All the things Wrong - Page 8

Originally posted by: -abz-

Raghav didn't get a chance to acknowledge himself. He is in fact running away from him. He is hurting Pallavi in that process. I will be frank and direct to say this out every time, I am and will always be on Pallavi's side. More than Raghav, Pallavi has pulled me to her side. What he did to her in the past two episodes are horrific, he has hurt her tremendously but his demons need a calming embrace. Pallavi cannot give that to him, he needs to see through it himself. She is not some superhuman.

His anger issues need an assurance, an anchor. Neither Pallavi nor Amma can give that to him. It is Raghav who needs to see through himself. People holding such mental calamity usually deny their issues in front.

I love Raghav but that doesn't mean I condone his bad behavior. We've been saying from early days that he needs therapy, in fact Amma and Keerti do as well. His family can't help him get out of this pit he's in.

@bold, he has been saying some pretty horrible things to her in his drunken state especially but what is she doing to him? She's hurting that part of him that's never been healed and every action of hers now is making that wound deeper.

Her initial intent was right -I totally agree with her and understand her concerns but her methods are completely wrong. She knows what he went through earlier in his life, how much it hurt him in the past. If she doesn't want to heal him, fine. She doesn't need to. But stepping on those wounds and hurting him this way in the name of reforming him? If this is the approach she wanted to take then she either underestimated the situation or she was mentally prepared for him to lash out, in which case this shouldn't be a surprise to her. You can't mess with an existing wound and then blame the person for lashing out in pain. The worse part is that she will probably not show him remorse for the methods she's using.

What I see is a wife who's bitten off more than she can chew and now her ego is getting the better of her because she wants to prove something. Being able to reform him would give her satisfaction that she turned him round to her way. As Raghav said, she wouldn't understand where he's coming from because she's never been in that situation herself, so I don't expect her to be able to empathize fully. She can't look away and accept his illegal dealings, fine. But she started this entire reformation campaign by antagonizing him and putting him in a humiliating position, and with lectures that are disconnected from reality and that he can't relate to. The more she triggers him the more he acts out and now both are in this vicious cycle. It is unfair to blame only him for his terrible actions because she is hurting him every single second, knowingly. Action and reaction. Just as her actions are extreme, so are his reactions.

I am disappointed because I wanted her to be able to use her experiences with him to find the best way to appeal to his better angels. Because that exists and that would enable him to go to the ends of the earth for her. It's her love that's supposed to have had the power to get through to him but right now she's been telling him off non-stop and not listening. She says she wants to understand him but I have not once seen this effort since this track started. Also, her first reaction after discovering the truth about the diamonds was to blame him for Abhishek's death. Where have we heard this before, I wonder? She knows that he still feels that burden of guilt but adds one on here. I'm not saying she shouldn't care about his safety or get him to stop his illegal activities but this isn't the way. Only Ayi's words had her rethink for a few seconds, but she walked out of there with the plan to turn him into Raghav 2.0. She had already made up her mind without the space or thought about really trying to see his perspective. And then she says I knew it, you'd choose money over me, in a huge insult to his emotions for her. Does that not hurt him?

Why does valuing money automatically equal to not choosing her? He wants to have both. And the morning after that she went to her simple lifestyle without trying to talk to him about what she was trying to do, and the Motwani situation didn't help. I don't think she understands Raghav fully yet. If she wanted to give him shock therapy, well the shock part is working, not the therapy part.

Being cruel to be kind isn't cutting it. Also, pati sudharo missions are overrated. This is going downhill either way.

Originally posted by: Isamreen

Here I second you for everything.

Pls read my second post on this topic " Extreme Ideologies"

My intention here is to call out makers on taking this to extremes and making him a criminal and drunkard.

I know they will Sudharofy the OG character as it was meant to be coz this is Star Plus and even Gorintaku the ML had to change his ways.

But I don't like how they are taking this, making him an unreasonable, egoistic, ragebind who is going to regret a lot in future.

