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Posted: 3 years ago
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First off, kudos to Sherry, Sadhika, 404, Purple (sorry dont know your names)

I wanted to weigh in on your analysis about the story but that thread has got too cluttered.


All of you had in one way or another talked about Ego and Insecurity and it reminded me this analysis of mine.

The analysis on page 1 was written around 5 months back and at the end of Shruti track. From what I remember, V had not woken up and his behaviour towards Sai was yet to be seen in the show.

Do read the post first to see where I am coming from.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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I agree to all of you in your interpretations of the story.

It is a unique story and situation indeed right from the day they got married in unusual circumstances.

As I mentioned in the comment on Page 1, I still see it as a conflict with the ego vs insecurity. At any given point in their relationship this has been an underlying issue but it was never addressed properly... it only surfaces once in a while but is brushed off or is let go, due to one of the either buckling down or some another circumstance (like V getting shot) that makes such a conversation redundant for the time being.


We were all waiting for a heart to heart conversation post Shruti track, but the makers made it seem like Sai is at fault. Then the remarriage happened and yet again without any respite, the drama started right from the 7th phera.

The makers seem to have this weird itch to not give any good moments for SaiRat and just constantly thrust them into situations one after another. That they manage to come back together every time is a testament to their dedication to each other and their need/desperation to be with each other even much before the confession.


That said, I believe V is badly written character. He takes beating and butchering for the sake of drama at the cost of other characters. There is no consistency in his character if we go looking for minor details but overall there is a common behavioral pattern.


V is invested in Sai... totally and quite early on. There have been many discussions on this and while he did give that godforsaken vaada, it was his emotional moment. And while he was lenient to P for various reasons, he never sort of betrayed Sai till this surrogacy track.

V is a MAN who has grown up in an orthodox family which looks progressive from the outside but has regressive core values. V must have seen this with the behavior of Ninad towards Ashwini but the 'realization' only hit him when it concerned Sai.

So she in a way, opened his eyes to the various issues plaguing the house and while he did support her in the initial days, the constant tussle between the family and Sai also peeled layers of his character.

His internal struggle to find a middle ground for Sai and CNwasis was a task in itself.

Contrast this to P, who presented a soft spoken demeanor, talked mildly and satisfied his ego by agreeing to everything he said. I feel now that one of the reasons he is still soft towards P is because subconsciously he feels emboldened by her constant support to him and his activities.

She has her ulterior motive for it but for a MAN who has grown in a setting like CN, who has been given most importance for being a male heir (Samrat is not accorded that value even though he is elder than V... on the outside it seems he is loved but when it comes to basics, Sam and MB are outsiders).

To such a man, a woman, like P who is well liked by everyone is (to put it crudely) offering herself... "jaise rakhoge vaise reh lungi", it satisfies his male ego unknowingly. And at the other end, Sai has been holding herself back from this. She has her reasons and insecurities in doing that.

But this, and I will always credit V for this... he did not waver from Sai on this aspect, even waited till his consent post remarriage.


Sai on the other hand, was insecure initially and that is understandable because of the constant presence of P and their unclear equation. I do think Sai was assured of it by the end of MiMo that V doesn't have any feelings for P, rather she realized he has for her. The timing of the Shruti track is also important in a sense that she went after him with all her might. I have said this multiple times in the past, when she has realized she loves him and has been told many times that he does too, when he is the only legal and official relative left for her, why should she sacrifice it and give it away to someone who was always waiting? She rightfully fought for what is her own and got it. She got abused and punished for the crimes she did not commit and I had said this then too... she herself had not realized how badly she was treated. Sai at that point was in a delirium and she ignored it.


The surrogacy track is where the situation flipped and the insecurities or the issues brushed off under the carpet came glaringly out.

Sai who had ignored most of it, still accepted it in the hope of having a baby of her own. As she compared the rishta with Aaba, she hoped for a one true bond with her child. As a righteous person, Sai should have filed a case against everyone the day the implantation happened. But she was emotionally manipulated in this.

