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Posted: 4 years ago
#41

I agree on most of u t points asmi and mostly on the setting boundries part of it . Most people don't realise u need to do this even in every day relationships. There is a line that one must never cross no matter how much love is der btw u ..u don't posses that person .

Also I agree with your views on emo fidelity ... mostly in. Tune with what I think

That person is a living persons with desires ambitions ..

It was a great post of how u look at their relationship ..I like the approach towards the situations

Stay safe and happy

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Posted: 4 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

You guys are not obliged to reply or read. Just adding so that I can convey what I feel right now.

More tags!

I most definitely want to read so I will be back to do so. Thanks for the tag luv ❤️
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Posted: 4 years ago
#43

Oh my god! Some patience you have, Asmi! So well written and explained! ❤️

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Posted: 4 years ago
#44

Very well written, Asmi 😊

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Posted: 4 years ago
#45

I Think You Are Absolutely Right, I Also Want To Add That Virat I Believe Is Also Inherently An Asshole And He Is Also Dishonest, Honesty Is Not Just For Your Job Or Not Cheating In An Exam Or Adultery. But Also In Day To Day Life. He Think He Is Righteous, "Modern Man" Who Is Very Open Minded. But All Goes To Hell If Anyone Or Anything Challenges His Beliefs. He Has Never Felt Sorry In Life For Any Misconduct! Hell He Has Been Continuously Downright Abusive To Her! But Oh No He Is A Man With No Fault, He Is Perfect, Because He Is So Ignobly Righteous! Because If A Person Really Accept Their Fault Then They Change. But No Sir! Not Our Mr. Chavan! Anyway As I Was Saying If You Are Honest You Are Also Honest About Your Opinion Of A Person Like When You Know What Kind Of A Person Someone Is (Considering The Fact That You Insist That You "Love Them") And You Know For A Fact That The Other Person Is Really Kind, Selfless, Loving, Has Good Values And Is Honest To A Fault. Who Has Been Nothing But Rock Solid For You And Your Family And You KNOW It, But No! Just Because She Has Said No To You, Rejected You,Your Ego Took A Giant Hit And Can't Handle Rejection And Now There Is No Positive Left In The Person You Supposedly "Love"?? You Are An Ungracious, Ungrateful, Selfish Asshole Who Is Also Mighty Dishonest. You Lie To Yourself If You Think You "Love" Sai Joshi. You Don't, You "Love" And "Appreciate" Sai Till She Doesn't Challenges You. Oh My Goodness! God forbid If She Doesn't Play The Role Of Dutiful Loving Wife (A Person To Who On The Day Of Your Wedding You Established That You May Never Love Her And She Should Not Expect You To Be Her Husband, As She Is Just Your Responsibility And YOU FREAKING LOVE SOMEONE ELSE?) ARE YOU BLOODY KIDDING ME!!??

Considering Or Even Not Considering Anything How Dare She Reject You? Right?🤦

You Are Absolute Garbage For Sai Mr. Virat Chavan. She Deserves Much Better Than You.

Sai Deserves Someone Honest, Someone Who Don't Pretend Or Live On A Fallacy Of Being A "Modern Man"... But Who Actually Respect Women. Who Believe There Are No Set Gender Roles! Both The Gender Are Free To Be What They Chose And How They Choose To Be. Like Cooking Is Not Just For Women Because Most Great & Famous Chef Are Men etc.

Sai Is So Well Brought Up By Her Abba, She Deserves A Man In The Image Of Her Abba.

Virat Is The Kind Of Man Who Is Problematic. They Believe They Are Hero Kind But Actually They Are The Anti Hero Type, They Have Enough Positives That Tick All The Orthodox & Conservative Set Gender Check Boxes To Have Their Erroneous & Hugely Problematic Ego & Drawbacks To Be Overlooked!


Having Said These Things, I Want To Clarify My Observation Are Solely About The Characters And In No Way, Shape Or Form Are They A Judgement Or Comment On The Actors Enacting These Fictious Characters, This Has Nothing To Do With Them.

Mr. Neil Bhatt, Mrs Aishwarya Sharma And Ms. Ayesha Singh (Including All The Cast Members Of The Show Are Doing Commendable Job!👍) They Are So Good At Evoking Responses And The Writing Is Good Enough To Make Conversation Happen, I Believe That's A Job Well Done. So Kudos To The Crew And The Writers! 👏

And The Fact That I Absolutely Agree With Your Astute And Detailed Observations. I Too Believe The Same, This Is Not A Wholesome Relationship But A Toxic One, And They Are Neither A Good Match Nor The Right Fit For Eachother.

