Ghum Hai Kisikey Pyaar Meiin Spoilers Thread #13 - Page 7

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Yeah...this happens with me too. While the track is going on, poor patches of writing or our own emotion/adrenaline whatever you want to call can affect the way you understand a scene/plot. When I re-watch old episodes, my understanding is better sometimes because I am able to look at it more objectively I guess.

The main thing that used to piss me off in Shruti track was their unnecessary physical contact when it's not needed atleast from Virat's side in those hospital scenes. After Shruti got discharged they stopped showing Virat initiating having physical contact with Shruti from his end tho. Like I couldn't take it when it used happen with Pakhi.

Waise what do you think of my above post. Do share!

IMO.. the whole Shruti track is a mishmash.

One moment he is concerned/worried about Sai and then completely indifferent.

I don't know whether to blame it on the actor, writer, director or the CD. I believe all of them are at fault. Didn't get the pulse of what KD wanted to convey but just copy pasting and not getting the context.

And personally I feel this is because of the timing and placement of the track in ghum.

KD main this happened quite late. They were in conjugal relationship. And in that sense his dialogues and his indifference looks plausible. Here it came after mimo where he had managed to convince Sai that Pakhi is persona non gratia. But hadn't confessed.

So his extreme hurt looks odd.

That said, with Shruti i didn't like the physical proximity. He could have still done everything by keeping distance. Giving her hand while getting into ambulance etc is fine but there is no need to do that in the hospital bed. That's where it feels weird. Like there's no difference between Sai and Shruti.

But to me... It was never an emotional one. I didn't get the feeling that he wanted or would have gone for EMA. He did all this for Sada and V is not that sort of person to betray a friend.

The breakdown in front of bappa is infact for Sai..even his dialogues point to that. He is surprised initially that she holds his hand, he has a flicker in his eyes as hope that probably she understood. She talks to him as a doctor and not as his wife. And then he breaks down. A little OTT but it was for Sai.

Although Sai cannot listen to it and only looks from a distance, so foe her it seems like it is for Shruti.

From what i remember, it is all about how she could have supported him if she knew the truth. So even he accepted partially that it is not her fault that she is behaving like this.

Off tangent but another point about V is his non reaction to the rape threat.

To me, he knew it was a hollow threat because he knows Sada from years and he knows that Sada won't do such a thing. Neither would he allow any of his comrades to do it. He knew Sada only kidnapped Sai because he wanted to get back to Shruti. Totally my opinion.

So unlike their old track record, the ZA drama was not stretched. BK agreed even if it was for V's sake.

Sai voiced what I spoke about yesterday. P and Ashwini's statements yesterday indirectly stated that V was gullible and could be easily manipulated and the guy has no brains of his own. Sai put that right back at Ashwini, who again proved she has no stand of her own. Moments before she walked up to V she was against the idea, but she agreed only for her son. She is ready to do anything to get his apology. But what triggered it was Sai's question to her if she doubted her son's intelligence. This woman is degrading every day. How does she claim to know and understand her son? And what is she apologising for when she still doesn't trust him?

I really wish Karishma develops some courage. She is young and is tagging along with BK and gang unable to enjoy life as per her age. While she is pulled into the politics due to the pressure and her own desperation to remain relevant and good books, she too craves to enjoy life the way others of her age do.

P was called out by BK in the end to join. But it somewhere appeared how she was standing alone on the other side when the family had become one. Thats precisely what should happen to her. When is she getting her dues for all the venom she keeps spitting. Not one proper bashing for her immoral tongue.

Sai is on track, changing gears at the right time. She knows when and which lever to pull. The fire incident gave her the assurance that V still cared for her and now she changes her strategy based on it. She clearly knows how to get V around. Till the time she runs around him for apology he will keep acting pricey, so she decided to stop doing that and instead make him follow her. Good going girl! It was cute how she questions and counter questions and he gets caught in his own web of fake denials. And when he does with no comeback arguments, he walks off without a proper response. He is back to being grumpy, but its clear that is faking it. He is fighting with himself to stay that way when he in his heart is getting pulled towards Sai. This one is more bearable. How he gives in to her blackmailing, forcing her to study was too cute. His care and concern is surfacing, and he is not too cautious to hide it even if he doesnt acknowledge it.

Precap - So does she handcuff them after dinner? Will we have the signature food romance?

Agree 100% with everything you have written moor278

I could not take the Shruthi track seriously becuase it was patchy and full of loopholes. Starting with the timing. The surmise of the plot is that Virat got hurt and disillusioned with his best friend because his best friend believed he fell in love with and married someone - it is as silly as that.

They wanted to show Virat traumatized due to killing his own friend...but such a traumatized person is more likely to break down when his wife is suspecting him..rather than agreeing to a divorce in a jiffy. So too many logical plot holes.

This track in its essence was not bad - if they had written & executed it well.....and actually put a little more effort...even to pull off a typical ITV plot...but Vanku's ideas are beyond me.