After this his every thought every action will be questionable. His very being will be shaken to the core.

Maybe Amma will leave him for good. He will be alone like he was earlier and that would be so unbearable for him.

So this all will guarantee the Raghav 2.0 we were so dreading. Which was totally unnecessary, things could have been handled mildly without so much of harsh talks, heartache and heart brake.

I just wanted to point this to the makers.

Well the makers have their own plans, no clue what they are thinking here. I am sure it will manifest soon. But this show has often shown us a lot of crude, extreme things and while they do subtle scenes well they also like OTT drama. At least they gave us a warning through Raghav that they were about to unleash the storm in him.

Raghav has always had a problem with drinking, so the bigger the problem, the worse the drinking.

I don't want to make this a Pallavi vs. Raghav thing but the writers clearly have. This is their way of introducing conflict in the relationship so here we are.

Originally posted by: Lonelythots

Actually pallavi had seen him at his worst and then he asked for a chance himself and she gave him.. then she thought he sudhrofies and went and put him on a pedestal.. and now the rose tinted glasses have fallen and hence even he has fallen from the pedestal.. i think this is really the right time for pallavi to introspect.. she has seen him at his best and worst.. what is the kind of life she wants to have.. is it worth it for her to keep getting hurt n keep fixing things that she doesnt like in him or the wrong things in him?

am honestly so surprised that amma hasnt interfered or spoken to him seeing how things are bad between raghav n pallavi. not even the general advice that she gives him to have patience and look at things with maturity??? Yes she is on pallavi’s side but why not try and have a convo with him and provide him a different perspective ? May be he will listen to her.. he has listened to her advices attentively previously and mulled before concluding.. and she has always since marriage been afvicing him so what happened in this track?

Well that's what Ayi tried to explain to her, that some things you accept and others you resolve to change. It's never easy. Even if Raghav weren't temperamental, his habits are ingrained and they will take a long time to change. She's being unrealistic by expecting quick results.

I don't know if Amma is the right person to advise him. The CVs have conveniently ignored the part that Amma's bad parenting played in making him who he is today. Sigh....

Originally posted by: Isamreen

I totally skipped Hyderabad track for the same and SunKeer.

They had bad days in theri relationship previously.

Both of them made mistakes and came out of it .

But this has become so one- sided.

I have given up on them showing anything related to pall. So much time and SS is given to all the other things like other random things but her backstory is not given.

As I said we feel connected to Raghav coz we knew who he was before he became RR, his struggle, his hardship, how he build the empire everything.

But we don't know who is Pallavi Sawant, her struggles, why she is so taken with D's everything.

Guess they are selective or bigoted

@bold, I find this extremely frustrating that at nearly 200 episodes we don't have her back story. These writers know how to craft arcs so I feel it's deliberate.

It's ok if they want to keep it a suspense but they should show some bits here and there. By the time they actually explore her past, people would have lost patience/hope and it may not have such an impact. Who knows?

Originally posted by: subbuappu

I am just not liking sending Raghav on guilt trip 2.0... You don't need to make Raghav 2.0 ... Just the need is for Raghav 1.1

The guy has a passion to make money... Let him do it. All you need is to show to get that done by legal methods.. thats all where you have to arrive. They changed the entire narrative overnight... It started with that concept and from this whole sudharofy got ???

Agree totally with this, especially the Raghav 1.1 bit.

Why do the makers even bother wid character progression when all they do next is butcher all the progress and ruin everything they had once built.

Honestly what I think is makers are not hearing what they should be hearing and instead taking inputs from a lot of immature fans.

Two advices that they hv taken are..

1. Fans want RaghVi together ( even if it means them hurting or humiliating each other )

2. Fans like angry RR.

So der you go. They took those two things and served the audience something they think is serving both the purpose and still taking the story forward.

Only if they spent some actual time in thinking everything through.