Sorry For The Long Or Wrong Reply And For Starting This Conversation. 🙏✌️

Edited by TV-K-BetukeBS - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
#46

He Does, He "Asks" For It But True Acceptance Of One's Fault And Guilt Is To Change Their Ways, And Not "Raat Gayi, Baat Gayi, So Jao Ab Coz Maafi Mil Gayi"!!. Arre! Bhai Uski Almost Jaan Leli Tumne Thoda Toh Shrm Khao,Thoda Toh Lihaaz Rakho. And What About Ajhinkya Does He Not Deserves An Apology. Agr Kal Ko Samrat Ya Mohit Virat Ko Peete Just Because He Is A Good Friend To Their Wife And Then Conveniently Forgets Them And Don't Even Think That He Is Important Enough To Deserve An Apology After Insulting Him And His Own wife. Like Really? Damn! Man!

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Posted: 4 years ago
#47

Thanks for the tag Asmi, had a very busy day & wanted to reply to this post leisurely. Saw the episode in the night because yesterday's was decent & boy oh boy I have never had such a huge problem with Virat's behaviour or the way this show deals with mental and domestic abuse nonchalantly as much as today.


What a beautiful write-up Asmi❤️


Sometimes the goody goody phases in a love story make two people think that they are absolutely perfect together and what they have in between them is unwavering love, it is when the obstacles come out that the true characteristics in each of the individuals come out. This is why we see so many couples seperating after years, people always say things like how can two people divorce after 10/15/20 years of marriage but what they fail to understand is that circumstances arise to show you realities you probably never needed to see earlier. You have explained beautifully how Virat was deeply attracted to Sai through each of their initial experiences of living with each other & how Sai gradually grew to respect and adore him.


Love is a very complicated emotion, being in love with someone is never enough to survive with each other for a lifetime. Over a point if two people cannot respect and trust each other, there is no point in prolonging.


And if there is a cycle of abuse and forgiveness that goes on and on, there will be so much toxicity and unhealthiness in that relationship or marriage. It will break them at some point or other and bring out the worst in each of them too. It is better for each of their peace of minds to distance, think and decide whether they promise to give each other a civil chance or not. But here that looks very difficult, Virat refuses to accept that what he's doing is domestic abuse, refuses to accept that his ex tries to manipulate his marriage as far as possible & that her presence will never give him a happy marriage. He is somewhere emotionally not being totally loyal to Sai if he claims he's in love with her. When you love someone, you don't love them at your convenience. Difference of opinions does not mean you publically humiliate your spouse or condemn them for trying to be independent. He's so triggered by the fact that she plans to try being financially and personally independent. His affections for her are so unstable and non-trustworthy. He was ok with all her actions while he thought he stood a chance, the moment the chance looked like it has vanished he's become such a disturbing husband. The way he said today, mujhe kya mila hai....boy, it infuriated me a lot. What does he want? If he gets what he wants, what will he do next? It's not just about ego and hurt, it's about wanting total control over a woman he calls his wife knowing all she aims in her life is to first be independent and self sufficient. This can never work till both sides agree to self reflect and improve and specially Virat needs to let go of the other woman's hold in his marriage, life and acknowledge that he's equally flawed as a human & needs to address disturbing characteristics in himself.


This was beautiful:

Haan bahut kuch hua hai tum dono ke beech Virat...pichle ek saal mei...use bas wahi rehne do...Wo bahut saare jazbaat the, bahut majboot jazbaat the, par pyaar nahi......


Haan Sai kuch to tha tum dono k beech, lekin use bas wahi rehne do...use pyaar mat mei badalne do..


💔Dil tootna hi hai inka kabhi na kabhi💔



Edited by Tapdance - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
#48

Beautifully written and expressed Asmi👏I could relate to each and every word and emotion in your post❤️

Virat has been such a disappointment lately that I just don't have the energy to talk about him anymore. But from what I have assessed about him is he is a guy who over commits and under delivers. He doesn't bring practicality into picture when he goes into that mode. This is in reference how he treated both the women in his life.

I feel this entire mess started when Sunny told him that what he feels for Sai is love. That wasn't love, that was just attraction. Virat should have been left to himself to slowly realised whether what he feels for Sai is actually love. Because his upbringing and mental conditioning are just not suited for an independent and free spirited girl. His thought process hits so close to home for me because I have seen many people around me who want an educated and working girl as a life partner. But the moment that woman starts thinking for herself and takes charge of how her money should be handled, the problem arises. Virat used to always give preference to Sai's studies. He used to feel proud of her that she is going to become a very successful doctor. But the moment Sai takes a step towards taking her own decisions or taking charge of her money, Virat's ego is hurt.

