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Posted: 4 years ago
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Beautiful beautiful analysis as always👏


I agree with every point you mentioned. One thing which stuck me is what if Sai expected something back if she fell in love , wouldn't he have reminded her of the deal. This is so true, infact he did reminded Sai about the deal and Vaada when they had fights in the past because of Pakhi, however it's a crime if Sai reminds him of the same Vaada which infact the foundation was laid by Virat himself. That is such an irony.


And Kaku I don't even want to talk about her conversation with Aai , it was sexist to the core and it sounded like Sai is some sexual object and she is there to fulfill the Ghar kaa raja betas sexual desires how ever long she is there. And surprise surprise aai agrees to everything she said and even thanks her for loving Virat and tells her she will talk to Sai 🤔. She didn't even raise the point of what will happen to Sai at the end of 5 years , how young she herself is and the most important she doesn't love Virat. Even if she does why should she consummate the marriage if she is not ready for it, not once Aai gave a thought to these questions.


Infact I thank the makers that they didn't make Sai fall in love first, else imagine what kind of hell she would have been through considering the hellish torture she went through inspite of the said man being in love with her 👎🏼.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Lakshmi, a nice thought provoking post as always. Agree with whatever you said about role reversal. I am 100% on it that if Sai should move on, Virat should not have a problem. And I also think, NOW, he will not stop her. Please dont have prejudice that I am a Virat supporter just because I like his character. :) So here are my reasons.


Virat's post anniversary response is something that has to be looked at differently. It is not about his love there, the blame was directly on his character that he was two timing. With all the he has done to control her and show his rights on her, which I condemn equivocally, it is his inability to prove himself to her that pushed him that far. For all that I know of Virat, he will not say he loves her directly(Sai wants that). He has his reasons for it. One thing is definitely his love for her that he will not force her by declaring his feelings. I dont know why it is so obvious to me but not to many people. He knows Sai will accept him if he says he loves her and wants this marriage. He doesnt want that. He is trying his best to show in his own ways (which is not enough for Sai) that he loves her. Why Sai cannot see it, also has valid reasons. But that phase where he got abusive over her post anniversary has nothing to do with his ego or self centered ness. He did get selfish for a while by placing his hurt above his basic duties towards Sai. That hurt of his needs sympathy, but not his actions which arose from it.


Coming to double standards, yes he was taken over by extreme jealousy at Ajinkya. He regreted it. His insecurities festered for a long time and took ugly shape. But now, if Sai choses someone will he stop her? I dont think so. He has already said in a monologue that he is ready to be his friend. He is not even forcing her to come to his room. Choice is clearly hers. If on Kaku's demand she had to move, he is ready to distance himself. I am 100% sure he will not bind her now.


In short, at this point of time if Sai choses a different path, he will give up. What he does to himself, is something that depends on his emotional state which is very volatile and also his mental strength to come out of it and get going.


Coming to the precap, if it happens (not as dream) I condemn it and I dont support Virat for his help to injured Pakhi. As I mentioned in the EDT, he is now in a very delicate position with his wife. If he does it knowing that there are chances Sai is around, then it is a big mistake and he will not have any valid reason to explain if Sai questions his actions. This time it should be considered a mistake, a terrible one. And he will face the consequences. For once for his own benefit, he should chose himself over his duty. :P


Coming to Kaku, I dont even consider her thoughts as they are not progressive or fair. The way she said Sai has to 'do' something for her husband shows how she thinks wife and husband are unequal in sharing conjugal bliss. As Neerja rightly pointed out, even Sai is missing out on him. We as audience know that she loves him and wants to have a normal marital relationship with him, subconsciously, so she is also denied of same things that Virat is denied. So if Kaku has that kind of mindset, we should not even discuss about her demands and rules set for female folks in the house.


I would like to add a bit on Samrat here, because there was lot of discussion about his approach towards Pakhi. I dont think he did anything wrong in 'trying' to approach Pakhi. He is trying his best to move on and make this marriage work. So what is wrong in checking if she is ok with closing the distance between them. Someone has to test the waters no? If he had proceeded with the act when she is uncomfortable then it is a mistake. Also Pakhi herself told multiple times she wants to work on the marriage. So why are we judging him? If we reverse roles here and Pakhi 'fakes' to come closer to Samrat, is that OK?. Thats why intentions, intentions are important. I felt so bad to see Samrat being bashed for 'trying' to take the first step. Wanted to add it here, so someone could try to correct my understanding if I am wrong.

