what is acceptable? - Page 2

Originally posted by: Chir-Cute

and romance aside, have you noticed how retarded they made the ML look in the show? like even a child will be able to figure out Pakhi's intentions but not our ACP.... Things happen right in front of him but no, the guy is as clueless as can be...

Yes, ml makes no sense anymore. Previous episodes he seemed to be aware of the villain's intentions but today he seemed to be ignorant. The only conclusion I can deduce from this is that the entire team including the writers and director is not really involved in this show like us audience. They are just producing scenes for the sake of it. And actors are playing it out for the sake of it. This is indeed very sad. I wish this show would turn out like anupama. Fl centric. But I know that's too much too hope for. I do like some OS fanfiction that follows such story lines - fl centred. That is the best part of this forum. I hope people come up with more such stories.

Originally posted by: Potterhead3009

Irrespective of the bts happenings, I think people would still have a problem with the Devar-bhabhi scene. I personally don't give 2 hoots about what's happening off screen. The actors from the show that I follow on instagram are Ayesha and Yogi.

Coming to the whole Bhabhi dynamics, as a society, we view it as a moral wrong. Brother's wife is someone we equate with a mother. In fact the notion is so strong that the law in force itself prohibits marriages between two people who were once related to each other as Devar and Bhabhi.

So the show is clearly handling misplaced ideals when they're blatantly showing such scenes in the farce of a jilted lover trying to get her love back. I think the other two versions that ran, clearly drew a boundary between the relationship. A boundary that was well maintained all through the scenes.

But the directors and creative team together, in order to portray Patralekha as broken-hearted women are delivering scenes that would be morally and ethically wrong. A woman trying to sabotage the guy's relationship with his wife while being married to the guy's brother is not new to Indian TV. She might be in love with guy, she might even join hands with the brother to destroy him. Those are acceptable. Again boundaries maintained.

The blame here lies on the plot, the director and the way scenes are portrayed. Dynamics and relations off-screen have nothing to do with it. Maybe a little part of it also lies on the casting of Patralekha herself. What should've been a bold, vengeful woman that might have attracted audience turned out to be a messy, whiney character. What should have been an amazing attention-catching presence on screen, turned out to be a nuisance that we skip. . There have been instance of negative characters being hate-loved. So when the actor fails to deliver, plain hate takes birth.

Patralekha's expressions are OTT, constipated and border-line offensive. Her body-language is faulty. You'll find where the actor lacks if you see the scene of Sai and Patralekha walking next to each other in yesterday's episode.

As for the male lead, I guess since we have gotten used to the earnest persona that the actor portrays, we might not like a change. But does that mean he is irreplaceable and there's no one that can play it better? Absolutely no. There are multiple actors that could have pulled it off in a much better way. We know irreplaceable actors don't we? They play roles that cannot be imagined on anyone else. 10 years and a character and it's actor is still the most loved. So much that the show is loved internationally, still being re-run when in need by the channel. The character isn't the most loveable on paper. On screen, he's pure magic. Through all his hateful acts, he was loved. This was all before the rise of social media and actors being close to their fans.

This love stems from the way the character is handled. By the actor, director, script write, costume department, co-stars, PR and camera too, in a way. You see, where Ghum has failed.

Some shows are liked, some are loved. But some are idealised, they go down in history. They grow to a level that 10 years later, they still get published in well known media, not the gossip sites. Ghum unfortunately falls in the 'liked' category.

If there's one takeaway from the show that I'd like to flourish and grow leaps and bounds, that's Ayesha Singh. She's irreplaceable. You cannot imagine someone else in her place. That's how a character is played beyond bad costumes and direction. I like the actor playing Virat. He's good at it and he's got the acting chops. But he's forgettable. A new show after this, I don't see him having the same pull that a few famous actors we know. The least we speak about the others, the better.

The elder actors will go on to play elders.

Once the show ends, the future trajectory at least in my prediction is that Ayesha might shine. That young woman managed to pull off a week's worth of episodes without the male lead or the parallel female. That's talent. Talent that deserves stories and post, praising her to the moon. The fact that she doesn't share them is a personal choice, and in contrast to other actors in the show, something that I admire.

