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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2371806/can-channels-take-responsibility-fans-calls-out-kaisi-teri-khudgarzi-for-romanticising-abuse

Where have they justified or normalised his behaviour Thats what one sentence in the article says 🤡

Originally posted by: XshopaholicX

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2371806/can-channels-take-responsibility-fans-calls-out-kaisi-teri-khudgarzi-for-romanticising-abuse

Where have they justified or normalised his behaviour Thats what one sentence in the article says 🤡

I agree with the article though and I am glad to read that there are at least some viewers who are calling it out on social media. from the beginning, I have been confused about the point and tone of the drama. it is unclear if shamsher is supposed to be the romantic hero or abuser. when I read the comments on youtube after the episode airs, I am shocked at how majority of the comments see this as a love story. they blame mehak for not understanding and trusting him. 🤔

there are hardly any comments that point out how problematic his behaviour is. would any sane woman be happy if a guy runs after you and takes away your choices? that isn't romantic in any form. instead, there are tons of viewers who are sympathetic towards shamsher and see him as misunderstood. that is what the article is leaning into.

I feel many viewers are getting mesmerized by danish acting and his good looks and ignoring the larger picture. they are not separating the character from the actor. so rather than meaningful discussions on harassment, power of the rich etc, we are seeing viewers swooning over shamsher and his mohabbat. they think it is cute that he forced her to marry him.

especially when you have news where women are abused, viewing this drama can creep you out. if they wanted to show a twisted love story that has no basis in real life, then the tone needed to convey that to viewrs. instead, there is a sense of reality as well as this is all entertaining and don't take it seriously vibe -- that is confusing. am actually confused on how to respond to each episode. so I just watch from a distance. part of the reason I keep tuning is to see how this story will turn out.

Originally posted by: XshopaholicX

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For Shamsher, mehak is a complete contrast to his very evil world. Maybe unconsciously he wants to hang on to her and get away from this. He has told that he doesn't like the doghlapan of this house and he doesn't like babasaab and his ways. He doesn't really care about his very rich lifestyle, he was ready to leave it for Mehak. The family members still think mehak is only a zidd for him. But this time its different, thats where they have got it all wrong. He does feel that they dont really understand the real him and the mohabbat he has for Mehak.

Will Shamsher get redeemed? If yes, to what extent is the question. I think the upcoming track is gonna focus on that. Dilawar will probably throw these two out of the house or Shamsher gets to know that Babasaab was the one behind Mehak's accident and leaves with her. These two will go away and try to build their life from scratch cuz obviously shamsher no longer has the name and support on which he so far led his life. This means he will be exposed to the world and its struggles especially that of a common man and what all they go through at the hands of the powerful and influential. I hope his redemption comes along those lines. Shamsher should go through whatever he himself has done with Mehak and her fam and be in the same or similar position to understand their plight. At the same time dilwar will be making sure to make their life hell so that he gets forced into leaving Mehak. Dilawar may at the same time be plotting something big against Mehak time and again, and Shamsher will realise that he is responsible for all of this and the life that has become for her. He cannot even protect or provide her with anything basic. The realisation will come around then. Its the journey of hardships that he will face as a common man and what ever baba saab is doing to eliminate Mehak from his life that will bring about a change in him. But yes, i think he will fight back for Mehak against baba saab with all that he has. I hope its gonna be an epic showdown. It would be a treat to watch Danish and naumaan Ejaz in something like that. We have already seen hints of the father and son blowing hot and cold with each other. Anyway, This is just an assumption based on the curent circumstances and how the story has proceeded till now. Lets see, how the makers have planned. It all boils down to the execution.