There was definitely difference in the way Virat was worried for Shruthi's operation and the way he was completely devastated at Sai's accident. That breakdown at the hospital was for Sai as well as his own emotional exhaustion as a consequence. I did not find it wrong at all. The cringey scenes are best forgotten. And Neil needs to bring more restraint/formality in his body language towards Pakhi & Shruthi...he has to absolutely correct it...it gives a different impression about the character.

Coming to Neil, yes, he has his limitations while portraying complex, mixed emotions. But I believe that his subdued reactions was a creative call by the makers...to show him at first traumatized, and then later on to show him disillusioned/disenchanted with relationships.....which would facilitate weeks of Virat 2 version - hurt, pathar dil, withdrawn. But the writing did not really support this narrative - it was all over the place. Nor did he seem to get any support from the creatives themselves. I generally give leeway to daily soap actors - its not everyone's cup of tea and everyone may not be able to adjust to crazy change in character/plot in a short time. He was getting slightly better towards the end of the track. Also, I think he himself was sick of the track. 😆

All this is totally my personal opinion only.

Originally posted by: Moor278

IMO.. the whole Shruti track is a mishmash.

One moment he is concerned/worried about Sai and then completely indifferent.

I don't know whether to blame it on the actor, writer, director or the CD. I believe all of them are at fault. Didn't get the pulse of what KD wanted to convey but just copy pasting and not getting the context.

And personally I feel this is because of the timing and placement of the track in ghum.

KD main this happened quite late. They were in conjugal relationship. And in that sense his dialogues and his indifference looks plausible. Here it came after mimo where he had managed to convince Sai that Pakhi is persona non gratia. But hadn't confessed.

So his extreme hurt looks odd.

That said, with Shruti i didn't like the physical proximity. He could have still done everything by keeping distance. Giving her hand while getting into ambulance etc is fine but there is no need to do that in the hospital bed. That's where it feels weird. Like there's no difference between Sai and Shruti.

But to me... It was never an emotional one. I didn't get the feeling that he wanted or would have gone for EMA. He did all this for Sada and V is not that sort of person to betray a friend.

The breakdown in front of bappa is infact for Sai..even his dialogues point to that. He is surprised initially that she holds his hand, he has a flicker in his eyes as hope that probably she understood. She talks to him as a doctor and not as his wife. And then he breaks down. A little OTT but it was for Sai.

Although Sai cannot listen to it and only looks from a distance, so foe her it seems like it is for Shruti.

From what i remember, it is all about how she could have supported him if she knew the truth. So even he accepted partially that it is not her fault that she is behaving like this.

Off tangent but another point about V is his non reaction to the rape threat.

To me, he knew it was a hollow threat because he knows Sada from years and he knows that Sada won't do such a thing. Neither would he allow any of his comrades to do it. He knew Sada only kidnapped Sai because he wanted to get back to Shruti. Totally my opinion.

Yeah. He had a dialogue on that too how can Sada think I'll do something like that knowingly how much I love my wife.

When did he accept that she's reacting based on what she's seeing? That's why I was surprised when I read that Virat blaming Sai from so early on unlike in KD initially until divorce I guess Ronno said the same. Here they gave they dialogue to Shruti instead of Virat god knows why.

There was a scene too right where he talks to Sahaas after birth. That scene was out of the place even if he was singing praises of Sai's to him. Like how is she even related to him plus there was another dialogue he says one day Sai will be proud of me seeing Sahaas. I was like wtf 😭😭😭

Yeah he was shown to be too casual with while touching Shruti which was weird unlike Pakhi whom he had sort of history with...

Originally posted by: mysticriver

The main thing that used to piss me off in Shruti track was their unnecessary physical contact when it's not needed atleast from Virat's side in those hospital scenes. After Shruti got discharged they stopped showing Virat initiating having physical contact with Shruti from his end tho. Like I couldn't take it when it used happen with Pakhi.

Waise what do you think of my above post. Do share!

Kaunsa wala post ?

I agree with you on the physical part...it drives me nuts too. Creatives are crazy..don't get their logic.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Kaunsa wala post ?

I agree with you on the physical part...it drives me nuts too. Creatives are crazy..don't get their logic.

They don't know subtlety. Also people got more frustrated with touchy scenes of theirs as there's social distancing between leads in the show. Touchy scenes between ML/3rd angles aren't uncommon, I've seen worse than this show but in those other shows leads have crazy intimacy so it kinda neutralize the whole thing that's not what happened here. That's why I've decided if this aspect doesn't change even with confession is around the corner, I'll sign off.

The long big post I wrote... I think you liked the post.

So I agree with Neerja that the stand alone scenes would only give an impression of SH being V's wife and all his desperation and worry was surrounding her. But what I feel is that it was a result of gap in understanding of the character and lack of synchronicity among the team. How it was written, read,, understood, directed and presented. It seems like a chinese whisper.