Neil, I hope gets roles after this. He's a good actor with a bad PR team from the show.

So much in sync with how I see it all .

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

So much in sync with how I see it all .

Great minds think alike😳(I'm not at all narcissistic, believe me)

Originally posted by: quest-or

I am not sure if I am violating forum rules with this question.

Would we as audience have been okay with all the bhabhi devar scene if the 'off-screen stuff' was not in the picture? I forgot about the actors and watched today's episode. And it was okay. I did not feel disgusted or anything. I think the problem is we subconsciously club the ml and villain together cause of their real life stuff.

Virat is dense, of course. Pp is, well, I am not sure what she is. Villlains do act like her, in most itv shows. I don't see this character as any different. Sai seems to have become mature but is still on fire.

But I do want a new ml. Or a new director. Cause romance scenes are mehh. Distant romance is good. But close up romance is a little juvenile. Here, as an audience, we are cheated. No question about that. Fl is on fire in all other scenes. Just the close up romance is an issue - maybe a better direction could help. Don't these people try for feedbacks?

Coming back to the question. Can someone try watching the show by disconnecting from off-screen drama, and give opinions? I'd really like to know.

To be frank...yes. I completely agree with your point. And if I am being honest, watching the show without knowing about the offscreen fiasco is much much different. When I started watching this show (it was during the Amay track) Virat and Pakhi were really close, so, as someone who immediately started shipping SaiRat and hated Pakhi, their scenes should have made me just as angry as they do now, right? But they didn't. I did feel like I would rather watch SaiRat scenes or that maybe I should skip Virakhi ones, but it was never as unbearable as it is now. But then, after I got to know about Neilwarya and the kinds of statements Aish gives in her interviews, a kind of repulsion developed in my mind. And even though I don't give a damn about their offscreen relation, I guess subconsciously I feel like everything that I am watching is done intentionally.

I don't know just how people might react to this post. They might get defensive, or might just not care that much, but I do feel like this entire thing that you wrote make sense with the majority of us.

Think about it this way. You are someone who is really chill and frank, and suddenly someone comes to you and tells you that they heard your friend telling someone that they are in love with you. Now, it might not be true or it might be, and you might be fine with people having feelings for you, but even then, the next time you will see that friend, you will automatically start acting different around them. You will try to notice their behaviour around you, start paying more attention to what they speak and even overthink their words. You might not actually have any problem or any issue with it but still you will do this. I guess what I am trying to say is that once a certain information enters our mind, it might not change our feelings regarding something but it does change the way we perceive those things.

Maybe the makers put these scenes intentionally, maybe they don't, but if we were watching this without knowing the relation between Neil and Aishwarya, we would just watch it and maybe feel bad for a moment and then forget about it the next moment. We won't associate it with anything, because then we wouldn't have any reason to give. We can't say that makers do it intentionally if there is no intention. We would just accept it as part of the story. But now there is a possible purpose, a might-be intention. And so it feels much worse, almost like a betrayal that they would put certain someone above viewer's demands. This is the same thing which happens when it is the case with storyline. We might still hate Ghum's storyline, but we loathe it when we come to know that the sole reason for them to show such plot is because they are copying KD and not showing any creativity.

I am not saying that this is wrong (in fact, it just shows that we are more aware), or that we still can't have an unbiased opinion. All I am saying that no matter how much we don't want to, our mind do get influenced by certain knowledges, especially when it is about something we are really attached to.

In the end, let me give you my own example. Yesterday when I got to know about the picking incident, I was totally fine with it. For me, it was completely understandable and not necessary at all. But when I started reading other people's views, and their points and it entered my mind that them showing such scenes might be because of Neil and Aishwarya's relation, the entire thought became unbearable for me. And I again went back to the 'I hate ghum makers' phase, which I was slowly (too slowly, that the show might end earlier) getting out of.

PS: I am sorry if I offended anyone.

Originally posted by: quest-or

I am not sure if I am violating forum rules with this question.