I am glad I kept my expectations subpar this tym . So it hurts less.

Show is slowly moving from standing apart to average .

Originally posted by: inlieu

Well that's what Ayi tried to explain to her, that some things you accept and others you resolve to change. It's never easy. Even if Raghav weren't temperamental, his habits are ingrained and they will take a long time to change. She's being unrealistic by expecting quick results.

I don't know if Amma is the right person to advise him. The CVs have conveniently ignored the part that Amma's bad parenting played in making him who he is today. Sigh....

Jean, I have read all your posts on this topic and I agree with your thoughts . A few thoughts that I had , there is no perfect person in this world and how marriage works is if the glove fits the hand then we know whatever issues come the couple stand United to tackle it. Also , the track that they are showing now is a mere disagreement on how he conducts his business within the boundaries of law but they have taken it somewhere else now and it’s become about changing Raghav.

Changing somebody is not healthy as well because if the change is not coming from their heart then they end being unhappy and there is no end to it as there will be always be something that you won’t like in your partner and so you end up being unhappy as well . Acceptance of the person as they are, is what love is all about .

Also as a wife or a husband we don’t jump to taking extreme measures to make your partner agree, right from the start. We do test the waters and there is a gradual progression in there and you end at the extremity but here she is not first of all having those conversations or listening to what he has to say and jumped to the extreme end of challenging his ego and pride which hurt him as he must not have expected that from her and so his reactions to her actions are going to be equally hurtful. But we know he is feeling hurt while hurting her .

Guess ITV expects these loud OTT drama to attract audiences and not delve into meaningful conversations and logical real life scenes which is also drama

Originally posted by: inlieu

I love Raghav but that doesn't mean I condone his bad behavior. We've been saying from early days that he needs therapy, in fact Amma and Keerti do as well. His family can't help him get out of this pit he's in.

@bold, he has been saying some pretty horrible things to her in his drunken state especially but what is she doing to him? She's hurting that part of him that's never been healed and every action of hers now is making that wound deeper.

Her initial intent was right -I totally agree with her and understand her concerns but her methods are completely wrong. She knows what he went through earlier in his life, how much it hurt him in the past. If she doesn't want to heal him, fine. She doesn't need to. But stepping on those wounds and hurting him this way in the name of reforming him? If this is the approach she wanted to take then she either underestimated the situation or she was mentally prepared for him to lash out, in which case this shouldn't be a surprise to her. You can't mess with an existing wound and then blame the person for lashing out in pain. The worse part is that she will probably not show him remorse for the methods she's using.

What I see is a wife who's bitten off more than she can chew and now her ego is getting the better of her because she wants to prove something. Being able to reform him would give her satisfaction that she turned him round to her way. As Raghav said, she wouldn't understand where he's coming from because she's never been in that situation herself, so I don't expect her to be able to empathize fully. She can't look away and accept his illegal dealings, fine. But she started this entire reformation campaign by antagonizing him and putting him in a humiliating position, and with lectures that are disconnected from reality and that he can't relate to. The more she triggers him the more he acts out and now both are in this vicious cycle. It is unfair to blame only him for his terrible actions because she is hurting him every single second, knowingly. Action and reaction. Just as her actions are extreme, so are his reactions.

I am disappointed because I wanted her to be able to use her experiences with him to find the best way to appeal to his better angels. Because that exists and that would enable him to go to the ends of the earth for her. It's her love that's supposed to have had the power to get through to him but right now she's been telling him off non-stop and not listening. She says she wants to understand him but I have not once seen this effort since this track started. Also, her first reaction after discovering the truth about the diamonds was to blame him for Abhishek's death. Where have we heard this before, I wonder? She knows that he still feels that burden of guilt but adds one on here. I'm not saying she shouldn't care about his safety or get him to stop his illegal activities but this isn't the way. Only Ayi's words had her rethink for a few seconds, but she walked out of there with the plan to turn him into Raghav 2.0. She had already made up her mind without the space or thought about really trying to see his perspective. And then she says I knew it, you'd choose money over me, in a huge insult to his emotions for her. Does that not hurt him?