And that gave a massive ego boost to V. He knew he was wrong but when Sai accepted it, he started making mistakes one after another, not realizing the impact it was having on Sai.

Like Sadhika had mentioned in a conversation previously, V like Rono wanted to have a child with her so that she can be tied up to him permanently.

But his behavior to her, inspite of those reassurances was bordering on cruelty, it broke all boundaries when he handed over Vinu to P even it was for a few days.

Sai who was aware of P's ulterior motives, lost it at that point.

She stopped being a wife and lover to V and instead became a mother. Her love for Vinu, her one and only blood relative overpowered her love for V.

Sai who became an orphan because of V, had another relative taken away from her by him. V did not understand this until she told him so much in clear words at the end of that fight.


I loved that fight. It might have started off with the usual CN drama and their need to push Sai in the corner, expecting her to behave like she usually did, accept it and move on. So did V.

But Sai who had endured so much and was on a different plane from all of them, was not ready to bow down this time.

I reflect on the last shot of that fight, where even though V asked her to leave in a fit of anger, he did not mean it. NB Ayesha aced that scene. To me the mind conversation went like "Ruk jao" and "rok lo".

Words... like Sherry said... "Read beyond the words"

His last glance has stayed with me. As if looking at the family and telling them "Look.. I gave her up because of you"

Hope I am not wrong in the days to come.


This separation in that sense was long overdue.

They needed to vent, which they did during the fight. It might have started off because of P but it turned into a clash between husband and wife. P, BK and everyone else was redundant by the end of it.

It ended though as a fight between a mother and a husband. Clearly, the husband lost.


This time though, there is an added attachment of children. These two who were so much in love and still are, would not be able to separate with the kids in picture.

V had thought about kids with Sai long back and much before than her (in mimo track and going by the skewed timeline of ghum, it was around 2nd year of college). Sai had her realization much later.

V had stressed this to Sai that he wanted their child and not adopted. (which is also why the surrogacy track happened).

So now, with so much water under the bridge, the issues are out in open, there is potential for them for come back together. This time because they want it and it is not forced by anyone. The kids are an added bonus.


But its high time that the issues find a logical and sensible resolution.

The fight ended with the issues out in open. But it seems like the conflict is still simmering because there has been no balm over it.

The meet this time would be explosive and hopefully not nasty.


I do not think V will misunderstand her or question her character but he will be upset at her for hiding the fact that she is alive. Sai needs to explain her POV this time tactfully and crudely coz that is how V understands.

I hope he does and the insecurities are finally addressed before they embark on a new journey.

The ego needs to be cast aside and the issues pacified openly and honestly.


In all this, I have not touched upon P as the third angle post leap.

One is I would like to comment on that post her entry in the show and what the dynamics are.

Secondly, she has stopped mattering in their relationship directly but her presence will keep on creating issues between them. It remains to be seen how these two deal with this now with a much saner and calmer mind.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Moor , you have hit the nail and have analyzed Sairat relationship after confession to the T . I am with you when you talk about how ego and insecurity played a role in their separation.


One thing that caught my attention was how you mentioned Pakhi being soft spoken as compared to Sai who had a sharp tongue boasting Virat’s ego . Virat did like this nature of Pakhi in the beginning of the show and that’s why he wanted Pakhi to help Sai adjust in the house . If we remember the Sairat reception scene , one can see the difference in the way Pakhi and Sai reacted . Sai didn’t think about the people around her and started questioning Bk causing embarrassment to the family while Pakhi sounded sensible when she wanted to talk about this later when the guest leave . Virat was impressed by Pakhi and I guess that was last time he saw her as mature . Very early on Virat realized it was all pretense . The bitter side of Pakhi was glaringly visible when she taunted Sai and him if things didn’t go her way . Her dialogue of “I will live the life the way you want me to “ had no effect on Virat . He seemed rather irritated with her crying in the cafe . His reaction to not reveal stuffs to Sai is misinterpreted by many . It was not because he wanted to protect Pakhi but it was due to his fight with Sai . She had rejected him and called their relationship as “deal” so he was trying to show how deal marriage works . Sorry I think I am jumping into something else now .


