Actors leaving jobs over Vaccine Mandate - Page 11

It's about 6 months to a year. Which is why most likely we'll need annual boosters; just like the annual flu shot.
You're right, we're learning. But it's good learning. It's not bad learning. It's an unusual circumstance.

The theory (just a theory) is that we won't eradicate it like polio; but maybe it'll become like the flu at some point, with annual boosters and shots. The idea is her everyone vaccinated coz at some point we'll all be exposed. If vaccinated, the risk of severe illness and death is significantly reduced. And so at some point due to the vaccines and viral exposure, our immune system will learn the virus the way it's learned the flu and it will no longer be "novel" coronavirus for us. The reason for the mortality is the cytokines storm, the overreaction of our immune system because it's a new virus. This is also the reason kids tend to not get as sick. Coz all viruses are new for them, so they usually present as the sniffles.

Originally posted by: desigal90

Your point is about India. About what Italy, New York, Southern California? All with excellent healthcare facilities and preparation. Again, you can't just blame external things. At some point you have to acknowledge that COVID-19 IS a terrible virus and it's done a lot of damage .

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I'm debating and as a physician it's my job to educate people, because this is my field. A lawyer is an expert in their field and I rarely see people arguing with a lawyer about the law coz they did some of their own research. We physicians spend, at a minimum, 4 years in medical and 3 years in residency training where we are trained on how to interpret medical literature and data; statistics; how to constructively analysis studies during our journal clubs. That takes training, it's a skill. What I'm seeing is due to the internet, people think they know how to interpret medical literature and information, but they don't necessarily do unless they Have that background in stats or medicine. What people are doing, is reading news articles. All of whom are not trained either, that's why you keep seeing all this contradicting information.

My advice, talk to a doctor, please. Don't base medical decisions in your life on misinformation. You can even see multiple doctors for 2nd opinions. See where the majority stand .

I'm not one to follow the majority and as I've said before it's not only about information on the Internet but also about the opinion of people of your field (meds) and people working in labs (on of which is a Doctor)

Originally posted by: desigal90

Your point is about India. About what Italy, New York, Southern California? All with excellent healthcare facilities and preparation. Again, you can't just blame external things. At some point you have to acknowledge that COVID-19 IS a terrible virus and it's done a lot of damage .

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I'm debating and as a physician it's my job to educate people, because this is my field. A lawyer is an expert in their field and I rarely see people arguing with a lawyer about the law coz they did some of their own research. We physicians spend, at a minimum, 4 years in medical and 3 years in residency training where we are trained on how to interpret medical literature and data; statistics; how to constructively analysis studies during our journal clubs. That takes training, it's a skill. What I'm seeing is due to the internet, people think they know how to interpret medical literature and information, but they don't necessarily do unless they Have that background in stats or medicine. What people are doing, is reading news articles. All of whom are not trained either, that's why you keep seeing all this contradicting information.

My advice, talk to a doctor, please. Don't base medical decisions in your life on misinformation. You can even see multiple doctors for 2nd opinions. See where the majority stand .

My point was in fact about France, Italy and Portugal. It stands for India too.

As for the US the problem lies with the lack of public healthcare, bad hygiene of life and promiscuity. Add to that those who believed the vaccine didn't exist and so didn't take any precautions and here you with the catastrophe that happened there.

Anyways I'm not an antivax or anything but I feel uncomfortable with having put a product that was developed too quickly to my liking. It's about trust.

If I have to get a third shot it will most likely be the Sanofi one but not Pfizer or Moderna.

Originally posted by: BettyA1

Bold - Sorry to hear that @Maraka_Musso89

How's he doing now?

P.S. Haven't read most of the posts here, so sorry if you've already addressed it

He's doing much better now thank you for asking. He was in neurology for a week before they let him out and now he has appointments set for this month and December.

God is great because we managed to notice he was having a stroke early enough and called the firefighters (it's like 911 here) who took him to the hospital.

It was horrid because we couldn't go in with him because of COVID restrictions and had to wait the day after to have some news. The hospital was supposed to call with news but they might have forgotten.

Even when my father told them he had the 2nd shot of the vaccine done the day before, they dismissed it one he said that no he didn't get the AstraZeneca but the Pfizer.

Well the good thing in all that is that they diagnosed my father with cholesterol which he didn't know he had and they gave him treatment.

I'm glad they found the high cholesterol as that's a risk factor for heart attacks and strokes. South Asians in general are very high risk for heart attacks and high cholesterol. Hopefully they placed him on a medication for cholesterol.

Sweden is a very interesting case. I think this Bloomberg article does a good job of explaining it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-10-14/sweden-a-covid-success-story-or-a-failure-maybe-neither

One major, journalistic failure of the pandemic is definitely lots of numbers without context.

If 5 out of 10 people got sick and they live in a one-bedroom apartment, that's impressive that you were able to isolate five people. But if those 5 out of 10 people got sick and each person lives alone on an acre of land then it is a safety failure on behalf of many.

If 5 out of 10 people got sick and the system can care for only 1 sick person at a time it is a crisis. But if the system can care for 5 or more people at the same time it is not a big deal.

