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Posted: 3 years ago
#31

Demeaning women and making them as tools for their cruel desires is the latest development. No one gives a man a right to insult, hurt or demean any women.

Please take note of another vital point: India is a nation with many diverse traditions and customs, and each one has a unique definition of what constitutes a marriage.

Has Kanyadaan got Vedic sanction?

As far as my knowledge goes, there is no mention of kanyaadaan in the Vedas. But the Dharma Sastras and Sutras do mention ‘giving’ a kanya in marriage. But how this became ‘daana’ or gift, only god knows.

It is said that the bridegroom, who is the receiver, is treated as Mahavishnu. Naturally the bride has to be Mahalakshmi then. But who is competent to give ‘Mahalakshmi’ as a gift ?😊

Let us check this from Ramayan period--

Ramayana was composed in the post-Vedic period, which predates Puranic period.

The wedding of Sita and Sri Rama was mentioned in Bala Kanda.

इयं सीता मम सुता सहधर्मचरी तव || प्रतीच्छ चैनां भद्रं ते पाणिं गृह्णीष्व पाणिना |

"This is Sita, my daughter, take her wishfully, let safeness betide you, take her palm into your palm..."

पतिव्रता महभागा छायेवानुगता सदा || इत्युक्त्वा प्राक्षिपद्राजा मंत्रपूतं जलं तदा |

"She who is prosperous and husband-devout, will always be abiding you like your own shadow..." So saying that king Janaka then poured forth water into the palms of Rama, which is sanctified with hymns."

We can observe from the above slokas that it was no where mentioned kanyadan. King Janaka said that Sita will follow Sri Rama in all aspects -as सहधर्मचरी(Sahadharmacharini).

It was about panigrahan only, but not about Kanyadan .

Further, no mention of Vishnu or Mahalakshmi here. These customs may not be traced in Vedas, as they were not mentioned in Ramayana, a post-Vedic epic.

No other epic or purana, including Mahabharath, made any mention of it. The majority of the significant epic characters were married in accordance with the bride's wishes and intentions. Even though he is a powerful king, she used to determine who she wanted to marry instead of the male member. To win the bride's approval, the kings and valiant warriors must compete to demonstrate their mettle in front of the bride, the other royals, and the populace.

The only occasion which was glaringly visible in the Mahabharath was Bhishma bringing brides against their wishes to marry to his princes , and Amba returned as Shikhandi to defeat him during the Mahabharata War.

Such occurrences were extremely uncommon at that time. Everyone who committed crimes against women was subjected to severe punishment. Stree was never considered as daan, a Savior to the mankind.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#32

I think kanyadaan is good ritual if and only if the guy has good qualities like vishnu and also girl has good qualities like laxmi... These days guys and girls indulge in bad habits like smoking alcohol... They must abstain from such bad things and also should behave in right way and perform their duties at home and outside very well to set good example to society... That time truly kanyadaan will seem beautiful... When the guy will respect his wife and give her love and vice versa... Then even gods will shower their blessings on such couple... Mutual love and respect for each other as well as for each other's family and developing their own kids to be wonderful person in life... All this sum up together makes every ritual beautiful... Back in Satyug and tretayug also some people dwaparyug used to live beautiful life like this .. now its rare to find such people here in kalyug ... Following a right path is the only way. Kanyadan doesn't objectify a woman... In hinduism woman is maa shakti so women are always given respect... Its just that today's generation find wrong meaning in every ritual and tradition... They must watch ramayan uttar ramayan and Mahabharata to understand how great our ancestors were and how we can follow their path in modern world with modern blend.... Doing something which our soul wont accept is wrong .... Our inner self can guide us through this kalyug towards right direction.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#33

I stay away from religious topics , politics and all as people are very sensitive about it and I don't want to hurt anyone's feeling. I am not knowledgable enough to know if Kanyadaan is patriarchal or not and I get confused reading contrary info on the net. My view is that everyone should be allowed to have their weddings with the rituals they want. If a ritual makes the bride or bridegroom unhappy, they should have the right to remove it from their wedding.