I considered Pakhi dumb until surrogacy track for siding with BK going against Virat and Sai . If she was smart enough she would have sided with Virat and could have created an illusion of unconditional support from her side to her so called “best friend “ . Had she done that Virat would be tangled with her for longer even if he fell in love with Sai . Pakhi did a favor on Virat else he wasn’t smart enough to realize the trap .


Pakhi in surrogacy track started her pretense again and was smart enough to make Virat believe her side of story instead of her usual way of taunting Virat or Sai . She played her game well and it makes me sad to say she won in the end . She successfully created the situation for Sairat to part ways and exposed the cracks in their relationship . For this reason I feel Pakhi’s matters a lot in Sairat relationship. She has mastered the tactics of emotionally blackmailing Virat without him realizing it . It can happen post leap too after Sairat patch up . When VP relationship will be revealed post leap I believe it would be much stronger even if it’s a platonic relationship than pre leap and she would have a stronger hold on him . I feel unless she lets go off Virat he cannot untangle himself from her . If she strikes back he will fall into her trap again .

This 5 yrs of separation has weakened Sairat relationship to great extent and Sai lost her position in Virat’s life . If Vinu is adopted and Pakhi has raised himthen Pakhi has tangled Virat in one of her web for life . Sai cannot help Virat get out of the mess and in turn can get sucked into it . They are at the mercy of Pakhi and even if they prove Vinu to be biological kid Pakhi might play a bigger role in Vinu’s life . My first prediction post leap was how Virat will be bound by Vaada to Pakhi this time and though Sairat might clear the misunderstanding they cannot get back due to Pakhi’s presence in their life .

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Glad you liked it.

Thank you seeing it the way I saw it.


I have skipped too many points since it was getting too long. I digressed way too many times and had to rewrite. 🤪

The initial request of V towards P in making Sai dress up and asking Sai to behave like her was that.

I guess he also came from a point that because everyone likes P, if Sai behaves like P, then maybe they will start liking her too and the situations could be handled better.


I agree, P would not be inconsequential to them. With surrogacy, she has been tied to them forever. I do have a theory on this, which I can post here now, since I know it will be received without bias and exaggeration 😉


It goes like this:

P will have changed for the time being because even though Vinu was adopted, she showered love on him as a regret at what all has happened because of her.

Vinu knows he is adopted but calls her Maa because she gives him that love.

Then Sai enters and P suddenly feels threatened. She might feel Vinu slipping away from her. Or the kid himself in his innocence compare her to Sai and prefer Sai.

Also at this point Saavi is the proper heir, so Sai has given CNwasis what they always wanted.

Lekin P ka badla hua roop sabne dekha hai... Especially CN wasis who anyway had a soft corner for her.

So if P goes back to her nasty self after Sai's arrival, it would be once again the same situation. Them pitted against one another, this time for a child.

It will be interesting to see how V reacts in all this. Will he too believe P has changed? Or will he support Sai wholeheartedly. For the drama to continue and because Vanku likes butchering V... He might go back to his flippant behaviour as well.

And then at a high point again, the revelation that Vinu was their kid after all will come in play.


As for the parentage of Vinu, I feel they will extend it as much as possible. Vanku has a trump card in hand. Like someone predicted in the other thread, the kids may gel initially and later they may fight over their set of parents. V will be torn 🤣

And if they are planning another leap then Vinu ki parentage will be dealt in that leap, as adult Saavi-Vinu conflict that has simmered over the years.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Moor278

Glad you liked it.

Thank you seeing it the way I saw it.


I have skipped too many points since it was getting too long. I digressed way too many times and had to rewrite. 🤪

The initial request of V towards P in making Sai dress up and asking Sai to behave like her was that.