If I keep these dynamics aside I felt he was worried for SH from a responsibility and obligation level. He didn’t want to fail in fulfilling his promise, he was guilty of killing his friend and he didn’t want to fail him in his death. He was definitely concerned, but thats where it ended, nothing beyond. Yes he would go to any lengths to ensure that he kept his promise without realising the extent of collateral damage on the way. He was band at the management. This concern though played with his conscience constantly, but the fear of losing Sai made him desperate to find a way out of this soon. And hence the hope that he could resolve this soon. He couldn’t imagine to lose Sai at that stage. His fears of losing Sai and failing to fulfill his promise, concern for the well being of SH and her baby, pressure to protect them and inability to confide in anyone was mentally exhausting for him. He was unable to reveal the truth but he was seeking support ...only from Sai. V was heavily banking on Sai to lend him that shoulder to rest and cry on with a no explanations or clarifications. And that was where it all went wrong. He couldn’t come clean, nor was he able to explain it, or hide it. And Sai wasn't able to understand him, owing to their past. He was holding up on a lot of expectations and responsibilities on his shoulders but he was dealing with it. His hope was Sai. He was heavily dependent on her for emotional support. And her indifference and distrust broke him. Its like you desperately expect something from someone and that person doesnt deliver and deserts you. Problems can be faced if you are strong to take them on or you have someone you know can support while you go about dealing with it. But what breaks one down is when that support is denied. So it is not the problem or pressure that hurts one, but the person who left you in the time of need. In that hospital scene he was overwhelmed by his responsibilities and fears. He was still seeking out for Sai's presence by his side, her love and care. V would have floated through it if she was there beside him. He would have managed through it. Remember when he said she would have helped if she knew. He knew that she would find a way around with his problems. Where he went wrong was how would she solve a problem when she never knew what it was. It was only Sai he wanted and her failure to understand him and deserting him that led to his break down. Even when she came to know of Sahas, while he was concerned and his brain was making him seek help for SH's life, his heart was breaking at the possible impending doom of losing his love.

Originally posted by: mysticriver

They don't know subtlety. Also people got more frustrated with touchy scenes of theirs as there's social distancing between leads in the show. Touchy scenes between ML/3rd angles aren't uncommon, I've seen worse than this show but in those other shows leads have crazy intimacy so it kinda neutralize the whole thing that's not what happened here. That's why I've decided if this aspect doesn't change even with confession is around the corner, I'll sign off.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Agree 100% with everything you have written moor278

I could not take the Shruthi track seriously becuase it was patchy and full of loopholes. Starting with the timing. The surmise of the plot is that Virat got hurt and disillusioned with his best friend because his best friend believed he fell in love with and married someone - it is as silly as that.

They wanted to show Virat traumatized due to killing his own friend...but such a traumatized person is more likely to break down when his wife is suspecting him..rather than agreeing to a divorce in a jiffy. So too many logical plot holes.

This track in its essence was not bad - if they had written & executed it well.....and actually put a little more effort...even to pull off a typical ITV plot...but Vanku's ideas are beyond me.

There was definitely difference in the way Virat was worried for Shruthi's operation and the way he was completely devastated at Sai's accident. That breakdown at the hospital was for Sai as well as his own emotional exhaustion as a consequence. I did not find it wrong at all. The cringey scenes are best forgotten. And Neil needs to bring more restraint/formality in his body language towards Pakhi & Shruthi...he has to absolutely correct it...it gives a different impression about the character.

Coming to Neil, yes, he has his limitations while portraying complex, mixed emotions. But I believe that his subdued reactions was a creative call by the makers...to show him at first traumatized, and then later on to show him disillusioned/disenchanted with relationships.....which would facilitate weeks of Virat 2 version - hurt, pathar dil, withdrawn. But the writing did not really support this narrative - it was all over the place. Nor did he seem to get any support from the creatives themselves. I generally give leeway to daily soap actors - its not everyone's cup of tea and everyone may not be able to adjust to crazy change in character/plot in a short time. He was getting slightly better towards the end of the track. Also, I think he himself was sick of the track. 😆

All this is totally my personal opinion only.

I stopped watching the Shruti track because it made no sense whatsoever.

I was thinking about Neil. Everything else aside, seeing the few BTS that have come in ..a lot of shots of Sairat are being edited. Virat is a complicated character, I think he took it too lightly. Though he generally does what the director says ..is my feeling. They are not writing scenes intimate enough for a married couple.

Which is why when you asked me about the handcuffs, i really don't know...if they make it all playful, the whole point is lost. If it involves a different version of them chatting lying close to each other like in KD, they better show it well..

What I'm saying is I am not sure if Neil is entirely at fault. Though he has other issues😆.

Now his limitations as an actor, it became apparent during the Shruti track. He is getting his mojo because this current track is his comfort zone. I knew he will come back. But these limitations means the other horrid tracks coming up, we will be served with cringe & more cringe alongwith incomprehensible acting.