(sorry for cutting your post but just wanted to respond to above points)

meant to respond to this yesterday but was busy --

as a viewer, am not sure what shamsher means by his mohabbat. he is not interested in hearing her thoughts, her views or cares about her feelings. he expects her to be like a doll that responds back "I love you" when he says it. but what does he really want? it is clear that he has no understanding of love, of relationships or of people.

so I think it is important that if shamsher is to be redeemed, the writers need to acknowledge that his behaviour is not acceptable and problematic. there has to be consequences to actions. we are seeing articles that point out the dangers of this drama and I am glad to see that. I watch a lot of true crime dramas and so I don't find shamsher romantic in any form at all.

when I see shamsher, I wonder at what point will he cross that boundary from emotional bullying to the kind of physically and emotionally abusive monsters. shamsher threatened to kill mehak's family members -- that is how he got her to marry him. they are walking on eggshells around him because they don't know what other crazy antics he will come up with. mehak does not even know whether she can visit the hospital when her father is so serious.

there does not seem too many steps that separate him from such abusive people in real life. that is why I find this drama creepy because it is unclear if the writers are indicating that shamsher's actions are acceptable because 'all is far when it comes to love'. there are viewers who think of him as a romantic misunderstood young man and find his mohabat for mehak sweet. they don't see how it plays out in the real world.

one way I can see shamsher being redeemed is to go down a religious route like it happens in many dramas. but again the tone of the drama confuses me and so am unclear if we will see that happen.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I agree with the article though and I am glad to read that there are at least some viewers who are calling it out on social media. from the beginning, I have been confused about the point and tone of the drama. it is unclear if shamsher is supposed to be the romantic hero or abuser. when I read the comments on youtube after the episode airs, I am shocked at how majority of the comments see this as a love story. they blame mehak for not understanding and trusting him. 🤔

there are hardly any comments that point out how problematic his behaviour is. would any sane woman be happy if a guy runs after you and takes away your choices? that isn't romantic in any form. instead, there are tons of viewers who are sympathetic towards shamsher and see him as misunderstood. that is what the article is leaning into.

I feel many viewers are getting mesmerized by danish acting and his good looks and ignoring the larger picture. they are not separating the character from the actor. so rather than meaningful discussions on harassment, power of the rich etc, we are seeing viewers swooning over shamsher and his mohabbat. they think it is cute that he forced her to marry him.

especially when you have news where women are abused, viewing this drama can creep you out. if they wanted to show a twisted love story that has no basis in real life, then the tone needed to convey that to viewrs. instead, there is a sense of reality as well as this is all entertaining and don't take it seriously vibe -- that is confusing. am actually confused on how to respond to each episode. so I just watch from a distance. part of the reason I keep tuning is to see how this story will turn out.

The article is fine. But i was asking about that one sentence in particular that they have made.. "the show has justified Shamsher's acts". If we look back at all the 15 episodes so far, where have the makers "justified" it? He has been out and out villain from the word go. Done one thing after the other, which is criminal. Woh khud ko villain bolta hai. His family members also see him as a menace. Mehak and fam have been running away from him and time and again crying and saying what their lives have become and called him a darinda. Mehak has made her feelings of hatred, anger and disgust clear to him with whatever conversation she has had with him and even said how she will never be a partner/wife to him.. Shamsher ke saath as such kuch achha hote hue nai dikhaya hai or like as if he has been rewarded for any of it . Is all this not enough to say that he is a villain. Its time audience shows some sense. Aur kitna spoon feed karna hai in logo ko that shamsher is a villain. Why are they so heavily dependent on black and white story telling. Anyway, coming back to shamhser, Toh Aisa kaunsa uska scene hai that has justified him and his actions? That is all I'm asking...