Unfortunately, a lot of COVID reporting has been a bit alarmist focused on big scary numbers or percentages, without contextual information like what was the total population, what is the population density, what is the healthcare infrastructure like. And now comparing transmission, hospitalization, and mortality rates to vaccination rates and vaccine statuses.

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Risk tolerance is variable and the number one challenge we are facing is the conflict of what is perceived as a risk and risk tolerance.

For a certain percentage of the population

COVID Risk > Vaccine Risk

They have zero tolerance for the risk of COVID and want to implement every precaution possible to prevent COVID.

For another percentage of the population

Vaccine Side Effect Risk > COVID Risk

They have zero tolerance for the risk of taking a vaccine because of what it might do to their body.

For the most part, our perceived risks and risk tolerance don't conflict with each other. If you're afraid of dogs you don't get one and have leash laws and dog-free apartments and businesses to address your safety. Others can still own dogs with restrictions. But a highly virulent airborne virus affects the whole world drastically - and it is not easy to make choices.

For me, COVID risk is far higher than the Vaccine side effect risk. The data for me proves beyond reasonable doubt that I have to worry more about my loved ones getting COVID and dying of it than of any side effect we may get from vaccines. But that doesn't mean I lack complete empathy for people wary of vaccine risk. One of my colleagues has a family history of clotting and the decision was not as easy it was for me. There are fears and anxieties I have that I feel people don't get or empathize with at all. That is why I do want to give others the courtesy to at least provide empathy. I don't always do a good job. But I might not agree, and boy it would make me so much more at peace if everyone was excited about shots, and I'll try to convince folks - but ultimately I do get - people make choices - and you do you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNtTEibFvlQ

Originally posted by: desigal90

I'm glad they fight the high cholesterol as that's a risk factor for heart attacks and strokes. South Asians in general are very high risk for heart attacks and high cholesterol. Hopefully they placed him on a medication for cholesterol.

Thank you ❤️. Yes he's on medication and has appointments set up at the hospitals this month and the next to see how the evolution of his state and what step to take up next.

I'm not South Asian but from Malian as my parents are from there.

The cardiologist I used to work with in the hospital has a saying, "being Indian is high risk for heart attacks". I got my father started on a statin as as his risk score increases based on south Asian heritage and male gender with even mild high levels of cholesterol. All south Asians males should be monitored very closely for cholesterol levels.

Originally posted by: desigal90

Because I don't go by anecdotes and stories. I got my statistics and double blind controlled studies. If I began practicing medicine and treating my patients based on what my neighbors experienced, I'd be a terrible physician. Evidence based Medicine.

The studies show associations with clotting, not death (clotting doesn't mean death fyi). Covid infection has KNOWN clotting. That's why inpatient treatment for Covid-19 is blood thinners.

For every concern you have with the vaccines, some questionable associations, some real, studies and incidence reports show SIGNIFICANTLY higher incidence with the infection. Simple decision. Like I said; we physicians were the FIRST in line. So dont make it seem like we're being cunning or trying to trick the public, when we got the vaccines before anyone else.

Don’t put words into my comments. I never said clotting means death, but clotting can CAUSE death. So the fact is vaccines do in fact lead to clotting in some and that’s why some die from it. Therefore, vaccines are useless because for you death is the worst when we now know it can lead to death. That’s why there are reports of healthy adults getting stokes and some suddenly passing away.

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

All of my sisters got it (we all took Pfizer as it was supposed to be the safest option) and my parents too (my dad got a stroke because of it). My brothers brothers didn't.

When my dad said he got the vaccine done the day before, the doctor asked him if he had gotten AstraZeneca or J&J. When he told them no he got Pfizer, they got quiet and told him their was no correlation between the two. LIES!

Exactly this ! Big Pharma is being the media, the scientists... they have billion of dollars to spare and we are the perfect test subjects.

The media came in handy by making people believe that unvaccine people were the problem and by divided people into two teams.

Peer pressure did the remainder so even so the vaccines were complety cleared, they were sold to different countries and inoculated into millions of people.

The president of my country waited weeks before the summer vacations to apply the pressure and announcing that people who didn't get the vaccine and subsequently the Pass wouldn't be able to go museums, amusement parks, restaurants... it was cruel for people who just got out of curfew and some -like me- worked from home so we were as good as confined as when we ended our work day, curfew was already in place.

Some people did get temporary passes but they have to paid for for since last month.

I am glad your dad is fine. That’s scary. My friend’s mother got stroke recently. She was hospitalized and now out. I haven’t been able to talk to her if that was also due to vaccine because she never got stroke before or had a history of it from what I know.

Science is amazing, but line anything it can be abused when there’s money involved. So some can make science their religion but not me. I will believe real science, not fake science pushed for profits, greed and control. They are mandating vaccines in campuses and almost everywhere. I remember when people would say they will never force vaccines, but here we are now. Stupid Biden even said if we take vaccines, then we won’t get covid. In the beginning of the pandemic, we were even told to not wear masks as that won’t protect us just because they didn’t want us to buy masks to protect ourselves since masks were running out. They will say anything when it’s convenient for them.. How stupid they think we are. And Every time sheep people say they would never do that, but then it happens again and again. Then they justify it and go to the next point saying that will never happen except it then also happens and over and over repeat nonsense.