Edited by sadiltl - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: laksh

@bold exactly. This is exactly what she wanted to do. She just wanted to tie down Sai with responsibilities. All that she saw or heard was Virat saying he and Sai are friends and they do things together when Pakhi taunted him. Kaku couldn’t take it. She just couldn’t tolerate things changing in her house and a man from her house is including his wife in all his decisions going against her. Friendship was the first thing that she thought has to be put an end to since Virat started to act understanding and agree with Sai when they both were acting as friends. Kaku wanted to show Sai her place by calling her bahu, by making Virat treat her as wife like how he used to where he would adhere to the rules of the house without challenging much. She has just then heard how Ashwini and Ninad’s relationship had gone for a toss when Ashwini had to take care of things at home, family and kid. I only felt that Kaku wanted to put Sai in that same position so that she gets busy and so that her equation with Virat gets strained and not so casual as how they were when they are friends. She wanted Sai to get busy with her task and Virat to act like a man like Ninad, who would keep Sai under him, not with him.

I do agree that they need to figure out what they want but if Virat never fell in love with Sai, he wouldn’t be this restless or anxious. In a way, it had become favourable to Virat too but would have been nice if Kaku or someone had given both of them this kind of a push or anything else which would make them ponder about their deal marriage and how their future was going to be after all this ends. It is looking one sided now since Virat has already fallen in love with Sai and also because he wants her. Kaku now believes that they have to be together for Virat’s welfare and so Sai can’t be kicked out, then why not tie her with some responsibilities.


The last statement, I guess Virat has kind of looked at Sai as an equal and not as a guardian or provider during this friendship phase and that is why may be he has become more considerate abd understanding and will also think and accept that it is okay even if she likes someone else and wants to walk out. Had they got into this friendship mode right after her birthday or something, it would have helped both of them.

You are right.. Though I don't want to get into deep analysis for scenario that is never played out.. I can't just visualise😂🙈..thats my inability..

I would like to add that how traumatic it might have been for someone who just survived a brain injury is being burdened with such responsibilities.. It was so crass and extremely inhuman.. No one pointed out that except Virat though he didn't have that command in his voice..Not a single person thought this girl has been gone through a lots since the past one year.. Her world crashed down after her father's death and then the marriage has given her immense mental harassment along with two fatal accidents..

If Virat didn't love Sai still they would have to walk the same path.. I have seen people who spend a loveless marriage for years and have kids.. Sai truly respects the institution of marriage but also very honest...in contrast Virat has high sense of duty..If virat didn't love Sai the whole scenerio would be more favourable for Sai than Virat.. She could have easily walk out of the marriage.. It's Virat immense care led her to Virat more and more.. Hence she can't decide what to feel and how to react having p* in the picture..

Virat is testing the fruits of his own mistakes.. No wonder he is more hurt than Sai.. He gave promise to his wife not to expect anything from him since he is committed to someone else and he made it worse by uttering those words during wedding vows..

Now coming to your possible scenarios ..Virat is more practical than Sai and very selfish.Sai is his wife and he loves the fact to be called her husband.. What he feels for Sai is quite natural for any man.. He would never love anyone but her given p* or anyone else in the picture.. That is how I see Virat..

They have been always in equilibrium.. Though I agree that he realised it after being friends with her.. He is really not enjoying the friendship phase totally.. Virat is just giving himself another chance to work on his marriage.. If he sees there is nothing then he will distant himself and rightly so.. What's the point of those proxmities which only gives more pain..

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaome

You are right.. Though I don't want to get into deep analysis for scenario that is never played out.. I can't just visualise😂🙈..thats my inability..

I would like to add that how traumatic it might have been for someone who just survived a brain injury is being burdened with such responsibilities.. It was so crass and extremely inhuman.. No one pointed out that except Virat though he didn't have that command in his voice..Not a single person thought this girl has been gone through a lots since the past one year.. Her world crashed down after her father's death and then the marriage has given her immense mental harassment along with two fatal accidents..

