*~*TAZBU (SaiShi and RaghVi) AT 16*~* Bakhuda Tumhi Ho - Page 40

Originally posted by: PSharada

The way I see it is - Pallavi breaks down and feels hurt. She might even walk out of the RR Mansion. But then she might add the clues and figure out that Esha was trapping Raghav. Or maybe Raghav will realize that Esha is doing a chance pe dance and might tell his suspicions to Farhad or Amma. Once Pallavi suspects this is a trap, I want her to support Raghav and her marriage just the way Raghav did in Mandar track. Once they dispose of Esha then they both can decide on their hurt and talk about what happened and address their priorities. Raghav can shower his love on Pallavi and Pallavi can share her insecurities.

See Sharada this alternative is the most plausible according to me.

I really wished they'd be ok to consider a risk showing her decide (even if not communicate with R) what she wants to do before the whole truth is out. But then again I don't know the backlash we would get. I want tk make it clear that P needs to be given an agency to decide what she wants, after that whatever she decides it's her choice, you can't judge her.

Z I got it lols.

Priya, hi long time 🤗 arre itv main logic sab bhool bhool, like Shalini said a drunk man can't do the deed, he can't even stand when fully sloshed (pun intended).

Originally posted by: PSharada

@bold:- Oh yes - I want that given that Raghav never really wooed Pallavi and their marriage was a compromise and he basically married her by blackmailing her about her brother. So yes she deserves Raghav to beg for forgiveness and I want him to grovel and woo her and earn her love and trust back.

I will forgive the writers for all of this if the next track is a bit lighter - with the remaining angst from this one - but focusing on him wooing her. Maturely. No nibba-nibbi balloon trash. LOL.

Originally posted by: RainbowUnicorm

Thats the aftereffects of making the mistake and blunder the first time..fear of repercussions and self loathing. But if forgiven easily, that same thing becomes a acceptable trait.

Now RR is not that kind you may say...but our RR was never the kind to even touch his wife on bed while drunk. All these days there were many scenes of him being drunk around Pals..they still didnt consummate. Nor he forced . So this is not at all our RR...the guy we know from beginning would never stay in same room with anyone other than Pallavi.

This is some other RR...whom CVs have made. And my fear is this mega change in characterization...if they keep doing that we land with another Anupama.

No if you look at the episodes you would see that RR and Pallavi have a big tiff the night before and he was missing Pallavi. That is why he hallucinates about Pallavi after the drinking session. And also he drinks because somewhere he finally got the answers to his past betrayal and he gave company to Esha as an old friend not ex-flame. It is other thing that Esha took advantage of his drunk state.

Don't worry - the show might not last beyond November end so we won't be having another Anupama on our hands. Sickand has already moved on to another new show. This is basically going to run till Nov or Dec end and will be closed once SP has new shows. The rumors are strong that Zindagi might take the 5:30PM slot.

Chalo need to call it a night today. Ping me if any bts comes please. Not going to venture out on forum as it has become too toxic for my liking.

Originally posted by: PSharada

@bold:- Oh yes - I want that given that Raghav never really wooed Pallavi and their marriage was a compromise and he basically married her by blackmailing her about her brother. So yes she deserves Raghav to beg for forgiveness and I want him to grovel and woo her and earn her love and trust back.

Plus 200

Also I love that you, fria, Ru and me are on the same page on everything. Makes me feel validated for my views which are unpopular atm.

Yes Fria, they aren't spending time on the emotional side of the story and hence the plot I want to see looks less likely to pan out. Also idk I think it's kind of controversial? going by tv standards to show a wife forgive a husband?

Shalini, I don't think every person is the same. I'm not sure why you feel that if forgiven R is capable of cheating again. Not every person who strays goes back to being what they were. Some realise the wrong they did and realise how lucky they are to not lose everything as a consequence and be the best version of themselves.