Virat hasn't experienced true love. Both his encounters with the women in his life have only been about attraction. He has some distorted version of love which is not what Sai deserves. Pakhi might be completely ok with that kind of love. So Sai and Virat are completely mismatched personalities.

I still haven't even gone to the most frustrating part of the relationship. The importance that Virat gives his ex in his life. It's just horrible. I can't even imagine how claustrophobic it would be for Sai to be in marriage where Virat's ex would always be given first preference. No woman deserves to be in such a marriage.

I just hope and pray that some weird twist of fate, the story changes and Virat and Sai go separate. That's my only wish at this point of time🤞🤞

I don't know if anything of what I wrote made sense. All my scattered thoughts have been put in this post. I haven't expressed any of the disgust I have towards Virat because this character isn't even worth that now.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Never apologise for the wrong posts and do have a look at the TM's post🤪

Yeah Virat Chavan is very real and thats what scares me......Thats what makes me want to protect Sai, because this real Virat has the tendency to take away the Sai Joshi, in Sai Joshi Chavan...

Had it been a fraudulent marriage, a marriage of revenge, well you know from the beginning that this not real...this does not happen in real life...So you know that this is a fantasy sorry.. But marriage like Sairat is real , the circumstances could be close to what was shown and how it was... And that is why its even more scary. The reality of it all staring at you....

It's all about the silver linings. As much real as it is, it's equally unreal. You wouldn't find sisters-in-law, going after their brothers-in-law, or a person without a support system outside their house. Especially a student. Elders usually aren't as vindictive and I don't think the whole conflicts just don't happen. Simply because people in real life are too busy. People do not have the time to sit and contemplate each and every action. Even they do, it'll be the 1 or 2 elders. I think the pressure to put up images forces people to be nice. Because society always hold you accountable And also, so many people wouldn't simply live together. Virat's job would have given him at east 5-6 staff at home, including a cook. So yeah, this show by showing only one side of the coin, is also showing what's on the other side.

By showing us what's wrong through exaggeration of every situation, it's showing us what should be right, what should be sane, what should be ideal and what is real. I think that should be our take away.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Great post, Asmi. Well analysed and beautifully written. I do not agree with everything, but I agree with a lot. I posted somewhere else about whether Sunny is the one that defined it as love and whether Virat is actually in love with Sai. My view is that, despite everything and his disgusting actions, what he feels for her is love. That does not mean he deserves to be with her though. I thought I would share the view here also.

I am unsure about the idea of being in love with Sai was given to Virat by Sunny. Sunny pushed Virat to confess his feelings after watching him, but it was Virat himself that was trying to confess and specifically said he loved Sai during the Holi track.

Sunny, in my view, at that time only implanted the idea to Virat that he should confess his feelings, he did not tell Virat what they were. Much later on after the pool incident, Sunny says that Sai has beginning falling in love with Virat and that Virat loves Sai. Even during some of his earlier monologues he cannot fully bring himself to say I am in love with Sai, as he stops just short of saying the word love. I'm not sure Virat has rushed straight into believing he is in love. As he has said in a lot of his monologues from the 200th episode to the episode after the college fest, he was/has begun falling in love with her. As he also said to PK during the cafe scene, what he has with Sai is what he calls love because the feeling he has towards Sai has just continued to increase and increase. I think that cystalises in his mind by the time the anniversary track comes around, as in his dream sequence he actually confesses he loves her and when she is asleep, he confesses that he loves her, rather than is falling or starting to fall in love with her.

Love does come in different forms and emanates in different ways depending who you talk to. There will be some who have the love and passion at first sight and that is it and they will tell you that is their love. You also have people who come together (e.g. through arranged marriages) where love is not there at the start, but it grows as they get to know each other and build a life. That is what Virat's and Sai's love is for each other. They were not in love (maybe there was an attraction), but those feelings have developed as they have spent more time together and seen each other's true self. I have also seen this first hand where couples who have been together for 20-30 years who are very much in love, but did not start their marriage/relationship with love, it grew.