If Virat didn't love Sai still they would have to walk the same path.. I have seen people who spend a loveless marriage for years and have kids.. Sai truly respects the institution of marriage but also very honest...in contrast Virat has high sense of duty..If virat didn't love Sai the whole scenerio would be more favourable for Sai than Virat.. She could have easily walk out of the marriage.. It's Virat immense care led her to Virat more and more.. Hence she can't decide what to feel and how to react having p* in the picture..

Virat is testing the fruits of his own mistakes.. No wonder he is more hurt than Sai.. He gave promise to his wife not to expect anything from him since he is committed to someone else and he made it worse by uttering those words during wedding vows..

Now coming to your possible scenarios ..Virat is more practical than Sai and very selfish.Sai is his wife and he loves the fact to be called her husband.. What he feels for Sai is quite natural for any man.. He would never love anyone but her given p* or anyone else in the picture.. That is how I see Virat..

They have been always in equilibrium.. Though I agree that he realised it after being friends with her.. He is really not enjoying the friendship phase totally.. Virat is just giving himself another chance to work on his marriage.. If he sees there is nothing then he will distant himself and rightly so.. What's the point of those proxmities which only gives more pain..


@BOLD

Yes I too see this as you pointed out.


@Purple

Yes I wanted to point out that his outbursts for being jealousy and possessiveness also springs from being a man. Being territorial and all. And looking at how his feelings are Sai will be his love forever...not sure what he will do if cant get this work. As I posted in my previous post, he could be a sanyas and lead a life as just IPS or go crazy like devdas..depends on whether his emotions or mental strength that take over him.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: sadiltl

Lakshmi, a nice thought provoking post as always. Agree with whatever you said about role reversal. I am 100% on it that if Sai should move on, Virat should not have a problem. And I also think, NOW, he will not stop her. Please dont have prejudice that I am a Virat supporter just because I like his character. :) So here are my reasons.


Virat's post anniversary response is something that has to be looked at differently. It is not about his love there, the blame was directly on his character that he was two timing. With all the he has done to control her and show his rights on her, which I condemn equivocally, it is his inability to prove himself to her that pushed him that far. For all that I know of Virat, he will not say he loves her directly(Sai wants that). He has his reasons for it. One thing is definitely his love for her that he will not force her by declaring his feelings. I dont know why it is so obvious to me but not to many people. He knows Sai will accept him if he says he loves her and wants this marriage. He doesnt want that. He is trying his best to show in his own ways (which is not enough for Sai) that he loves her. Why Sai cannot see it, also has valid reasons. But that phase where he got abusive over her post anniversary has nothing to do with his ego or self centered ness. He did get selfish for a while by placing his hurt above his basic duties towards Sai. That hurt of his needs sympathy, but not his actions which arose from it.


Coming to double standards, yes he was taken over by extreme jealousy at Ajinkya. He regreted it. His insecurities festered for a long time and took ugly shape. But now, if Sai choses someone will he stop her? I dont think so. He has already said in a monologue that he is ready to be his friend. He is not even forcing her to come to his room. Choice is clearly hers. If on Kaku's demand she had to move, he is ready to distance himself. I am 100% sure he will not bind her now.


In short, at this point of time if Sai choses a different path, he will give up. What he does to himself, is something that depends on his emotional state which is very volatile and also his mental strength to come out of it and get going.


Coming to the precap, if it happens (not as dream) I condemn it and I dont support Virat for his help to injured Pakhi. As I mentioned in the EDT, he is now in a very delicate position with his wife. If he does it knowing that there are chances Sai is around, then it is a big mistake and he will not have any valid reason to explain if Sai questions his actions. This time it should be considered a mistake, a terrible one. And he will face the consequences. For once for his own benefit, he should chose himself over his duty. :P


Coming to Kaku, I dont even consider her thoughts as they are not progressive or fair. The way she said Sai has to 'do' something for her husband shows how she thinks wife and husband are unequal in sharing conjugal bliss. As Neerja rightly pointed out, even Sai is missing out on him. We as audience know that she loves him and wants to have a normal marital relationship with him, subconsciously, so she is also denied of same things that Virat is denied. So if Kaku has that kind of mindset, we should not even discuss about her demands and rules set for female folks in the house.