Would we as audience have been okay with all the bhabhi devar scene if the 'off-screen stuff' was not in the picture? I forgot about the actors and watched today's episode. And it was okay. I did not feel disgusted or anything. I think the problem is we subconsciously club the ml and villain together cause of their real life stuff.

Virat is dense, of course. Pp is, well, I am not sure what she is. Villlains do act like her, in most itv shows. I don't see this character as any different. Sai seems to have become mature but is still on fire.

But I do want a new ml. Or a new director. Cause romance scenes are mehh. Distant romance is good. But close up romance is a little juvenile. Here, as an audience, we are cheated. No question about that. Fl is on fire in all other scenes. Just the close up romance is an issue - maybe a better direction could help. Don't these people try for feedbacks?

Coming back to the question. Can someone try watching the show by disconnecting from off-screen drama, and give opinions? I'd really like to know.

You put it beautifully. Also how we like the characters also depends on so many situations in our life. It is hard to see the plot objectively. Especially with SM, we dont know where to draw the line between real and reel.

You know what I sometimes go back to KD to just get the feel of the characters as written by the original writer. They are not as endearing as Virat and Sai but they are very real and stay close to their character 😊.

The scene I think looked okay only because of the way it was shown. They had first shown Pakhi planning this, then Virat trying to give her a helping hand, and then asking her to atleast sit on the pavement or walk to the car and only when she started to act as if she was in pain he lifted her. This whole sequence made it look okay. I did expect that he will make her sit in a wheelchair chair eventually when he finds it and he did. Had he lifted Pakhi without them showing any of these and just looking at her injured, the fans would have just exploded 😂 and I think you also might have 😂.

As many in this thread have said, it has not got to do with the offscreen thing. I can see the scene as only Virat. We have been watching Virat and only Virat always in Neil in Ghum. We have been watching it for so long, like from the start of the show that the expectations from the character Virat is high and as it would be for any ML. Audience have always disliked Virat Pakhi scenes due to the history of the characters, their marital status, their relationship (Devar Bhabhi) and because of love for Sairat too.

Offscreen thing is spoken for the creativity that they add. Such kind of scenes are usually is shown in other shows but the scenes between the leads in the other shows are not compromised or messed up the way it is happening with Sairat scenes. Also, they usually say that it is a copy paste but such creativity is shown for Virat Pakhi scenes which makes a part of audience wonder or even conclude why this was added. Many Virat Pakhi scenes weren’t in the original but were in this and are still being added. I also know that they have added a lot of Sairat scenes which wasn’t in the originals and sometimes even feel some of Virat Pakhi scenes were added keeping certain things in mind, like to show more valid reason for Sai to feel insecure or jealous or possessive. It wasn’t this prominent in the original. Another reason they do is for drama quotient. They know where they stand now and want to drag as much as possible and such spicy drama elements they think can also fetch them trps. People probably get curious and want to know what’s happening, what would he have done or how would Sai react or if this would cause another issue between the two etc., They would have also wanted to show some progress and change in Sai to show that she has dealt with it calmly and in a more matured way. God knows what else they might add in future.

Anyway problem that fans have is because they can’t see Virat and Pakhi together due to all the factors that I have stated in the 2nd paragraph.

Very well said. Echo these sentiments

No words for direction

Yesterday's sairat hug and today's sakhi hug was ruined by direction team .They made sai and pakhi stand apart and hug by the way the recent sai samrat hug was well directed but I didn't liked it who will give such type of hug to another man in front of husband

My post is not bash virat or sai but the writing,editing and direction team is becoming worse now a days

Sometimes I feel the team is good but too lazy since they get trp but they got wake up call this week.

As someone mentioned actor playing virat is doing good job but ayesha is pulling the crowd towards the show without her no ghkkpm . It is visible in fmn ratings and she is face of the channel.

Originally posted by: quest-or

I am not sure if I am violating forum rules with this question.

Would we as audience have been okay with all the bhabhi devar scene if the 'off-screen stuff' was not in the picture? I forgot about the actors and watched today's episode. And it was okay. I did not feel disgusted or anything. I think the problem is we subconsciously club the ml and villain together cause of their real life stuff.