I guess he also came from a point that because everyone likes P, if Sai behaves like P, then maybe they will start liking her too and the situations could be handled better.


I agree, P would not be inconsequential to them. With surrogacy, she has been tied to them forever. I do have a theory on this, which I can post here now, since I know it will be received without bias and exaggeration 😉


It goes like this:

P will have changed for the time being because even though Vinu was adopted, she showered love on him as a regret at what all has happened because of her.

Vinu knows he is adopted but calls her Maa because she gives him that love.

Then Sai enters and P suddenly feels threatened. She might feel Vinu slipping away from her. Or the kid himself in his innocence compare her to Sai and prefer Sai.

Also at this point Saavi is the proper heir, so Sai has given CNwasis what they always wanted.

Lekin P ka badla hua roop sabne dekha hai... Especially CN wasis who anyway had a soft corner for her.

So if P goes back to her nasty self after Sai's arrival, it would be once again the same situation. Them pitted against one another, this time for a child.

It will be interesting to see how V reacts in all this. Will he too believe P has changed? Or will he support Sai wholeheartedly. For the drama to continue and because Vanku likes butchering V... He might go back to his flippant behaviour as well.

And then at a high point again, the revelation that Vinu was their kid after all will come in play.


As for the parentage of Vinu, I feel they will extend it as much as possible. Vanku has a trump card in hand. Like someone predicted in the other thread, the kids may gel initially and later they may fight over their set of parents. V will be torn 🤣

And if they are planning another leap then Vinu ki parentage will be dealt in that leap, as adult Saavi-Vinu conflict that has simmered over the years.

I was thinking of on the same lines . Like many said the real test of Pakhi is when she will lose her importance in CN with Sai’s entry . I believe not just the kid but she might lose Virat’s companionship too which will push her to edges .

On second thoughts , I feel the story is same as YHM story where ML was sandwiched because of his two biological kids preferring their respective moms and he kept flipping . I feel Vankar will not copy this . He might surprise or shock us with something unexpected 😆. I feel this week’s TRPs will determine the future tracks . If Sairat and kids can maintain the TRP then future tracks will be around them .

If Pakhi turns negative again they cannot show other than what’s already shown . When the truth will be revealed Pakhi has to make a exit from CN and Sairat lives putting an end to her character. If they keep her back in CN then it’s the same track of bail .I feel they keep her grey where she won’t conspire against Sairat but circumstances will lead to Sai Vs Pakhi with Virat flipping from one side to another 😆 . They are going in circles . There is a shift in the way Virat is written now so we won’t see a strong Virat who once took a stance against his family for the things he believed in .

This is also another reason why I feel Virakhi won’t be married . If he marries her then eventually he need to divorce her to get back to Sai marking the exit of Pakhi’s character from the CN . So Vankar will find something to keep Pakhi as permanent character in the show till the end . Unless they plan to have two couples Virakhi and Sai with other guy or generation leap .

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Yes...

Maybe not directly... but P and Sai will be at loggerheads...

Thats a bigger love/hate story than SaiRat 🤣🤣


YHM does look probable but V is not like Raman. Whatever he was, there was never any doubt that Raman will go back to Shagun, yaha pe you know how Virakhi conspiracies work.


Virakhi marriage will not happen for another reason.

If Vanku plans to keep SaiRat endgame, then they cannot show them married, because looking at the dynamics CN has... nobody would ask them or let them divorce.

With P as fab bahu and now married to adarsh beta, why would BK let them divorce?

So if SaiRat is endgame, which looks more than ever with two kids... I dont think that is going to happen.


New ML sirf FF main aayega 😉

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Moor278

Yes...

Maybe not directly... but P and Sai will be at loggerheads...

Thats a bigger love/hate story than SaiRat 🤣🤣

let them be at each other’s throat provided they keep Virat busy with some mission . I can’t see the same storyline where he keeps switching sides .


