Always the tone of surprise CC #1 - Page 96

I actually end up re reading HP series every year - especially POA, GOF, OOP & COS.

I just recently read the above but starting with First part again to keep up with the thread ❤️

By the way - an age old question:

Do you think Severus Snape also acted out his role of a spy by being partial to slytherins and publicly being mean to gryffindors? Almost all kids in Slytherin were children of death eaters, especially - Draco, Crab & Goyle.

At the end of GOF - Voldemort tells everyone - “Lucius, I have been told that you have not given up your old ways… “

So we know that the way Snape behaved - was reported to rest of the DE by the kids and eventually Voldemort.

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Originally posted by: Sree0796

Hello guys just getting a bit out of context, what do you all think about the book The Cursed Child. Being an avid HP lover, I ignored the reviews and thought to give this book a try thinking it would not disappoint as well.

But in my opinion the existence of this book is kind of a black spot for the series. After finishing it the only thought that came into my mind was to completely forget the existence of this book.

Hi Sree, hope you are doing well 😳 Well, honestly, I haven't read The Cursed Child to give an accurate review. Since I find time travel an interesting premise, I might give it a try. But I think it is an unnecessary book in the series that was wrapped up so beautifully with the death of Voldemort.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

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Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

By the way - an age old question:

Do you think Severus Snape also acted out his role of a spy by being partial to slytherins and publicly being mean to gryffindors? Almost all kids in Slytherin were children of death eaters, especially - Draco, Crab & Goyle.

At the end of GOF - Voldemort tells everyone - “Lucius, I have been told that you have not given up your old ways… “

So we know that the way Snape behaved - was reported to rest of the DE by the kids and eventually Voldemort.

There is a dialogue by Voldemort in Chapter 33, GOF

“And here we have six missing Death Eaters … three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return … he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever … he will be killed, of course … and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service.”

Here, the one who is too cowardly to return is Karkaroff, the most faithful servant already in service is Barty Crouch Jr. And the one who Voldemort believed had left him forever is Snape. If Voldemort already believed Snape was his betrayer, there was no changing his mind even if Snape bullied the Gryffindor kids.

In fact, on numerous occasions, Snape actually protected Harry instead of getting him killed or bringing him to Voldemort. Those actions would plant more doubt in Voldemort's mind than Snape's petty act of bullying Harry. If Snape truly wanted to prove his allegiance to Voldemort, he would have helped Quirell do away with Harry during the Quidditch match in Harry's first year. But Snape didn't, he protected Harry and followed Dumbledore's instructions. Voldemort was smart, he must have noticed what Snape was really doing.

So, I don't think Snape bullied Harry and the other Gryffindor kids to exhibit his solidarity with the Death Eaters. Maybe the bullying could mislead the children of the Death Eaters, but not Voldemort himself. I think the bullying was rather more due to Snape's personal bitterness towards James and Sirius as they bullied him during his schooldays, and his unrequited love for Lily.

Originally posted by: tournesol

There is a dialogue by Voldemort in Chapter 33, GOF

“And here we have six missing Death Eaters … three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return … he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever … he will be killed, of course … and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service.”

Here, the one who is too cowardly to return is Karkaroff, the most faithful servant already in service is Barty Crouch Jr. And the one who Voldemort believed had left him forever is Snape. If Voldemort already believed Snape was his betrayer, there was no changing his mind even if Snape bullied the Gryffindor kids.

In fact, on numerous occasions, Snape actually protected Harry instead of getting him killed or bringing him to Voldemort. Those actions would plant more doubt in Voldemort's mind than Snape's petty act of bullying Harry. If Snape truly wanted to prove his allegiance to Voldemort, he would have helped Quirell do away Harry during the Quidditch match in Harry's first year. But Snape didn't, he protected Harry and followed Dumbledore's instructions. Voldemort was smart, he must have noticed what Snape was really doing.

So, I don't think Snape bullied Harry and the other Gryffindor kids to exhibit his solidarity with the Death Eaters. Maybe the bullying could mislead the children of the Death Eaters, but not Voldemort himself. I think the bullying was rather more due to Snape's personal bitterness towards James and Sirius as they bullied him during his schooldays, and his unrequited love for Lily.