Virat is dense, of course. Pp is, well, I am not sure what she is. Villlains do act like her, in most itv shows. I don't see this character as any different. Sai seems to have become mature but is still on fire.

But I do want a new ml. Or a new director. Cause romance scenes are mehh. Distant romance is good. But close up romance is a little juvenile. Here, as an audience, we are cheated. No question about that. Fl is on fire in all other scenes. Just the close up romance is an issue - maybe a better direction could help. Don't these people try for feedbacks?

Coming back to the question. Can someone try watching the show by disconnecting from off-screen drama, and give opinions? I'd really like to know.

Koi kuch bhi kehle apne aap ko kitna bhi mahaan bata le ki its not about offscreen, we are just talking about the actors onscreen presence, chemistry, acting skill BUT....but....but..

Kadwa sach yahi hai ki all (including me) are affected by the fact that vamp and hero are actual couple in real life. We see sairat as our dream jodi and the fact that its didi who gets to go home with virat at the end bothers everyone.

Yes i know i know...many will jump with the joota chappal, sade tamatar and what not to hit me and give their "logical" explanation....par bhaiyya ..jo sach hai wo hai....aur ye ek psychological issue hai. Ye to already prove ho bhi chuka hai isse pehle kai serials mein jaha is tarah ke real life couple bane hain.

Didi vamp hai aur average actress hai uske karan usko napasand karne ke reasons hain....lekin jis tarah haath pair dhokar uske peechhe pada jaata hai usse to yahi sabhit hota hai ki wo sairat ke beech ka teesra angle hai isliye usse nafrat ki ja rahi...wo teesra angle jo actually mein hero ki life partner hai.....yahi sub consciously sabki jal rahi hai. Jab didi aur neil ka rishta official nahi tha tab didi par itne attacks nahi hote the lekin jaise hi dono ki engagement hui sabke sab chhad gaye un dono par aur ab unki har ek baat har ek harkat ko magnifying glass se dekhkar galtiya niklane ki koshish ki jati hai.

Didi fans ki beizzati karti hai...didi ye..didi wo.etc ye sab bhi first didi ne start nahi kiya tha....pehle to. Kuch crazy fans hi the jo ulte seedhe msg bhej rahe the didi ko....haan didi ne phir sabhi ko ek jaisa treat karna start kar diya....par kyu kisi ki personal life mein ghusna yaar.....aisi harkat karoge to ulte jawab toh milenge hi...aur abhi bhi kuch log ruke nahi hai.. .bewajah ki beizzati, bewajah ka gussa....chhote se scene mein bhi jabardasti actors ki personal life ghusana aur kuch aur hi matlab nikaal lena....ye sab abhi tak chalu hai. Aaj hi isi forum pe ek post mein aisa kiya gaya hai....kitni bhi warnings mil jaye lekin roz koi na koi post aisi hoti hi hai. Because positivity se jyada negativity mein chatkare hain....negative attracts.

Aur hota hai ye sab .....hum sairat crazy fans hain....kahi na kahi chubta hai dil mein...but sab limit mein hi rehna chahiye. Lekin logo ko samajh hi nahi aata ki limit kaha hain.

Aur isme bhi shayad mein akeli hoon jisne khullam khulla is baat ko accept kar liya baki sab so called "sophisticated logical" and "politically correct" answer dekar bas apni nafrat chhupate hain. Didi aur neil ki real life jodi se sabko problem hai...sabki jalti hai...bechare dono actors ko over judge karte hai har kisi cheez ke liye. Wahi agar ayesha aur neil ki jodi hoti to unke charan dhokar pee rahe hote sab.

Aur gazab baat to ye hai ki teeno actors mature hai unhe personal aur professional life ko alag alag rakhna aata hai. Wo teeno chill maarte hain bas fans hi apna bp badhaye ja rahe hain.

So yahi hai....kadwa sach...magar sach to yahi hai we as a fandom are judgemental, over bearing, borderline abusive and crazy.