Actors leaving jobs over Vaccine Mandate - Page 10

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Millions of people have been mandated here to take the vaccine or submit weekly COVID test results otherwise they lose their jobs. This is what it means to be a part of society, we all have to do our part to care for ourselves and others.

It's just a way for the different governments to see what they can get away with.

Who would have thought that we'd need a paper to go out and that we'd have limited time outside ? Who would have thought that we'd have a sanitary pass to be able to access some places ?

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

It's just a way for the different governments to see what they can get away with.

Who would have thought that we'd need a paper to go out and that we'd have limited time outside ? Who would have thought that we'd have a sanitary pass to be able to access some places ?

Who would have thought that we'd have a pandemic one day in this day and age that would take the lives of millions and shut the world down? Who would have thought our healthcare systems worldwide would get overwhelmed to the point that people are being mass cremated/buried?

Time to modify your expectations based on unusual circumstances. This is not a sexually transmitted virus; this is a highly infectious respiratory novel virus that is completely new to our immune system. Hence why it's taken such a massive toll on human life.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Millions of people have been mandated here to take the vaccine or submit weekly COVID test results otherwise they lose their jobs. This is what it means to be a part of society, we all have to do our part to care for ourselves and others.

I agree about taking Covid tests to protect ourselves and others. A vaccine is primarily supposed to protect you first and you should be able to choose if you want to take it or not, Why should I take a vaccine which has been rushed and with unknown long term side effects to protect someone else? If I suffer from a severe side effects or die from it, who is going to take care of my family? Are these people who I’m trying to protect care for my family?
If someone has an unhealthy lifestyle, why should I risk my life to protect unhealthy people?

Originally posted by: v_nakshara

I agree about taking Covid tests to protect ourselves and others. A vaccine is primarily supposed to protect you first and you should be able to choose if you want to take it or not, Why should I take a vaccine which has been rushed and with unknown long term side effects to protect someone else? If I suffer from a severe side effects or die from it, who is going to take care of my family? Are these people who I’m trying to protect care for my family?
If someone has an unhealthy lifestyle, why should I risk my life to protect unhealthy people?

i see your point but I disagree that you're protecting people with "unhealthy lifestyles".

Yes obesity and overweight people are at risk, but so are people with cancer, autoimmune diseases, type 1 diabetics, and a host of other illnesses that have no impact from lifestyle whatsoever. Part of this group are also people with medical conditions who cannot get the vaccine and are relying on us to bring the rates of infection down.

And again I want to emphasize. There's a lot of misinformation on the internet. I keep seeing this 10 years number over and over again and clearly it's been shared. But that's not true. It's not a clear cut 10 year mark to make vaccines. It's ONE to Ten years, it's a spectrum. Just coz it took us 10 years to develop vaccines in the 80s doesn't mean it's gonna take us this long now. Keep medical advancements in mine. Forget vaccines, isn't everything being manufactured and created faster today than ever before?

Also the phase 3 thing I also want to address. Phase 3 is testing efficacy, safety. Phase 4 is more testing for efficacy, NOT safety. Safety has already been checked in phase 3. phase 5 is post marketing surveillance in public, which is after medication is released. So basically only phase skipped is phase 4 (due to the urgency of the need of the vaccine due to Covid 19 impact on human life). Which I agree with. We didn't have the luxury to sacrifice more lives for another 3 years while we do studies.

This really is where the concept of risk vs benefits of both decisions come in. What lm seeing a lot of if black and white thinking. Oh I know someone that had this adverse effect so this isn't safe. Ok... but did you take into account the fact that more than 50% of the US population got the vaccine and if it was as unsafe as you think, our ICUs would be filled with vaccine side effects. But that's not true. Our hospitals and ICUs still are filled with Covid patients.

The Bay Area has one of the highest vaccine rates. I work in the Central Valley; lower rates but my clinic the vaccination center for our region. So many people got the vaccine; i haven't seen our hospitals dealing with vaccine adverse effects.

Also, the rare adverse effects like anaphylaxis; we can fix that, it's reversible. The flu like symptoms all resolve within 10 days. The clotting reactions are concerning ,I agree, but again, they're so rare. And the alternative is Covid 19 which throws the body into pro-thrombotic state anyway. The autopsy done on Covid 19 ARDS patients showed numerous thrombi in the lungs. So Covid can give you strokes and lung clots at a much higher likelihood than the vaccine. Which is why inpatient treatment consists of blood thinners.

Originally posted by: desigal90

Who would have thought that we'd have a pandemic one day in this day and age that would take the lives of millions and shut the world down? Who would have thought our healthcare systems worldwide would get overwhelmed to the point that people are being mass cremated/buried?

Time to modify your expectations based on unusual circumstances. This is not a sexually transmitted virus; this is a highly infectious respiratory novel virus that is completely new to our immune system. Hence why it's taken such a massive toll on human life.