Why does valuing money automatically equal to not choosing her? He wants to have both. And the morning after that she went to her simple lifestyle without trying to talk to him about what she was trying to do, and the Motwani situation didn't help. I don't think she understands Raghav fully yet. If she wanted to give him shock therapy, well the shock part is working, not the therapy part.

Being cruel to be kind isn't cutting it. Also, pati sudharo missions are overrated. This is going downhill either way.

Nobody breaks nobody. They remind them of what is changed and broken.

Originally posted by: Isamreen

Hello..

What's with Raghav lately?

Why he is bahaving like a lunatic, drunkard, maniac.

Clash of ideologies , no this is pure clash of egos..

👏makers for on the path of making one of the best ITV ML to one of the worst..

A man who has severe anger issues , who has questionable mental conditions ( hallucinations and panic attacks)

Who is so delusional and egoistic at times that it's frightening now.

So now I get it why Raghav 2.0, sudharna and all needed coz first makers wanted to make him go to this extreme..

Having a grey character is great infact Raghav was never a saint but he was reasonable and realistic.

But now he is utterly butchered to serve and end to a means..

Pls don't say that it's a drama, MHRW is not mostly consisted of Drama watching audience.

Even if it is this show always have given the out of the box thinking and redemption and positive approach towards the character and their mistakes.

Raghav Rao needs to be changed, you cannot show a ML acting so irresponsible with his life, health and relationships.

Do you know how many ppl ( young girls) admire him and thinks he is their dream man?

I saw some twitter folks who were giving their views on BTS of Raghav and Palls in the hospital and of all the things they were saying Raghav is looking so good in the Hoodie

For them all he does will be okay and support him blindly.

It's setting such a wrong example.

Raghav Rao was different from all ITV MLs now I don't think so.

Requesting makers to stop this shouting, drinking and spewing non- sense.

P.S It is strictly my opinion sorry if I have offended anyone

This track I thought was about clash of ideologies

And specifically on ‘having/earning lots of money is okay’

‘Whether it’s earned in the right way or not’ is the question

And Raghav’s some ways are definitely illegal and I understand it’s the fear of Pallavi that’s talking

But being harsh to him and shutting him down wrong work

He will become more ruthless, he had been shut by his mother and sister for 10 long years and it’s definitely not a good thing if repeated again

Pallavi needs to stop hurting him and talk to him

Raghav for once need to stop being stubborn and listen to her with a open mind

@ bold: Media in any form plays a very important role in shaping up the thought process of the audience who sees it specifically youngsters.

Because they aren’t much exposed to other perspective which one gains with age, meeting different people, reading books etc…

And thus it’s high time that they take responsibility of what is shown in the ITV or in any platform like that

Be it movies, web etc..

I haven't seen the episodes but imo Raghav was always egoistic, short tempered and loved to drown his sorrows in alcohol. In fact in the first few episodes he even gets angry at his own mother. I found his change a bit unrealistic. As to him saying things to hurt her.. that is a tendency that I've seen most people display in a fight and I do feel like Raghav would also do the same.

Raghav was definitely not reasonable in the initial days. Not when he burnt Pallavi's sarees, not when he put her in front of a truck, when he believed that she was responsible for the Keerthi incident and when he forced her to get married to him.

Coming to the redemption track, I don't think Raghav changed for the better, he just changed his attitude towards Pallu for the better.

The only thing Raghav didn't do was manhandle Pallavi but the lamp incident indicates otherwise. Mental torture is also just as bad.

In my opinion this track is about uncovering the issues that have existed from a long time but were brushed under the carpet because of external problems.

Pallavi was almost always priggish except when it came to the deshmukhs and I have explained what I feel about Raghav. At the end of the day this is my interpretation and I'm sure y'all have your own.