As a viewer, Shamsher according to me is a villain based on whatever his actions have been and the story line so far. He is irredeemable at this point. Im looking forward to see him go through the same shit if not atleast similar, that he put mehak and her fam in. So that he understands exactly what he did. He should go through his share of punishment in the scheme of things. And that journey will lead him to the path of redemption. I want to see how they execute it, both the writer and the director and how convincingly they pull it off. They both have left a lot of loopholes in story telling, so thats one thing that makes me question how well will they execute the upcoming big tracks 1) Shamsher Redemption (2) Shamsher and Mehak's equation and where they stand in each other's life as the story proceeds.. Till now whatever we have watched, the first 15 episodes has been the premise itself basically. Shamsher falling for her and forcibly making her a part of his life. Now what we will see next is .. Shamsher and his realisation of what all wrong stuff that he has done. How he repents it? Does he go through the share of punishment? Etc.. lets see how they execute this.. that part of the story telling is yet to start .. until then how can one say shamsher or his actions have been justified? And why is it being written off that aisa kuch makers ne already kardiya hai. If they fail to execute all this, yes they should be called out, but let that part of the story first play out atleast to come to any conclusion.

Since its a massy show, They have all types of people as their audience. All age groups and from all demographics. You will see all types of comments. Some senseless and Some intellectual. Some are just watching for fun. Some are watching with great concern. Some are thrashing it. Some find it entertaining, fun and frivolous watch and will forget it soon after and then just tune in next week. Some watch it as guilty pleasure.

You will find all types of discussion on this show on every platform. Take a look at the reviewers. AK buzz decided to not review it since day 1. SH does both, call out the show's toxic stuff if they feel so and at the same time not take it seriously and have fun watching it as well. Fuchia watches it to call out the wrong stuff. They all have a different stand. On twitter you see serious discussion on the show. On youtube its obviously different, spamming, fangirling, with comments of concern as well but yes in small number. Youtube is not exactly the place where it will have serious discussion in the comment section asa far as shows are concerned. Thats twitter. Insta has all type of posts, thrashing, roasting, fangirling.. every thing..

Also, all those comments in favour of shamsher or against mehak is just cuz of the actor and the lines get blurred for them. If it was someone less popular or an average looking person playing shamsher 1) the show wouldn't even be popular and people of this scale wouldn't be watching it, it would just be another average show 2) the same people would have only disgusting comments for shamsher.. Majority knows this and doesn't take the show seriously and just watch it have fun and make comments and move on... For this type of audience no matter what shamsher does eventually they want to see him redeemed and would like a ending based on that. So its not exactly about how the makers are executing it, whether they are getting that bit right or wrong. Its the audience thats losing focus.

we can agree to disagree on this but the show has been very unclear on what exactly they are trying to convey or what their point is. that means I am not at all clear if the writer thinks shamsher's actions are acceptable. as a viewer, I have strong feelings on shamsher but from the view of story, what is the writer and director trying to convey? I honestly don't know. that is a problem.

if I understood that they are clearly showing shamsher as a negative character, I would know for sure that he is not going to get the girl and neither is she going to fall in love with him. the tone and the writing does not convey that. instead there is an ambiguity where it seems we are fed some love story or maybe not. we really don't know how it will play out.

in the promo, we have mehak's mom actually say "maybe he is not so bad" -- why? because he paid the hospital bills? because he is getting mad when others talk bad about her and make them apologize. it sounds like they are trying to whitewash shamsher as a lover boy who really does care about her -- that would make it seem like his bullying and harassing alright because he 'loves' her.

so given the news, people are reacting very strongly -- can understand their perspective. this isn't the first story where I have seen obsessive lovers but in those dramas/movies, they make it clear from the start that this is not right and the obsessive lover is not getting a happy ending. here, it is unclear because we don't see shamsher even having doubts what he is doing. and neither is his family.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

we can agree to disagree on this but the show has been very unclear on what exactly they are trying to convey or what their point is. that means I am not at all clear if the writer thinks shamsher's actions are acceptable. as a viewer, I have strong feelings on shamsher but from the view of story, what is the writer and director trying to convey? I honestly don't know. that is a problem.

if I understood that they are clearly showing shamsher as a negative character, I would know for sure that he is not going to get the girl and neither is she going to fall in love with him. the tone and the writing does not convey that. instead there is an ambiguity where it seems we are fed some love story or maybe not. we really don't know how it will play out.