I believe that people should be given second chances and what they do after the chance is upto them. We are all humans and we make mistakes, if we don't get second changes or forgiveness for mistakes that are unintentionally done, there's nothing good left in the world. We don't live in an idealistic world, we need to make do with what we have. I rest my case.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Shalini the ones who cheat never really come clean and feel this amount of remorse. Even if Raghav did sleep with Esha, we can't categorise him in the same basket as a habitual cheater. My friend made a post the other day and make a nice correlation to murder, the sentence for murder depends on whether it is self defence, accidental, cold blooded etc. You can't pronounce the same sentence for all situations.

Raghav is not a habitual cheater. The Raghav we know would never cheat on Pallavi even in the initial days of marriage when he hated her.

Exactly my point..this is not the RR we know. This is a modified version of CVs for this track. We cannot judge him now based on past tracks. In the present track , its just a pati patni and woh track, he has been made to participate in infidelity and feel remorse and express it....we cannot look at how nice he was before now and whitewash him.

About being habitual cheater, im saying that if Pallavi forgives him easily, thats a message to society or viewers of an ideal loving wife forgiving her husband of such a ...marital crime. Habitual cheaters are created by spouses who forgive and dont walk out.

Just as an example....Suzanne Khan separated from Hrithik Roshan openly , publicly after 13 years of marraige and two kids, because he got close to spanish actress at shooting. There may have been other incidents but this was the last straw for her.

Many in the industry argued that she should have stayed..but I am glad she didnt . There are men and women who publicly show remorse of failed marraige but privately expected spouse to put up with it.

Not saying RR is like that, I am leading to a more social discussion.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Plus 200

Also I love that you, fria, Ru and me are on the same page on everything. Makes me feel validated for my views which are unpopular atm.

Yes Fria, they aren't spending time on the emotional side of the story and hence the plot I want to see looks less likely to pan out. Also idk I think it's kind of controversial? going by tv standards to show a wife forgive a husband?

Shalini, I don't think every person is the same. I'm not sure why you feel that if forgiven R is capable of cheating again. Not every person who strays goes back to being what they were. Some realise the wrong they did and realise how lucky they are to not lose everything as a consequence and be the best version of themselves.

I believe that people should be given second chances and what they do after the chance is upto them. We are all humans and we make mistakes, if we don't get second changes or forgiveness for mistakes that are unintentionally done, there's nothing good left in the world. We don't live in an idealistic world, we need to make do with what we have. I rest my case.

I would very much like RR to grovel and win her back...and for her to take her own sweet time. They have to fall out of and then fall in love again to work. All im saying is, she should not forgive easily. This time he really has to prove why he deserves her as a life partner .

Perhaps trust is hard for me and once lost I cannot really trust. Like right now I cannot trust Sikku..even though he created this show and characters that made me come to IF after ages.

One more thing. If Pallavi made the same mistake..slept with Mandar under drug influence or had an emotional connect and then slept with him...would we have forgiven pallavi as an audience and would we have accepted RR accepting her back.

At any point, are we being lenient towards the ML is a point for introspection.

Originally posted by: RainbowUnicorm

Exactly my point..this is not the RR we know. This is a modified version of CVs for this track. We cannot judge him now based on past tracks. In the present track , its just a pati patni and woh track, he has been made to participate in infidelity and feel remorse and express it....we cannot look at how nice he was before now and whitewash him.

About being habitual cheater, im saying that if Pallavi forgives him easily, thats a message to society or viewers of an ideal loving wife forgiving her husband of such a ...marital crime. Habitual cheaters are created by spouses who forgive and dont walk out.

Just as an example....Suzanne Khan separated from Hrithik Roshan openly , publicly after 13 years of marraige and two kids, because he got close to spanish actress at shooting. There may have been other incidents but this was the last straw for her.

Many in the industry argued that she should have stayed..but I am glad she didnt . There are men and women who publicly show remorse of failed marraige but privately expected spouse to put up with it.

Not saying RR is like that, I am leading to a more social discussion.

I think we need to agree to disagree on this.🤗

We can't see a show in isolation of tracks. We need to see the characters from day 1 to today on how they behaved. While for your own viewing experience you can assume this is a new show and a new Raghav but while I try to analyse his actions, I can't discount what he was and his life experience that made him what he is today.

