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Originally posted by: Krantikari

I mean…they consider Imlie1 a strong character merely because she was a ‘hothead’ and could knock a bunch of men down.😆 Compared to this, they think Imlie2’s femininity and grace makes her look ‘meek’, lol.😆 The fact that she was able to enter that club by convincing those bouncers calmly with her words without being aggressive or doing any flying kicks is supposed to be weak/meek?? Ok.😆 Since these people looove practicalities main yeh bata doon that in real life, people who shove their way through others aggressively being all ‘daredevil’/girl-boss, will be either punched in the face at worst or be dismissed as obnoxious at best.😆 No one takes such people seriously in real life. Diplomacy and tact >>> aggression, for both males and females.

The reason I think people are no longer capable of writing convincing character arcs is because no one has any character anymore. Sorry if this is harsh, but sadly I think it is true. Ideology has overtaken character-building because submitting yourself to an ideology is much easier than building real character/virtue. Cultivating real virtue takes years of hard work and demands sacrifice. Who’s really going to devote the time to that kind of endeavour when it’s much easier to live vicariously through girl-boss fictional characters who are instantly ‘strong’ and always right.😆 Ultimately, there is a deeper spiritual malaise at play here that is subverting femininity by depicting it as weak and shameful. It’s quite sad tbh, because I think the real strength of females lie in qualities totally opposite to the ones that are being projected as strong.

@bold1: LOL in real life, many such people will be kicked out of any place where they try to shove their way in and will be ostracized in general cuz no one wants to hang around violent people😆

@bold2: This is a very valid point, KK ji.....spiritual malaise it feels like indeed....something rotting at the core of society where as you said, building character seems like too much work to most people who would rather invoke ideologies in name only without putting any effort into actualizing them.

It's not just limited to subverting femininity....it's spread in all kinds of directions to subvert overall character - male or female....but yes it stands out on ITV especially with the way they try to depict femininity as weak unless the woman in question is shoving/shouting/slapping her way through life😆.....there don't seem to be any takers for a woman's actual emotional and mental strength. Physical strength isn't only depicted through bullying or brute force....there are many other ways to depict it.

OG Imlie was admirable for her physical strength cuz it complimented her emotional and mental strength....but over time they eroded her emotional IQ and just rendered her this hollow puppet doing token fights and flying kicks.....makers don't get that it doesn't need to be an either/or situation....lol

Yeh cheeni character bhi layered ha 😂

Is word se chirr ha kea ha na aur koe bhi layered ttha 😆

Originally posted by: Krantikari

I mean…they consider Imlie1 a strong character merely because she was a ‘hothead’ and could knock a bunch of men down.😆 Compared to this, they think Imlie2’s femininity and grace makes her look ‘meek’, lol.😆 The fact that she was able to enter that club by convincing those bouncers calmly with her words without being aggressive or doing any flying kicks is supposed to be weak/meek?? Ok.😆 Since these people looove practicalities main yeh bata doon that in real life, people who shove their way through others aggressively being all ‘daredevil’/girl-boss, will be either punched in the face at worst or be dismissed as obnoxious at best.😆 No one takes such people seriously in real life. Diplomacy and tact >>> aggression, for both males and females.

The reason I think people are no longer capable of writing convincing character arcs is because no one has any character anymore. Sorry if this is harsh, but sadly I think it is true. Ideology has overtaken character-building because submitting yourself to an ideology is much easier than building real character/virtue. Cultivating real virtue takes years of hard work and demands sacrifice. Who’s really going to devote the time to that kind of endeavour when it’s much easier to live vicariously through girl-boss fictional characters who are instantly ‘strong’ and always right.😆 Ultimately, there is a deeper spiritual malaise at play here that is subverting femininity by depicting it as weak and shameful. It’s quite sad tbh, because I think the real strength of females lie in qualities totally opposite to the ones that are being projected as strong.

Very well said Krantiji! 👏 Dissing of Imlie2.0 is directly proportional to their trauma of loosing their ghonchus. Yeah it is not helping that screenplay is quite lackluster as of now...but this particular FD will try their best to pull Imlie 2.0 down for obvious reasons. I will not be surprised if they start to promote Manmeet who is gonna very soon be competing in this time slot! She is toh literal girl boss only!

Imlie 1.0 was not a brat when it all started. She had some very strong virtues, she had a certain emotional strength...hell that is why Adi even fell in love with her...But the way that entire script became a mess for the kweeen and later for their Janiya bhagwan- just diluted that entire character arc of Imlie 1.0...they were literally copying dialogues off Tooter! It became that obvious on how they were pandering a certain section of FD! The way she bossed around Adi in Bhaskar Times after she walked out was just incoherent and irrational...But no that was Jee fireeee for these folks! I wonder in real life if these teenagers are going about their school/college corridors with "ayegiri nandini" jo jab dekho jee fireee karte rehte hain....addhe time toh sab tooter pe hi hote hain....zamana kya sudharenge...😆

If only ITV attempted to and kept at it- to make a show wholesome, to have some definite character arcs. Yes a FL can be bratish- but she ain't no girl boss when is trying to show her prowess to people who are older than her. Like you said, the first thing they will get is- thappad or get out! 😆

Yes she can be demure, but no she cannot always get through the wild world being all diplomatic and coy- point in case Vidhi from Na umra ki seema...