in the promo, we have mehak's mom actually say "maybe he is not so bad" -- why? because he paid the hospital bills? because he is getting mad when others talk bad about her and make them apologize. it sounds like they are trying to whitewash shamsher as a lover boy who really does care about her -- that would make it seem like his bullying and harassing alright because he 'loves' her.

so given the news, people are reacting very strongly -- can understand their perspective. this isn't the first story where I have seen obsessive lovers but in those dramas/movies, they make it clear from the start that this is not right and the obsessive lover is not getting a happy ending. here, it is unclear because we don't see shamsher even having doubts what he is doing. and neither is his family.

For me, Shamsher's behaviour, the tone and his actions have been that of a villain itself till now. And so far even story wise i have never felt like they have made it acceptable at a any point. Shamsher can say as many dialogues as he wants about mohabbat. But still i only sense a lot of selfishness, delusion and zabardasti. In his head he thinks he is doing nothing wrong. Thats his twisted character. For me, its clear he is wrong. The vibe i get is that, He is getting all he wants right now, cuz soon khudrath is gonna start his down fall and it will be so bad that it will be beyond his control and he will realise everything and repent it. And from the very first scene, i have always felt that this boy is gonna be doomed. Something like yeh iske khud ke story mein villain hai but jab yeh isko yeh baat samajh aayegi it will be too late. So i see a bad ending for him. And dont see a fairytale.

Other than Shamsher.. Dilawar, farwa and sophia are the other villains in the story. That leaves Dara, Mummy and shahmeer. Shahmeer has time and again been telling him that mehak doesn't love him and he should not force this on her. Why cant he approach her with love and respect instead forcing her. He went and told the entire story to mummy and said that he hasn't seen anyone else suffer this much at the hands of friend, Shamsher. Mummyji too knows both baap bete have done zyadati on mehak and her fam. Dara too was like we have to be cautious when mehak was allegedly dead, cuz shamhser could go and do thod phod in mehak's house and in the recent episode he was like he needs to change his behaviour towards mehak and said that all the stuff that shamsher has been thinking about her .. she too must be thinking the same about him.. cuz he knows baap beta have made her life hell and she has been caught between these two. The characters around shamsher know for a fact that he has crossed boundaries and given a lot of trouble to them. Only when the redemption track starts and when Shamsher starts to get reality checks and receives truth bombs .. we will see shamsher having doubts about his actions.. until then why and how will that happen.

About Mehak's mother saying stuff like that, is one problem i have with the writer. He adds dialogues for characters unnecessarily which practically based on their personality and circumstances, that particular character wont actually be saying. He does that for sansani probably. Mehak's mother should be the last person saying it even if he paid the bills. Ek toh its cuz of him and his family that her husband ended up in this situation. The way i see it is, Shamsher after all the trouble this guy has given them, better atleast do this much. Yeh uska farz hai. If he did not do it sau baar aur laanat hai us pe. Cuz he himself said he would take care of her family toh ab apni promise bhi puri kare. So his one act of kindness doesn't mean anything. Cuz it has nothing to do with what he has done all this while with them and doesn't make him realise and repent yet. So its not the start of his redemption, rather its just that, this guy has the potential for some sense to get knocked into him. Shamsher in the early epsiodes too made it clear to his family to talk about mehak with izzat when there was a showdown going on in the house that he wanted to marry her but the family was opposing him. So him not tolerating what the lady spoke at the boutique or what sophia will do in the next episode or what dilawar tells him and he goes in her defence is not something new. Even when Farwa came to him one last time to tell him to not get married to Mehak, he was like she insulted you, fine, take this glass and pour it over me to get even.. so that side of Shamsher has always been there. Where he will side her and take the insult on her behalf.

