Some one Needs to Talk to Virat and Sai - Page 3

Than how did they get back together and can you share the write up of the whole hospital track please

Thanks for the tag Asmi. I will come back to this post. Need to gather my thoughts on this.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

If its is not that then what , when he wants Sai to suffer , to feel loneliness, to feel alone knowing she has no one in general...knowing she is at threat in GC.. just because she left him...just because she released him from his responsibilities as a guardian.. In any case, she was free to go whenever she wanted right...

ANd the fact that, it will never be revealed that she had that accident saving someone else and not because she was to suffer, because she decided to leave that "loving" family... they are going that route only...

Lets see but I have my doubts on this Asmi. What is the point of showing her trying to save someone and get into the accident if they weren't going to reveal it🤔, they could have had a truck hit the car she was traveling naa. I think the whole scene was to show the nth time that she is selfless and prove the CN and bff's that they are wrong 👎🏼

What a heart breaking post, Asmi!

I haven't watched today. I don't want to watch. It's really sad what they have done with Sairat, it's pathetic.

Because I didn't watch Virat today, I was trying to think about the fact that one year of Ghum and we are actually back to square one. Virat is firmly on Pakhi's side, there's no arguing this. Virat and Sai are so far apart in values and character that Sairat seems impossible.

The first episode started with Virat and Sai in two different worlds. And on Monday, it again seems like they are in different worlds.

Maybe just maybe they will build their relationship from scratch? From a point of true understanding of each other rather than being placed together? I wish they take a different path. I am saying this because I know ultimately in the show, they will bring them back together.

But I don't want to analyse so deeply anymore. It's not worth it. I absolutely know it's going to follow a pre determined path.

There will be always emotional infidelity and negligence from his part.. Only I could conclude this much.. I still could read his mind even after locking her up because there were do many small detailing in that episode.. Only until he raised question on her upbringings and then remained mute when his ex was insulting his mentality ill sister.. From that very moment I can't consider him even as a human..

It's not like that there are no chances he can be reformed.. He will learn from hardest way..Sai's accident isn't going to change anything for him.. He will be back to self pity mode if she doesn't accept him ..

Right now he wants to establish his right as her husband that's all.. He cant imagine that Sai may find another better guy than him.. Sai will be better off separating from him... It's all kind of ego..

@Asmi

In the other thread you have opened.. As I said the more we talk about them the more ph and them will come with new antics....I Am not allowed to open up other facts here.. Otherwise it'will get closed.. This cold war between fans and ph isn't good sign anyways..

Originally posted by: Potterhead3009

*Sorry for the long rant

This is such a thought provoking post ❤️

Coming to the content of it, when you were describing Virat, I realised that he's real. What ever description you gave of him, is not just something from reel, but real. You would find a Virat in almost all men today, at least parts of him. As a 21st century man that was raised in very much patriarchal joint family, yet ruled by a matriarch, that is exactly where the seed of Virat's 2-personality life came into being. On one side, in the dynamics of his parents, his father held the crown, suddenly turning towards his family as whole, his aunt controlled stuff. The opinion that men should always be in control is both supported and negated in this situation.

His relationship with Sai, had it been a real life one, should have taken the most natural course of sustaining. In the absence of speeding heart beats, electric touches and cool breezes thus thus a relationship that had the capacity to grow into the strongest of ones. Simply because, it's 2 humans. 2 humans bound by circumstances. Their marriage wouldn't have been their 1st choice, but it wasn't a revenge marriage or a fraudulent one or something of that sort. When Virat described to Sai that she should have no expectations, I cheered. He was saying the truth wasn't he ? In a situation where the other woman is physically absent, the strain in their relationship would have been less stronger. But , Patralekha was in front of their eyes. Reminding Virat that he broke a promise and reminding Sai that she had no one, for herself.

Virat gets influenced, easily. He's a man that wears his sleeve on his heart. His promise to Patralekha, his regards of Samrat's feelings and his promise to Kamal Joshi. All of them stem out of the good part in him. But when you wear your heart on you sleeve, it's equally easier for him to get hurt. Spending time with Sai, observing her as she is in the confines of their bedroom, not just as a stubborn girl from Gadchiroli, but as just Sai, created feelings in him. Feelings that once again, made him falsely believe were love. Just like with Patralekha. Had the realization come naturally to him, without any prompting, as be he would have upheld values of love.

His guilt of seeing Patralekha alone, gravitated him to her side in the early days of his marriage. Once again his big heart. But the dynamics changed. Sai made a place for herself and this gave rise to expectations. When he feels, they were not met, the patriarchal Virat comes out. The one that accuses his wife, the one that manhandles her and the one that kicks her out at night. He's the villain of his story. The Bad Virat.

Not very unsurprisingly, Virat is a representation of real humans. The good and bad. The evil and kind. The conservative and liberal. He's the kind of guy that wants the butterfly to fly but in the confines of a sanctuary.