Point being, wish ITV shifts their paradigm a bit to give FL characters a chance to grow and not just be stuck with some "pyari bacchi" or "je fireeee" ...sigh a wishful thinking na...

https://twitter.com/andiopine/status/1572595860558745601?t=iihS_imG2zbhgzYx0n0SkQ&s=19

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL don't worry, she will take a break and come back with 10 POUNDS OF MAKEUP wala koi look to prove how "grown up" she is😆.

Studies? ST ko pata bhi hai woh kya hoti hain? 😲🤣......Brilliant friend Fammy se thoda free ho paayengi kya to study? 😆

And wow what is this? Not even 1 million views on this video yet? 😲.....I was told that this is the BIGGEST FD EVER....main toh subah uthte hi minimum 10M views expect kar rahi thi😆

I have absolutely no patience or tolerance to watch that video...Looks like its been called "CUTEST" in every realm of entertainment! 😆

Originally posted by: Whatever765

If only ITV attempted to and kept at it- to make a show wholesome, to have some definite character arcs. Yes a FL can be bratish- but she ain't no girl boss when is trying to show her prowess to people who are older than her. Like you said, the first thing they will get is- thappad or get out! 😆

Yes she can be demure, but no she cannot always get through the wild world being all diplomatic and coy- point in case Vidhi from Na umra ki seema...

Point being, wish ITV shifts their paradigm a bit to give FL characters a chance to grow and not just be stuck with some "pyari bacchi" or "je fireeee" ...sigh a wishful thinking na...

Eeek I still cringe when I remember those comments like ‘pyaari bacchi’ and ‘je phireee’.😵 Characters who have a growth arc are so rare in ITV, isn’t it? In fact, I don’t think I’ve seen a single FL with growth arc, yet. Seen a few MLs with growth arcs though. Like you said, there is this strange polarity with the FLs’ characterisations that they are either innocent to a fault or total girl boss. There’s no in-between or room for growth.😆

However much we want such characters, I think it is a tall order for ITV to create them cuz there are too many limitations, like channel interference and the TRP system for example. There’s also the fact that the audience may not be ready for such complex female characters. Right now, I’d honestly be happy if they could just maintain some consistency in the characters and not change them overnight, cowering to social media crowd pressures.😆

Show hovers between two extremes showing choti imlie as a girl so innocent and sanskaari that usne dimaag use karke ye bhi nahi pucha ki kisi wajah se police waale use thaane leke aaye. The older extremes were showing og imlie as an ott character as the show progressed. Looks like people writing reasonably true to life characters are reserved for the web shows. Post leap track is mediocre at best.

Originally posted by: wizardofoz2

Show hovers between two extremes showing choti imlie as a girl so innocent and sanskaari that usne dimaag use karke ye bhi nahi pucha ki kisi wajah se police waale use thaane leke aaye. The older extremes were showing og imlie as an ott character as the show progressed. Looks like people writing reasonably true to life characters are reserved for the web shows. Post leap track is mediocre at best.

Give it some time wiz 😆. It's only 3 episodes. Maybe they'll disclose why imlie is like this? I mean why she's scared of mob and all 😆. She lived in a village than had to live in a city where her confidence took a hit because she was not able to enter some hotshot school. Later had to live alone without parents and with a grandmother that hated her.

Cheeni on the other hand saw many things at a little age that made her street smart . Imlie led a simple life without even a small disturbance and was mostly alone that's why she's not used to lot of people and remain in her own world. And who knows maybe she had asked the police that why they arrested her but they ignoredher? That's why she was writing the poem 😳?

Baki we definitely cannot compare tv with Web ....atleast For 10 more years 🤣

Originally posted by: Whatever765

I wonder in real life if these teenagers are going about their school/college corridors with "ayegiri nandini" jo jab dekho jee fireee karte rehte hain....addhe time toh sab tooter pe hi hote hain....zamana kya sudharenge...😆

LOL aise cartoons don't have the guts to open their mouths in real life....bas phone screen ke peechhe hi inke par nikle hote hain.....kisi ke saamne muh kholne ke guts hote real life mein toh 2-3 thappad khaa chuke hote abhi tak and wahin nikal jaati saari "je phireee"😆

Zamana sudhaarne mein interest bhi kisko hai jab saari morchebaazi begins and ends on Twitter only for them😆

Originally posted by: Whatever765

I have absolutely no patience or tolerance to watch that video...Looks like its been called "CUTEST" in every realm of entertainment! 😆

LOL the fandom that was all about JE PHIREEEE now has to make do with CUTE as the description of a music video of their "hawtesstt" Sumaaaan?😆

Cute is literally the most tepid description you can come up with for a project that they are otherwise trying to hype through reels😆