I would like to add a bit on Samrat here, because there was lot of discussion about his approach towards Pakhi. I dont think he did anything wrong in 'trying' to approach Pakhi. He is trying his best to move on and make this marriage work. So what is wrong in checking if she is ok with closing the distance between them. Someone has to test the waters no? If he had proceeded with the act when she is uncomfortable then it is a mistake. Also Pakhi herself told multiple times she wants to work on the marriage. So why are we judging him? If we reverse roles here and Pakhi 'fakes' to come closer to Samrat, is that OK?. Thats why intentions, intentions are important. I felt so bad to see Samrat being bashed for 'trying' to take the first step. Wanted to add it here, so someone could try to correct my understanding if I am wrong.

Hi Sadhika,

The main purpose behind this post is to say that Virat wasn’t doing a favour on Sai and Sai need not be returning any favour by reciprocating his feelings or let him come close to her. I feel and find the whole thought to be cringe. Physical relationship is not the only thing in a couple’s life and anywhere and everywhere that is the topic. I really don’t understand how can anyone feel sorry for Virat that they don’t have any physical relationship between them when it was him who put such an idea in first place. Also, as I have mentioned in the post, if Virat had not fallen in love with Sai, it would have been really torturous for a girl like Sai who inspite of being committed wouldn’t have had a partner to share her days with and also wouldn’t be in a position to look at anyone else as how any single girl would have got to. It is not that Sai would, but the chance of that has been taken away. She also could have dated other men. Virat had given a waada to Pakhi, but Sai didn’t.

So, my point is that it will be double standards, whoever it is, be it characters like Kaku in the show or audience or anyone to feel sorry for Virat that Sai isn’t reciprocating his feelings or letting him come close to her when the same thing and even worse situation is what Sai has been facing and would have faced.

Virat signed up for this with both Pakhi and Sai and he is just facing the consequences.

Whether Virat loves her or not, he tells or not, I don’t care anymore about it as long as the onus is not put on Sai when he was the one who had sowed the seeds of waada, his past relationship, life long commitment, can’t be a husband etc and hence I feel that whatever it is, when he expects something, he should have cleared the misunderstanding and should have also ensured that he doesn’t create more and more day by day.

It is not like no one understands what Virat feels, just that the credibility is lost now that he cannot be trusted anymore by many of us.

@bold I have myself criticised Sai for what happened during the anniversary but after all the turn of events, after watching Virat’s behaviour in that track, after reading many comments, I really wonder if it was even right to have blamed Sai. It is as if she said what she felt since no one else other than herself would know what she is going through and that is how she felt about him which looks quite right to many since his behaviour or his actions seems like that. So be it Sai or audience, anyone would say that he is on two boats. Also, his hurt and other things can’t push him to act inhuman.

His abusive behaviour was a result of him acting egoistic and he is always a self centred person and especially with Sai. I see Virat as someone who would always be a burden on Sai in some way or the other since she will be the one who will have to deal with him, his expectations, his demands, his ego and so much more. It is going to be too tough. Never thought that I would say he would be tough to be dealt with, but I believe that is what it has come to now.

Sorry, placing hurt above his duties you say? He was acting inhuman and abused her. He also ganged up with his ex and humiliated her and such acts cannot be just termed as acts of hurt. Such people don’t deserve sympathy but slaps from elders like his mom or treatment from therapist or even be punished to have locked up a living girl in a room like an animal without regretting at all. Him regretting later or saying sorry meant nothing.

He stops Sai now or not, doesn’t matter when forever he has been a hypocrite expecting one thing from Sai and him acting like a bachelor, carefree. He is such a insensitive guy who never cares about Sai or anyone and will only do what he wants or thinks.

He is not a kid, he is a pampered and spoilt child who wasn’t corrected every time he made mistakes I guess. He might have grown up in a toxic environment but he never tried to break free from it or worked on standing up for what is right. I am sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for this guy who acts as per his convenience and mood. He is a totally unpredictable and unreliable person who has only expectations. It is like Sai will be made to give and give but he wouldn’t do anything from his side to make her feel comfortable, better or secured when he would be demanding it from her.