The hospitals wouldn't have been overwhelmed had the governments taken their responsibilities and used the public funds for healthcare instead.

They should also have been responsible toward the environment and their joke of COP26 were they used 400 private planes indicates that they don't care about the environment and subsequent crisis we will encounter.

Do you seriously believe that people will change because of COVID ? They certainly won't and already people are getting back to their life pre-COVID. The pre and post COVID World is an utopy.

I personally will enjoy my life to the fullest. I don't see why I should take the burden for a few capitalists that ruined the World just because.

They could easily find the money and logistics to get vaccines everywhere in the World but when it comes to get food or water there, they don't have the means anymore.

Two shots for me that's it. I don't care if I have to stay home because of it. I won't be ruining my body with chemicals that weren't well-tested.

You choose to believe them it's very good for you but don't force your opinion down other people's throats.

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

The hospitals wouldn't have been overwhelmed had the governments taken their responsibilities and used the public funds for healthcare instead.

They should also have been responsible toward the environment and their joke of COP26 were they used 400 private planes indicates that they don't care about the environment and subsequent crisis we will encounter.

Do you seriously believe that people will change because of COVID ? They certainly won't and already people are getting back to their life pre-COVID. The pre and post COVID World is an utopy.

I personally will enjoy my life to the fullest. I don't see why I should take the burden for a few capitalists that ruined the World just because.

They could easily find the money and logistics to get vaccines everywhere in the World but when it comes to get food or water there, they don't have the means anymore.

Two shots for me that's it. I don't care if I have to stay home because of it. I won't be ruining my body with chemicals that weren't well-tested.

You choose to believe them it's very good for you but don't force your opinion down other people's throats.

Your point is about India. About what Italy, New York, Southern California? All with excellent healthcare facilities and preparation. Again, you can't just blame external things. At some point you have to acknowledge that COVID-19 IS a terrible virus and it's done a lot of damage .

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I'm debating and as a physician it's my job to educate people, because this is my field. A lawyer is an expert in their field and I rarely see people arguing with a lawyer about the law coz they did some of their own research. We physicians spend, at a minimum, 4 years in medical and 3 years in residency training where we are trained on how to interpret medical literature and data; statistics; how to constructively analysis studies during our journal clubs. That takes training, it's a skill. What I'm seeing is due to the internet, people think they know how to interpret medical literature and information, but they don't necessarily do unless they Have that background in stats or medicine. What people are doing, is reading news articles. All of whom are not trained either, that's why you keep seeing all this contradicting information.

My advice, talk to a doctor, please. Don't base medical decisions in your life on misinformation. You can even see multiple doctors for 2nd opinions. See where the majority stand .

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

I also did the 2 doses...

My father too btw and he got a stroke the day after when he's someone who's very health to begin with.

I did two doses and now they are talking about a third that I'll certainly won't do.

Bold - Sorry to hear that @Maraka_Musso89

How's he doing now?

P.S. Haven't read most of the posts here, so sorry if you've already addressed it

Europe is seeing Wuhan virus resurgence now

The media headlines says it's cz of the very low vaccinated Eastern Euopean countries

True, these countries are seeing resurgence but what they fail to mention is Portuguese with it's 100% vaccination rate is also seeing resurgence

Ireland which has high vaccination rate is also experiencing it

Sweden with no mask and vaccination mandate and no shutdown is not experiencing it

Not a European country but Israel with it's strict mask mandate and high vaccination rate keeps on experiencing it.... I think they've shut down at least four times now...

Originally posted by: BettyA1

Europe is seeing Wuhan virus resurgence now

The media headlines says it's cz of the very low vaccinated Eastern Euopean countries

True, these countries are seeing resurgence but what they fail to mention is Portuguese with it's 100% vaccination rate is also seeing resurgence

Ireland which has high vaccination rate is also experiencing it

Sweden with no mask and vaccination mandate and no shutdown is not experiencing it

Not a European country but Israel with it's strict mask mandate and high vaccination rate keeps on experiencing it.... I think they've shut down at least four times now...

If be curious to know mortality rates in vaccinated areas. So I looked it up.

Israel (high vaccinated rate)

Cumulative cases - 1,335,184

Deaths - 8130

Mortality - 0.6%

USA (variable rates)

Cumulative Cases - 46,659,443

Deaths - 756,951

Mortality - 1.6%

India

Cumulative Cases - 34,388,579

Deaths - 461,949

Mortality - 1.3%

Israel has one third the deaths from Covid than USA.

So immunity wanes, but how quickly? Few months? Like most articles about Covid-19 details are unclear

Even the experts are not sure cz data keeps changing and is unclear and to top that they only release info that fits their narrative but they talk like whatever they say is the final word

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/11/09/israeli-study-shows-how-covid-19-immunity-wanes-over-time/