The raghav we know would never cheat on Pallavi, he has hated cheaters all his life and he would never become one, atleast intentionally. Like Sharada pointed out, R would rather die than face Pallavi because that's the amount of guilt he feels.

Again, we need to see this in light of the what is shown post the infamous night, his reactions to everything. Also, it is important to see this objectively without bias (the woman gender bias because this isn't a gender issue at all, the Pallavi bias because both are involved and their feelings should be equally considered and misplaced feminism). I'm not saying you're doing this but the bias is possible.

Our perspectives on second chances don't match at all.

While I respect your stance, I believe in the power of forgiveness, redemption and transformation. I believe in giving second chances and believe in the goodness of people. Again, I'm not saying everyone deserves a second chance but some definitely do, R is one of them.

Also forgiving or not is something between the couple, I don't think people make choices for staying in a marriage or not depending on what others do or what examples are set before them, it's a person's choice.

Suzzane made a decision good for her, if she stayed back also who are we to judge since we aren't in her shoes and have not walked her paths.

Originally posted by: RainbowUnicorm

I would very much like RR to grovel and win her back...and for her to take her own sweet time. They have to fall out of and then fall in love again to work. All im saying is, she should not forgive easily. This time he really has to prove why he deserves her as a life partner .

Perhaps trust is hard for me and once lost I cannot really trust. Like right now I cannot trust Sikku..even though he created this show and characters that made me come to IF after ages.

One more thing. If Pallavi made the same mistake..slept with Mandar under drug influence or had an emotional connect and then slept with him...would we have forgiven pallavi as an audience and would we have accepted RR accepting her back.

At any point, are we being lenient towards the ML is a point for introspection.

We all are saying that Pallavi needs to take time to cone to terms, it will also make R realise her value in his life coz he's been taking her for granted for quite a long time. No one wants an easy path for Raghav.

Like I just said in my earlier post and also replied to one of the other posts in the main forum, cheating is definitely not a gender issue so we should not make it one.

I believe Raghav would have it in him to forgive her for the cheating. It would take time for him to come to terms but his love for her is so strong that he would be able to forgive and forget (Pallavi would find it difficult to forgive herself though). Aren't we have the same situation in reverse right now?

Ok guys real world calls, will see y'all later. I hv a lot of PMs to reply to 😭

Originally posted by: joliefemme

I think we need to agree to disagree on this.🤗

We can't see a show in isolation of tracks. We need to see the characters from day 1 to today on how they behaved. While for your own viewing experience you can assume this is a new show and a new Raghav but while I try to analyse his actions, I can't discount what he was and his life experience that made him what he is today.

The raghav we know would never cheat on Pallavi, he has hated cheaters all his life and he would never become one, atleast intentionally. Like Sharada pointed out, R would rather die than face Pallavi because that's the amount of guilt he feels.

Again, we need to see this in light of the what is shown post the infamous night, his reactions to everything. Also, it is important to see this objectively without bias (the woman gender bias because this isn't a gender issue at all, the Pallavi bias because both are involved and their feelings should be equally considered and misplaced feminism). I'm not saying you're doing this but the bias is possible.

Our perspectives on second chances don't match at all.

While I respect your stance, I believe in the power of forgiveness, redemption and transformation. I believe in giving second chances and believe in the goodness of people. Again, I'm not saying everyone deserves a second chance but some definitely do, R is one of them.

Also forgiving or not is something between the couple, I don't think people make choices for staying in a marriage or not depending on what others do or what examples are set before them, it's a person's choice.

Suzzane made a decision good for her, if she stayed back also who are we to judge since we aren't in her shoes and have not walked her paths.

Np dear 🤗..this is s difficult topic and respect your opinions totally while keeping mine. For me forgiveness is possible only after appropriate repentance, but that could be decided by spouse only.

For all our sakes, hope RR did not sleep with her and they figure this out.