I did talk about Kaku, but I also meant that for the society who carries such thoughts. Whatever was shown on the show is something that I have read in many places too. This whole post is to make people think that when people feel sorry for Virat, why didn’t they not think that Sai also has fallen into a pit which Virat had dug himself. No point in feeling sorry for him or say that he has done a lot for her and she isn’t doing anything. I am not even able to hear such comments. In a way, Kaku is a representation of one part of our society which comprises of men, women, who are young, old, belonging to all age categories who think that way. It is really sad that people think this way and that too those who are educated, those who themselves go through a lot of struggle. I am not sure how is the society always turning into one where they feel sorry only for the guy and not for the girl? Who can only understand the pain of the guy but not that of a girl? One should look at all these for a person, an individual irrespective of the gender.

I am not going to talk about Samrat Pakhi, since I feel exhausted after whatever I have replied so far 🥲.

Main intent of the post is to bring out the point that one should stop having expectations from a girl, to stop looking at having physical relationship as a duty, to stop expecting that the guy’s feeling gets understood and reciprocated and especially by saying that the guy has done so much for her. We have all progressed in so many ways and the patriarchal mindset has ruled the society so much that people don’t even realise that they have also developed one. Not many intend to but they get so much influenced by the way the society works that they get carried away.

I am not a fan of Sai, not a fan of Virat too. I only express my views on a particular thing looking at it as a topic of concern. Gender doesn’t matter to me. I can’t sympathise the characters for a particular reason especially when they keep going wrong. If one makes a mistake, I point it out, whoever the character is. This topic has been discussed so much all over and in the show too, that I thought I will express my views. If you know me by now, my views would have been the same if the roles were reversed too.

I know, a really lengthy reply. Writing after a long time and just got carried away. I know, you do trust/like Virat but please look at this as just my views about the characters and this topic.

Edited by laksh - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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I completely agree. I hv always maintained that both knew what they were getting into. That's what I hv kept saying Sai cant complain nor can Virat of course. But its the Sai bhakts who keeps saying oh Sai is bechara... She had no choice etc. But actually I feel both knew what wud happen so bhukto... Sai came back hime voluntarily twice before this time. What dis ahe think when she came back?! Virat in fact had asked her why cant we gv a pati-patni kind of relationship? So when she came back what did she expect? That she cud stay a kuvari at her sasural?! She I agree both knew what they were getting into so no sympathies for either from my side.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Thanks yaar for replying. Yes Ofcourse I know you put forth without bias to the characters. It is just that I don’t want to be misunderstood the same way. I understand Sai’s reasons and believe that whatever decision she makes should be independent of what virat does or doesn’t do for her. I am just trying to say that virat will now not stop her!


post about samrakhi when you get a chance!

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And Ofcourse the physical aspect. It is expected from sai because of the kind of relationship they share on paper. That’s the deciding point also whether they can stay together married or not. It is wrong to expect sai to accede to it by force and equally wrong to judge virat if he expects it from her. He is in a position where he sees her as his wife and expects that kind of love from her. If he forces it out of her it is wrong. But except for the elders like kaku he is not expecting anything like that from her. He is again willing to let her be in whatever comfort she found for herself in this relationship. Again anniversary hurt is nothing to do with him being denied by her. It is more to do with his intentions being questioned.


I have no complaints on sai till now. She has faced so much just being in that house in the presence of his ex and without any clarity. I also hope that if she realizes her love it is because she sees him as he is. Not because he has done something to her or because he is her husband. As you said it is an open marriage to start with and should be looked like that without any burden on both sides.


Sorry I missed to add it before


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Posted: 4 years ago
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Just checking if it's Laksh making a post 🧐😁😁😁

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Because when the gentleman, loving and best husband in the world decides to not be celibate, the woman he wants to break his waada for should be ready, irrespective of him telling her about his feelings because you see he has done so so SO MUCH for Sai.. She needs to adhere to his needs...How selfish of her to not realise it..She is not a kid at 19 to not think in that aspect. However if she wanted it for herself and Virat did not, well she got in this out of her choice even after being told she should not expect a husband out of him...

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