The thing is we dont know how much of reality Radain has stuck to and what bits he has added to get twists and turns to make the story engaging for masses. Radain has kept the tone of the show along the lines of "ab next kya hoga" on purpose for entertainment and to keep the audience engaged with that. Its the packaging of the show, masala genre hai. And they have kept it very filmy. Otherwise its all pretty clear.

Cast and crew have said that they have kept the ending close to what happened. Aamna isani a few weeks back tweeted that she has hopes from a responsible writer Like radain to be responsible with the ending of the show. To which Radain, the writer replied 'inshallah'...

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

(sorry for cutting your post but just wanted to respond to above points)

meant to respond to this yesterday but was busy --

as a viewer, am not sure what shamsher means by his mohabbat. he is not interested in hearing her thoughts, her views or cares about her feelings. he expects her to be like a doll that responds back "I love you" when he says it. but what does he really want? it is clear that he has no understanding of love, of relationships or of people.

so I think it is important that if shamsher is to be redeemed, the writers need to acknowledge that his behaviour is not acceptable and problematic. there has to be consequences to actions. we are seeing articles that point out the dangers of this drama and I am glad to see that. I watch a lot of true crime dramas and so I don't find shamsher romantic in any form at all.

when I see shamsher, I wonder at what point will he cross that boundary from emotional bullying to the kind of physically and emotionally abusive monsters. shamsher threatened to kill mehak's family members -- that is how he got her to marry him. they are walking on eggshells around him because they don't know what other crazy antics he will come up with. mehak does not even know whether she can visit the hospital when her father is so serious.

there does not seem too many steps that separate him from such abusive people in real life. that is why I find this drama creepy because it is unclear if the writers are indicating that shamsher's actions are acceptable because 'all is far when it comes to love'. there are viewers who think of him as a romantic misunderstood young man and find his mohabat for mehak sweet. they don't see how it plays out in the real world.

one way I can see shamsher being redeemed is to go down a religious route like it happens in many dramas. but again the tone of the drama confuses me and so am unclear if we will see that happen.

So just waiting to see how it all unfolds, before i can make any conclusions. The execution of this track has to be practical and good. Its gonna be a make or break for the makers. I feel majority of pak drama makers cant really handle a subject like this well. So im keeping my expectations low. And as a viewer just intrigued to see what lies ahead for Shamsher and what his journey is gonna be like in the redemption phase.

Regarding the last para. I think being religious or not is something different. Just because some one is religious doesn't mean they will be good or just cuz some one is not religious it doesn't mean they will be bad. Yes religion does teach one good and bad. No doubt. But it doesn't necessarily coincide. What Shamsher needs first is some reality check and professional help. Circumstances that he will go through and what mehak will go through cuz of him will make him realise that khudrath usko sabkh sikha rahi hai and that its all a result of all his past actions. For me the vibe of the show has only been tragic from day one, and i feel it will only get more tragic from here on. So i feel there will be a lot of truth bombs and serious reality check hitting Shamsher soon. I guess his down fall will start now. He has got all that he wanted, that is, Mehak. Now he will understand what happens when you get someone forcefully into your life and how by doing that you will become the biggest villain of their life. He thought Mehak ko bas uske life main aajana hai baaki kuch nai hoga. This is where he went wrong, cuz it all actually begins here. He has a lot of people already against him who will do anything to destroy his peace. Mehak herself would wanna get away from him. And the biggest of all, Karma will come and bite him.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Chl-gxGD8_u/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

https://www.instagram.com/p/ChmVbjetWZP/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

https://thebrownidentity.com/kaisi-teri-khudgarzi-episode-13-does-shamsher-deserve-any-sort-of-retribution/

This article is close to how i perceive the show.. Its pretty much the same stuff we have been discussing. Do check it out.

And whatever views i have put out in the discussion is only till what has gone on air till the 15th episode. Waiting to see how it all unfolds next .. and my views will be based on that, on what they have in store and how they execute it.