Like you, the moment the defined SaiRat for me was the more when applies baking soda to Sai's feet. This wasn't ACP Virat Chavan fulfilling his responsibilities to his teacher. This was the husband Virat Chavan, taking care of his wife, because she did something that gave birth to wife in her for the first time. And that is exactly when the husband in him was born as well. What happened in that scene wasn't love. Not romance. It was the birth of a role for Virat Chavan. As a husband. A role that he would handle and mishandle. It was also a moment that made him imagine for a minute, Sai as his wife, not a ward.

I might hate SaiRat now, I might think they're the most toxic couple on earth. But tomorrow when he cries infront of her or for her, I know that I'll melt and go back to being a shipper. But that's me. And my toxic relationship with SaiRat. But I'm a human and I'm fallacious. My mistakes and faults are allowed and to an extent, excusable, as long as they affect only me. The second it causes harm to a second person, I'm to be held liable. The onus is on me, to correct myself. The same with Virat Chavan.

Never apologise for the wrong posts and do have a look at the TM's post🤪

Yeah Virat Chavan is very real and thats what scares me......Thats what makes me want to protect Sai, because this real Virat has the tendency to take away the Sai Joshi, in Sai Joshi Chavan...

Had it been a fraudulent marriage, a marriage of revenge, well you know from the beginning that this not real...this does not happen in real life...So you know that this is a fantasy sorry.. But marriage like Sairat is real , the circumstances could be close to what was shown and how it was... And that is why its even more scary. The reality of it all staring at you....

You have written so so beautifully Asmi. I had planned to not write anything today on the forum because I was really triggered by Virat’s ‘wishes’ for Sai. I have mentioned here before - I work with orphaned children and we do get our girls married and all, and to see that level of negativity, that too in response to some expectation he had from her that he never said in words - it was really hard to digest. He also said that Sai used Devi - again something very strong and very negative. What family is he talking about by the way? The family that taunts her, ill treats her and calls her names - in front of him, no less - with no repercussions?!

The dialogues he said to that woman in the cafe come to mind - that he loves without expectations, and will support his love no matter what - and like you said, he is himself falling short of that idealistic view he has of himself and ‘love’ - or maybe how he behaves ‘in love’. This cannot be love - this is that woman’s words talking through him - which in itself shows a dangerous level of emotional co-dependence that no wife would be ok with. Ashwini is also married to a husband for whom his emotional bond with his bhabhi is stronger than his feelings for his wife. If Virat was truly his mother’s child and not his father’s (as he seems to be upset when it is indicated as such), he would see how much this hurts.

This time Sai did not ask him questions that he could not answer truthfully - unless he wanted to protect his ‘bhabhi’. I did not like how she behaved during his surprise for her, but after that she really has been quite mature and open with him about what is her issue. He instead chose to band together with the person who is the issue (“hum ne”, “hum ko” - as they both said in front of Sai) and abuse and taunt her. That woman continues to poison him after saying barely 4-5 days (I guess in Ghum time?) that she loves him and wants to be kept by him, and that Sai was a ‘shani’ in her life. Does he think she changed so much in these few days? He allowed his wife who was saying the truth to be branded a liar and talked to nastily in front of the whole family, but is not able to take a negative word said against his ‘bhabhi’, even from her own husband?!

You said it absolutely - the tides have turned. I don’t even write SaiRat any more - only Sai and Virat - because SaiRat has no meaning. What I am really manifesting is that the psychiatrist can be the person who atleast talks openly to Sai and who Sai talks openly to - and shares all the abuse, torture and harassment she has suffered at the hands of everyone in that house. She needs to talk about how she feels like a third wheel in her own marriage - what someone who should have been “KBA” but is not - has made her feel. She should talk about how her husband, the ‘women’s safety in-charge’, treats her - trying to discipline her to change her and fit her into some outdated notion of what a ‘good wife and bahu in a joint family’ should be like. Sai Joshi was a firebrand standing up for justice and doing right. Sai Virat Chavan has lost that somewhere between “maata kumaata” and loving an abusive jerk.

I am repeating what I said a couple of days back in the forum. The behaviour demonstrated by Virat here is similar to the behaviour of the ex-husband of the lead of the top show. That character is like an antagonist. Here he is supposed to be the hero. It is really hard to remember that when such dialogues and actions are shoved in our faces. It seems to be very bad writing and direction and acting (in fact I was really irritated today - some nuances in writing and dialogues would have really just lifted it - but no!). Maybe they thought they are trying to justify why Sai comes back to CN through this dialogue - for the family that she has always craved or whatever - but it came across as crass, insensitive and arrogant AF.