YHM does look probable but V is not like Raman. Whatever he was, there was never any doubt that Raman will go back to Shagun, yaha pe you know how Virakhi conspiracies work.

Till the time I watched YHM , Raman was a big disappointment . I remember him dancing with his ex to teach her a lesson while his wife kept looking at him with embarrassment , celebrating anniversary with his ex , selecting Shagun to do pooja instead of Ishtita , getting intimate with his wife to get some signatures without her knowledge . I see a lot of similarities between Raman and Virat post MB blackmail episode . Thankfully I stopped watching the show for my sanity as I couldn’t bear Raman . His addiction to alcohol, crude jokes and his arrogance made it worse . I guess the only ML I haven’t supported in the shows I have watched is Raman 😆 hope Virat 2.0 doesn’t get added to it 😆


Virakhi marriage will not happen for another reason.

If Vanku plans to keep SaiRat endgame, then they cannot show them married, because looking at the dynamics CN has... nobody would ask them or let them divorce.

With P as fab bahu and now married to adarsh beta, why would BK let them divorce? If Virakhi are married only way for Sairat to get back is if Pakhi turns into a hardcore criminal again or she has change of heart and let’s go off Virat . I go back to my original theory of Pakhi playing a significant role in SaiRat’s union .

So if SaiRat is endgame, which looks more than ever with two kids... I dont think that is going to happen.


New ML sirf FF main aayega 😉

I had a strong feel that new ML and here are my reasons

Testing waters : The way he is made to flip every few hours gives me a feeling that they are testing waters to see if he can be turned into a antagonist and pave way for the new male lead . Otherwise I see no reason that he was shown sensitive during godh Bharai and in next moment a ruthless jerk who snatches a kid from its mother . He is shown supporting Sai when Pakhi gets arrested and regretting falling into his ex’s trap but next moment goes against his wife to bail out the same women and all ready to fall into her trap again . No sane person can flip like this unless he has some serious mental issue . All this separation, PL coming in between could have been done without killing Virat but they chose that route. If they want to turn him into a negative character then should do it with conviction . Let them trust their vision . If they want him to show as good husband then don’t butcher him without any room for redemption.
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Posted: 3 years ago
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They already have 2 kids .. he won’t turn negative .. this is not Anupama .. that story was a different story .. Sai does not a need a man to empower her ..

she’s equal to 100.. she always had confidence in spades ..

This story will revolve around the 2 kids bringing the parents together and gradually move to generation leap


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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: msin

They already have 2 kids .. he won’t turn negative .. this is not Anupama .. that story was a different story .. Sai does not a need a man to empower her ..

she’s equal to 100.. she always had confidence in spades .. only stupid and illiterate folks find faults in her ..


This story will revolve around the 2 kids bringing the parents together and gradually move to generation leap


Let’s hope so but I am yet to find a logical reason for so many flips . let’s agree to disagree on the fact that Sai is not flawed . I will still say Sai is flawed like any other normal human being even if I am considered stupid 😳 .

No matter how strong FL is there is a need for ML to bring in the romance in the story . FL and ML are the wheels of the show and if one of them is missing then there is no balance .

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: msin

They already have 2 kids .. he won’t turn negative .. this is not Anupama .. that story was a different story .. Sai does not a need a man to empower her ..

she’s equal to 100.. she always had confidence in spades .. only stupid and illiterate folks find faults in her ..


This story will revolve around the 2 kids bringing the parents together and gradually move to generation leap



msin I respect your views generally but name-calling was highly unnecessary, people must be open to their own views good or bad. You can't call someone stupid or illiterate just because they have a different POV.


Generation Leap would mean, mostly Ayesha or Neil quitting the show. Honestly speaking, I don't see this show lasting that long - this show doesn't have the depth & Vankar is no EK maiyya, to develop half meaningful characters - if the actors don't age at all, just like the same technology exists even after the leaps 😆.

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