A consensus view emerging from the recent track is that Virat does not love Sai because of his behaviour. That may be correct, it may be not. I am not sure where I fall exactly on this topic, or if I am married to a particular view. I am leaning on, and at the moment I am of the view, that Virat does love Sai. That is likely to be a controversial opinion. I think he has previously felt what he thought to be love for PK and he knows what his feelings are for Sai. He has the information himself to know why his feelings for Sai are different to feelings he has ever felt before and why this is love. As I said above, he has felt that love increase for Sai as time has moved on. That being said, I despise his actions and conduct through the last few weeks (or one night in Ghum!) and I agree that it would be better for them to separate and for Virat to find someone with whom all this baggage does not exist and for Sai to become independent and decide how she wants to spend her life. Notwithstanding that point, I still think Virat loves Sai. This includes putting to one side that he himself and the story is that he does love her. There has been a lot of problematic conduct and toxicity from Virat's side and mistakes from Sai's side (I do not consider her to be toxic in the same way as Virat, but I do not consider her to be without flaws and not too have contributed to the misunderstandings between them), but Virat's vile conduct, unfortunately, reflects real world and the hurt that a lot of people suffer and how this leads to this type of conduct, which only comes from being hurt by someone you love. I do not think he would have treated someone he did not love the way he has been treating Sai, because he would not feel that hurt in the same way and want to push that person away. You tend to lash out the worst at the people you love and trust the most. I tentatively use PK as an example. Leaving to one side his siding with PK, which is another topic and issue in itself, he has never been so vile with PK because he never loved her so what she did never affected him in the same way. He did softly rebuke her for the Shivani track and when she made fun of Sai when UM was feeding her, but at that time he was not fully sure what he felt for her and what he was beginning to feel for Sai. The time when he was in love with Sai and he did something was on Sai's birthday, when he grabbed her. This was because she hurt Sai, who he does love so that did affect him (not defending him man handling PK, which he should not have done). The other time was post Sai's accident when he was again very rude and harsh to her (deservedly so) and told her she had such ghatia thoughts, can continue to stoop as low as she wanted, to stop her drama and that she should blame only herself for her misery. This was him lashing out in a way he had not done before with PK when she did something that deeply affected him, i.e. deliberately tried to sabotage Sai and come between them.

He is lashing out at Sai and trying to hurt her and make himself hate her because she has rejected him and his love in a way he never thought she would and he does not know how to get away from the pain he is feeling. It was one thing for her to keep saying this was a deal marriage and she would leave, but what she said to him during the anniversary track was the realisation from his side that she will never move from this position, to understand him and his love for her (again, he is to share most of the blame for this), and for her to love him. This is why when they got back, he was indifferent and trying to set the clear boundaries of not wanting her to interfere, be involved in his life, assert any right. He was trying to show her a different side to him as he had said he would and distance himself. That was as much as him building up his walls and trying to protect himself from further falling in love with her, as much as it was to show her the difference between a true deal marriage, as she keeps telling him they have, and a marriage during which he has shown and showered her with his love that he hoped she would see and understand.

Where he changed and became truly vile was post Sai cancelling his transfer. As I said, his conduct cannot be defended, but I think why his behaviour became do despicable is because of the further hurt he is going through at that stage. He needs to be away from her to recover and move on from the rejection of the only woman he has actually loved (not PK, as he knows this was attraction/infatuation/friendship) because she made it plain to him that he was never going to be her future, but she is not letting him get away. He is trying to suppress his feelings, his love and his hurt as he says to her, in his monologue and to Sunny/Samrat (Cannot remember which).This is leading to more confusion from his part again that she would do this, but then he crashes back down hard when he hears her say that she did this for the family and not because she loves him. She is asserting rights and interfering with his life where she keeps telling him she has no rights and there is no future. This immediately puts them at loggerheads, not least because of their continued misunderstandings.

As a man in love, who is deeply hurt and scorned, he can't be away from her so the only thing he can do to shield himself from the further hurt is to persuade himself that she is a problem for him and that he hates her. I think it's common place that when you fall out or are deeply hurt by the person you love the most, you start to lash out the most and everything turns into an argument and you say things that you shouldn't that you know will hurt the other person, which at the time you don't think about but you later (sometimes much late) realise that it would and that is why you said it. I'm not sure why people do or the psychology around it, but it does happen. Each time again Sai does something to remind him there is no future, she rejects his love and does not need him, it is a further bullet shot to a man that is already on life support. That is why each shot makes him angrier and lashing out more. I think this is why he goes from also at least reacting with the right expression (even if he is not saying anything, but should) and even calling her out on the one night by telling her Sai puts her down because she puts herself in that situation, but has now moved to non-expressions or even agreeing with the vile things PK is saying. He is too emotional and caught up in his own self-pity of hurt and rejection that he is not seeing the hurt his actions and lack thereof is causing Sai.

All that being said, and I am not sure I have expressed myself clearly or as eloquently as others do, but I think notwithstanding everything, including that Virat is a deeply flawed individual for a lot of reasons, I do believe he does love Sai. As I have said above thought, love in itself is not everything and does not mean they should be together. Love is not enough in itself, there needs to be respect and trust. This is something Virat knows himself. The trust part is debateable, but there is definitely no respect at this time coming from him, so that is why I do not think they should be together, but that does mean I don't think he loves her, I think he does.

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