Lastly - you know - I always believe you love someone FOR who they are, not DESPITE who they are - because then it’s not really love, it’s just conditional. I thought Virat was the former for some time, but he is not even the latter. He doesn’t love her. Love doesn’t make you talk like this, with arrogance and disgusting attitude. This point kind of makes me sad, but more for Sai than anything else, that she actually loves this character. Khair, anyway TRPs are talking and they only talk, so any further analysis of the characters and their behaviour is a waste. It will only be determined by what works for the TRP audience. Anyway who the hell are we to sit and put our minds together and analyse their characters. We really should stop.

let mekeep this postvery simple : 2 insecure people cannot live together, one want to show the male power otjer want wings to flymshe was flying freely as she was taught to be like that.sai is not a doll to control. virat was so spineless. loved samrat in precap.devar bhabhi deserve each other🤢

didi aakar padegi aur insta mein fans ko instigate karegi.thank god my ship never sailed.

Originally posted by: archanan14

You have written so so beautifully Asmi. I had planned to not write anything today on the forum because I was really triggered by Virat’s ‘wishes’ for Sai. I have mentioned here before - I work with orphaned children and we do get our girls married and all, and to see that level of negativity, that too in response to some expectation he had from her that he never said in words - it was really hard to digest. He also said that Sai used Devi - again something very strong and very negative. What family is he talking about by the way? The family that taunts her, ill treats her and calls her names - in front of him, no less - with no repercussions?!

The dialogues he said to that woman in the cafe come to mind - that he loves without expectations, and will support his love no matter what - and like you said, he is himself falling short of that idealistic view he has of himself and ‘love’ - or maybe how he behaves ‘in love’. This cannot be love - this is that woman’s words talking through him - which in itself shows a dangerous level of emotional co-dependence that no wife would be ok with. Ashwini is also married to a husband for whom his emotional bond with his bhabhi is stronger than his feelings for his wife. If Virat was truly his mother’s child and not his father’s (as he seems to be upset when it is indicated as such), he would see how much this hurts.

This time Sai did not ask him questions that he could not answer truthfully - unless he wanted to protect his ‘bhabhi’. I did not like how she behaved during his surprise for her, but after that she really has been quite mature and open with him about what is her issue. He instead chose to band together with the person who is the issue (“hum ne”, “hum ko” - as they both said in front of Sai) and abuse and taunt her. That woman continues to poison him after saying barely 4-5 days (I guess in Ghum time?) that she loves him and wants to be kept by him, and that Sai was a ‘shani’ in her life. Does he think she changed so much in these few days? He allowed his wife who was saying the truth to be branded a liar and talked to nastily in front of the whole family, but is not able to take a negative word said against his ‘bhabhi’, even from her own husband?!

You said it absolutely - the tides have turned. I don’t even write SaiRat any more - only Sai and Virat - because SaiRat has no meaning. What I am really manifesting is that the psychiatrist can be the person who atleast talks openly to Sai and who Sai talks openly to - and shares all the abuse, torture and harassment she has suffered at the hands of everyone in that house. She needs to talk about how she feels like a third wheel in her own marriage - what someone who should have been “KBA” but is not - has made her feel. She should talk about how her husband, the ‘women’s safety in-charge’, treats her - trying to discipline her to change her and fit her into some outdated notion of what a ‘good wife and bahu in a joint family’ should be like. Sai Joshi was a firebrand standing up for justice and doing right. Sai Virat Chavan has lost that somewhere between “maata kumaata” and loving an abusive jerk.

I am repeating what I said a couple of days back in the forum. The behaviour demonstrated by Virat here is similar to the behaviour of the ex-husband of the lead of the top show. That character is like an antagonist. Here he is supposed to be the hero. It is really hard to remember that when such dialogues and actions are shoved in our faces. It seems to be very bad writing and direction and acting (in fact I was really irritated today - some nuances in writing and dialogues would have really just lifted it - but no!). Maybe they thought they are trying to justify why Sai comes back to CN through this dialogue - for the family that she has always craved or whatever - but it came across as crass, insensitive and arrogant AF.

Lastly - you know - I always believe you love someone FOR who they are, not DESPITE who they are - because then it’s not really love, it’s just conditional. I thought Virat was the former for some time, but he is not even the latter. He doesn’t love her. Love doesn’t make you talk like this, with arrogance and disgusting attitude. This point kind of makes me sad, but more for Sai than anything else, that she actually loves this character. Khair, anyway TRPs are talking and they only talk, so any further analysis of the characters and their behaviour is a waste. It will only be determined by what works for the TRP audience. Anyway who the hell are we to sit and put our minds together and analyse their characters. We really should stop.

Since you work with orphans, you would know the pain...truly you would..

I have seen various forms of love, and this is the most dangerous one...Its very selfish and harming to the other person...

About Forest King...Well Virat Chavan is not that , because here he is supposed to be the hero...Forest King was always the villain. So thats where the difference lie..And Sai is no FL from that show...They are two different people, there circumstances different....Sai has fallen here in this situation, being the strong person that she is because fate was unfair to her, because what Virat wishes her to see, came upon her, without having him to wish that for her... She might not have the fate of that FL in the marriage..She will have the good days...But the problem is such good days and the wait for them would make her go through the bad days and also the frequency of such good days would keep decreasing...Sai's situation is very complex and heart wrenching...