How many closeted LGBT people are there in Bollywood? - Page 7

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

What if I said to him being Muslim is wrong? I could give you a dozen arguments why (just like I can for any other religion).

Could he give me a coherent argument after?

What this twit in the video did to his victim is even worse. Religion is not a fixed feature. Homosexuality is. He questioned the man's right to exist. Very few will have the presence of mind after to debate.

for some reason I can't see the video ... can you repost the link again from youtube ?

Originally posted by: Blood_Sacrifice

for some reason I can't see the video ... can you repost the link again from youtube ?

I copied and pasted into address bar

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

https://youtu.be/wPR8dUCgoIM

Very good debate on incest and homosexuality... Do watch it guys when u get time

Very good debate??? He has basically repeated the same cliches that has been repeated time and again.

Also how about you make your own arguments? How about counter all the points I made? Copy pasting youtube videos in an effort to evade responding to arguments will not work.

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

A lot of people would definitely agree with you and hence do not follow Quran and have even left the faith and many still do not agree and stick to their faith.. Ultimately it's a human choice right? What is important is that just because I believ it's a sin that doesn't mean i will threaten some one who is a homosexual.. That is problematic...

Morality will always be subjective when it is by humans and changing times..

Today incest and paedophilia is a taboo...are you aware there are lobbies who want to decriminalize incest n paedophilia as well and their logic is the same.. Love is love...wait 20 years our children will fight for incest and pd rights the same way we do for LGBTQ

Society is all about accepting right..?. Then it should go the other way as well... Why should people who are sticking to their faith and not forcing their opinion be made to think otherwise.... I see this as hypocrisy from the liberals....

How are you even comparing homosexuality and pedophilia? Do you even realize how absurd your comparison is? Pedophilia is SEXUAL ASSAULT. Homosexuality is between consenting adults. That's like saying men raping women is the same as men having sex with women.

THIS is the problem with religious people who believe homosexuality is a sin. They compare it with crimes such as pedophilia, bestiality and what not. And this in turn increases discrimination and violence against gay people. This is why it should never be accepted.

Hate can never be accepted. If I am a white racist and say, 'Black people are inferior, this is my view', will the society accept my views? NO. It should not.

Originally posted by: Blood_Sacrifice

Mahisa, I was raised in a religious household and have given up on my beliefs due to this very reason. But if someone is religious for whatever reason, that's their prerogative and right. We cannot infringe upon it just as they cannot infringe upon ours. And regardless of what actual religions may say, I do know queer Muslims as well as queer religious people, so it's not entirely impossible to intertwine them (even if it's not religiously valid, demographically there are queer religious people). Also let's not get into the petty issue of discussing religion here as a) it will lead to unnecessary fights, b) BS section is not for that (though I started it).

Being religious is a right. But spreading hate is not. Saying 'gay people are sinners' is hate speech. Just like saying 'Black people are all thieves' or 'Jews are a bad race' is hate speech. Can I say, 'I think Black people should all be jailed because they are all thieves. Please accept my views'. Should the society accept these views? NO.

People who think gays should be sent to hell are spreading hate against a group, like racists spread hate against other races.

I am glad you guys are finding incest and paedophilia disgusting which it is...

There are advocates who want to legalize incest if both the parties are legally adults...

And while in paedophilia it is being argued that it's a mental illness and they are born with it can't help it .. These advocates are comparing it with homosexuality and using the same arguments used by LGBTQ... And if we start getting into history then history will tell us that marriage between a minor and an adult was common and so was incest... These advocates are even quoting history.

I am not am advocate the latter nor do i believe homosexuality is same as them but there are people who believe... My issue is with the changing nature of morality that is not objective and where do we draw the line??.. Where do we stop when my freedom doesn't affect someone else and is there even a line

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Being religious is a right. But spreading hate is not. Saying 'gay people are sinners' is hate speech. Just like saying 'Black people are all thieves' or 'Jews are a bad race' is hate speech. Can I say, 'I think Black people should all be jailed because they are all thieves. Please accept my views'. Should the society accept these views? NO.

People who think gays should be sent to hell are spreading hate against a group, like racists spread hate against other races.

Madam kindly do not put words in my mouth.. When did I say all gays should go to hell?..

What's ur issue if someone is religious ... Am I putting a gun point to your face that believe me Ore else...

You really need to chill. .

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

I am glad you guys are finding incest and paedophilia disgusting which it is...

There are advocates who want to legalize incest if both the parties are legally adults...

And while in paedophilia it is being argued that it's a mental illness and they are born with it can't help it .. These advocates are comparing it with homosexuality and using the same arguments used by LGBTQ... And if we start getting into history then history will tell us that marriage between a minor and an adult was common and so was incest... These advocates are even quoting history.

I am not am advocate the latter nor do i believe homosexuality is same as them but there are people who believe... My issue is with the changing nature of morality that is not objective and where do we draw the line??.. Where do we stop when my freedom doesn't affect someone else and is there even a line

Like others have said. Consenting adults. That's the line. Don't think that's too difficult to understand?

Pedophilia doesn't involve consenting adults.

Incest is a matter of genetic health. Then the fellow in the video should go and ask some religious communities why they allow it. Because cousin marriage is incest in most modern societies.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Like others have said. Consenting adults. That's the line. Don't think that's too difficult to understand?

Pedophilia doesn't involve consenting adults.

Incest is a matter of genetic health. Then the fellow in the video should go and ask some religious communities why they allow it. Because cousin marriage is incest in most modern societies.

Yes cousin marriage is considered incest but is still practiced as many religions sanction it... For religious people their holy book is seen as objective as it is at is is...

Is there a proper guidance with people who are not into religion..

In USA there was a case where a teacher went to jail for having an affair with her student and later had a kid... When she got out of jail they married.. No one can do anything coz the kid is now an adult.. You see the problem? That kid properly was brainwashed but since now he is an adult it was ok for everybody

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

Yes cousin marriage is considered incest but is still practiced as many religions sanction it... For religious people their holy book is seen as objective as it is at is is...

Is there a proper guidance with people who are not into religion..

In USA there was a case where a teacher went to jail for having an affair with her student and later had a kid... When she got out of jail they married.. No one can do anything coz the kid is now an adult.. You see the problem? That kid properly was brainwashed but since now he is an adult it was ok for everybody

1. That is incorrect. The age of the perpetrator is what counts in trying as juvenile or adult.

Once again, consenting adults. Anything else is a crime. Easy and simple line to draw.

Those who don't want to see it will of course act confused.

2. So if holy book demands incest, then why are all these religious peeps het up about homosexuality? Also because of religion?

Now we come to the truth of the matter.

The objection to homosexuality has nothing to do with incest or pedophilia..

It's simply a matter of what religious text says.

In other words... control. Tyranny, dictatorship, slavery, that kind of thing by using the name of God in the most hypocritical and loathsome way possible.