My experience on the internet tells me that people are much more at ease in debating about Hindu rituals than rituals of other religions. I am relieved that Hinduism topics can be debated and want that freedom to continue forever but it also seems overwhelming and unfair at times since all religions have topics which could be debated upon in the modern times. So where does IF stand in this internet space? Topics on all religions debated equally or Hinduism debates more than other religious debates?

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Posted: 3 years ago
#34

Here is a case where Delhi Court said Kanyadaan is a sacred responsibility of the father.


https://www.etvbharat.com/english/national/bharat/divorce-not-excuse-for-father-to-ignore-marriage-expense-of-daughters-delhi-hc/na20220109171711619

Edited by devashree_h - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#35

Sometimes wonder why only Kanyadaan is a father's sacred responsibility. Why giving away the boy to the girl ("Putradaan"?) not a sacred responsibility of any parent?** Even in other religions like Christianity, no one walks the boy the altar towards the girl. Why is that? Also, if the ones getting married are consenting adults, why does any parent need to give away anyone? It was different in older times when girls were usually child brides.


Just some thoughts and questions about the topic, pondering on it more from the pov of societal construct and less from the religious perspective. I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the shlokas spoken during the ritual. And I have no intention to hurt any religious sentiment 🙏


So far, loving the discussion happening on the thread ❤



** I don't think there is any term like "Putradaan" in the sense I mean here. I am just creating a parallel for the sake of comparison.

Btw, if a new bride takes away her husband from his family, we all know how she will get blamed for separating the boy away from his family. But society is okay with a new husband taking his bride to his home. This reaction tells so much about the society we live in.

Edited by tournesol - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

Just for people wondering.. Mahabharat mentions Putra daan.


Also if anyone has heard the vows during Kanyadaan it mentions equal rights for both bride n groom..its a union of two people in order to perform their dharma.

That's why the word is Dharmapatni

Oh okay, I didn't know that Putradaan was an actual term and mentioned in MB. Is there any ritual assciated with Putradaan?

Edited by tournesol - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#37

Yes, in Hinduism, a child can be ritually adopted to carry forward the lineage.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: devashree_h

Yes, in Hinduism, a child can be ritually adopted to carry forward the lineage.

Got it!

Edited by tournesol - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: Snowfally

I stay away from religious topics , politics and all as people are very sensitive about it and I don't want to hurt anyone's feeling. I am not knowledgable enough to know if Kanyadaan is patriarchal or not and I get confused reading contrary info on the net. My view is that everyone should be allowed to have their weddings with the rituals they want. If a ritual makes the bride or bridegroom unhappy, they should have the right to remove it from their wedding.

My experience on the internet tells me that people are much more at ease in debating about Hindu rituals than rituals of other religions. I am relieved that Hinduism topics can be debated and want that freedom to continue forever but it also seems overwhelming and unfair at times since all religions have topics which could be debated upon in the modern times. So where does IF stand in this internet space? Topics on all religions debated equally or Hinduism debates more than other religious debates?



It is easier to comment and diss Hindus and Hindusim bcoz people don't go crazy over it and can survive even after saying the shittiest things about them.


People have no problem when the father walks the girl in other traditions but are always ready to raise their fingers on our religion and tradition.


People have no problem with white weddings, every modern and every woman wears white to their wedding of some religion.


But people come and give gyaan and talk about breaking stereotypes bcoz wearing red, maroon, pink, and yellow lehenga/saree is not modern and is their zanjeer for them even when they have more choices than others.


Most importantly a HINDU wedding can happen without Kanyadaan if someone has a problem should simply skip it, but raising questions on each and everything is something, I think needs to stop.

Also, it is said who does Kanyadaan is said to have done something really good that's why they got a chance to give the hand of their daughter for reunion of two souls.

It is said sacred bcoz in Hinduism, marriage is said to be a sacred bond between two souls and families.


It is nothing against anyone on this forum, just my views

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Posted: 3 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: sxursaep

I don't find anything wrong with the rasam. In our family we believe that in this rasam when father gives his responsibility to the groom, the bride accepts the Gotra of her new family and that's it. Some people have got their sentiments hurt because they over thought about the word "daan". Growing feminism has led to people suspecting each and every other ritual/beliefs but I feel people should come out of their mindset that everything but injustice is done to women always.😊

People have been misinterpreting what exactly feminism is

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