He didn't help him overtly though.

He clarifies to Narcissa and Bellatrix in HBP is to why he saved Harry and why he didn't kill him. He says that he thought Quirell wanted the stone for himself. During GOF too, he gives a nod to Dumbledore and then goes away. He does give solid reasoning - he couldn't have disapparated from Hogwarts either. Voldemort had reasons to trust him - he was a powerful wizard and very Slytherin - cunning and sly to the core.

Though I do admit it was because of the bullying he faced as a child. But he was harsh with Neville & Hermoine too. He made no effort to stop the bullying of Slytherins. When Regulus calls Hermoine a 'mud blood' - he does get very angry with him.. But we generally see Snape through the eyes of Harry and Ron.. which would have made him look even worse.

Snape may have believed he was like James - but do you think the Occlumency lessons would have given him an insight to the abuse and harsh upbringing he faced? Not too different from himself. For whatever reason - even Sirius and Remus looked at him as if he were James, when he was not like at him except for his talent in Quiditch and tendency to get in trouble (though James only broke rules out of sheer boredom and their humour was mostly dark; while Harry did it out of necessity). Even Lily I don't get why people say that she was the best character - she was quite self righteous IMO.

Harry, Ron, Hermoine and even Draco were better versions of their previous generations.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

He didn't help him overtly though.

He clarifies to Narcissa and Bellatrix in HBP is to why he saved Harry and why he didn't kill him. He says that he thought Quirell wanted the stone for himself. During GOF too, he gives a nod to Dumbledore and then goes away. He does give solid reasoning - he couldn't have disapparated from Hogwarts either. Voldemort had reasons to trust him - he was a powerful wizard and very Slytherin - cunning and sly to the core.

Though I do admit it was because of the bullying he faced as a child. But he was harsh with Neville & Hermoine too. He made no effort to stop the bullying of Slytherins. When Regulus calls Hermoine a 'mud blood' - he does get very angry with him.. But we generally see Snape through the eyes of Harry and Ron.. which would have made him look even worse.

Snape may have believed he was like James - but do you think the Occlumency lessons would have given him an insight to the abuse and harsh upbringing he faced? Not too different from himself. For whatever reason - even Sirius and Remus looked at him as if he were James, when he was not like at him except for his talent in Quiditch and tendency to get in trouble (though James only broke rules out of sheer boredom and their humour was mostly dark; while Harry did it out of necessity). Even Lily I don't get why people say that she was the best character - she was quite self righteous IMO.

Harry, Ron, Hermoine and even Draco were better versions of their previous generations.

I am not prepared to write this reply as I am in the beginning of HBP. 😆 This is my first time reading the books, never read them while growing up. But I would love to hear what others think about Snape. I would get back when I finish HBP. Hope that's alright with you. 😳

Though I would like to say one thing, I don't think Voldemort trusted Snape. Sure, he believed that Snape was a capable wizard who could help him acheive what he wanted, but if he trusted him, he wouldn't say, in GoF, that he believed Snape had left him forever and he will meet his death. I feel it is more like Voldemort was using Snape, and then got rid of him when his job was done. But I will read through HBP and DH before forming any opinion.

Did Snape get angry when Regulus called Hermione a 'mudood'? You just gave me a spoiler 😆 I don't remember watching such a scene in the movies (but yeah, movies omitted a lot of things, let's not go there) Well, I am happy to know Snape got angry, but kinda expected it. Because Snape was a half-blood, his father was a muggleborn. Also Lily was a muggleborn, and Snape was very sensitive regarding his feelings for Lily.

One observation, in the Harry potter series, all the half-bloods are shown as very powerful wizards. Albus Dumbledore, Tom Riddle, Severus Snape, Harry Potter, Nymphadora Tonks. I am sure this list isn't exhaustive. Eager to complete HBP and DH and find out which else important character is a half-blood.

Not Regulus sorry, Phineas Black.

Sorry for the spoilers, I didn't know you haven't read the entire series yet.

Can we start reading CoS from Sunday? Hope everyone can start from then. This time we can have mid discussions too.

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