My rant on current situation. - Page 2

I think there's a lot of disconnect going on

The writers are giving P dialogue as if she wants to change his whole identity / personality - yet it's clear by her other dialogue, and how she is with Raghav in general, and how she's been with him thus far, that that's not the case.

So no, she doesn't want to change him. His illegal activities do not solely define who he is. He is so much more than that and a person stopping one activity - does not completely diminish who they are.

She doesn't want to change all of who he is. She just wants to stop the illegal business. She had no issues with his gun, his drinking, his rowdy behavior, etc. So why are they giving her some of these statements implying he needs to change everything -idk. Because to me, my headcanon for her character is that she doesn't want to change everything anyway.

Raghav is taking it though as if he cannot get by without illegal activities - but it's really that he just doesn't want to be told what to do. He wants to do things how he thinks they should be done - he's always been this way. Although I agree with a lot of what he said, and from his POV he's right about giving money importance, what no one is saying out loud (bc then how would there be drama) is that running a business fully legally does not mean you are no longer giving money importance, nor are you going to be unsuccessful.

They're talking in circles because neither of them are saying the most obvious thing - doing business legally does not mean your business will suffer. He'll just have a smaller profit margin - who cares - find other sources of income. It's 2021. Diversify.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Pallavi's intention is to stop him from doing things that can harm him and his family and that's fine.

For a change though, she's making the same mistake that Raghav does, sahi iraada, ghalat tareeka.

She might mean well but she's coming off as heavy handed and unwilling to understand. Her actions aren't matching her words, and Raghav's words in the study scene showed him for the first time

In the precap scene, I get both their points of view but if her actions are going to be viewed by Raghav as insults to his pride it won't help.

It's looking more like a clash of egos than philosophies to me, but we'll see how it plays out tomorrow.

There's a very strong reason for having Farhad say what he did. While the viewers may be divided over Raghav's or Pallavi's actions, most people have seen and accepted Farhad to be an upright man who acts as Raghav's moral compass. His words added a LOT of weight to the matter under discussion today. I think it was a master stroke showing his perspective, especially considering the fact that Farhad technically is also Raghav's partner in crime, not just his secretary. Farhad knows Raghav more than anyone else does, so his take on the matter is important.

I wonder if there's more to it than meets the eye, because of the way Farhad said that this time Raghav wasn't wrong. He wouldn't have said that lightly considering he understands where Pallavi stands.

And the trust Raghav has shown on Farhad is commendable… Farhad was just able to take 50 lakhs without Raghavs permission .. wow …

That’s the trust and faith raghav has on his loved ones ..

Pallavi is not wrong too … everything takes time ..

Raghavs ego/ anger is more … no doubts about it especially because he had a bad past .. only way to tackle him right now is go slow on him … but we don’t know what makers want to show … let’s c !!!

Originally posted by: SruthySudeep

Let's see what in store.. because Amma pallu has a Convo maybe we will get a wider picture

Yes I agree

May be amma knows him better .. she will advice go slow on him …

When Raghav said in drunk state that you don’t know what it is to see your family go hungry hurt me a lot today

Very sad !!!

Originally posted by: inlieu

Pallavi's intention is to stop him from doing things that can harm him and his family and that's fine.

For a change though, she's making the same mistake that Raghav does, sahi iraada, ghalat tareeka. I don't think he's leaving her a choice. The ACP is on his tail and he needs to quickly mend his ways for his safety.

She might mean well but she's coming off as heavy handed and unwilling to understand. Her actions aren't matching her words, and Raghav's words in the study scene showed him for the first time calling her out on her conditions. Her dialogues do come off as preachy and need to be toned down. I loved Raghav's pain reflected through his dialogues. They didn't do Raghav dirty. He didn't hurt her physically or verbally despite being drunk. I don't agree with his acceptance and conditions dialogues. He didn't have to sacrifice much by accepting her, whereas she has to give up her ideals. Her not going to the police with the diamonds itself is such a big thing that she compromised her morals for their love.

In the precap scene, I get both their points of view but if her actions are going to be viewed by Raghav as insults to his pride it won't help. He's a provider, if she doesn't use things he bought, he's not going to be happy about it. But both are right in their own perspective.

It's looking more like a clash of egos than philosophies to me, but we'll see how it plays out tomorrow. I believe it's more of idealogy clash regarding money, family and reputation. Both have different understanding of these 3 words. There's no ego because they will drop all this at one sight of danger for the other.

There's a very strong reason for having Farhad say what he did. While the viewers may be divided over Raghav's or Pallavi's actions, most people have seen and accepted Farhad to be an upright man who acts as Raghav's moral compass. His words added a LOT of weight to the matter under discussion today. I think it was a master stroke showing his perspective, especially considering the fact that Farhad technically is also Raghav's partner in crime, not just his secretary. Farhad knows Raghav more than anyone else does, so his take on the matter is important. Yes, bringing Farhad was cleaver because he always reasoned with Raghav pre marriage also. But I guess it is to show the audience Raghav's reasons. I wish they gave Pallavi better dialogues so her side is also clear. I understand her much better so I can say I can't pick sides. Both are right, both are wrong and need to find a middle ground if they value their love and relationship.

I wonder if there's more to it than meets the eye, because of the way Farhad said that this time Raghav wasn't wrong. He wouldn't have said that lightly considering he understands where Pallavi stands. I won't read much into it but will be happy if another angle is introduced.

I wrote a long reply but my battery died on me.. so now I'm going to write a short one... Have a long and busy day.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Pallavi's intention is to stop him from doing things that can harm him and his family and that's fine.

For a change though, she's making the same mistake that Raghav does, sahi iraada, ghalat tareeka.

She might mean well but she's coming off as heavy handed and unwilling to understand. Her actions aren't matching her words, and Raghav's words in the study scene showed him for the first time calling her out on her conditions.

In the precap scene, I get both their points of view but if her actions are going to be viewed by Raghav as insults to his pride it won't help.

It's looking more like a clash of egos than philosophies to me, but we'll see how it plays out tomorrow.

There's a very strong reason for having Farhad say what he did. While the viewers may be divided over Raghav's or Pallavi's actions, most people have seen and accepted Farhad to be an upright man who acts as Raghav's moral compass. His words added a LOT of weight to the matter under discussion today. I think it was a master stroke showing his perspective, especially considering the fact that Farhad technically is also Raghav's partner in crime, not just his secretary. Farhad knows Raghav more than anyone else does, so his take on the matter is important.

I wonder if there's more to it than meets the eye, because of the way Farhad said that this time Raghav wasn't wrong. He wouldn't have said that lightly considering he understands where Pallavi stands.

Completely agree...i was about to write the same... pallavi intentions might not be wrong, no wife would want her husband to go to jail or killed but her continue moral science lectures are annoying..

Just like her, he has his own values, believes and perception , which he cannot change over night, he is into this business for years, he knows the repercussions and the after affects of any decision he takes..so give him time and let him figure out.. voice ur concern and ur fears but don't give lectures on wrong and right , values and principles..

They way she is speaking if looks as if he is out and out criminal with nothing good in him..I will change u, u have to change rant of her will make anyone in his place rebellious and stubborn...

She is saying I am trying to understand u, but what she is preaching doesn't prove that...it proves she has already decided that he has to change for her to accept him..no talk, no middle ground...which is where is she being unreasonable and unrelatable

Again I need a better dialogue writer for pallavi ..plz..

Originally posted by: d.padmini

Completely agree...i was about to write the same... pallavi intentions might not be wrong, no wife would want her husband to go to jail or killed but her continue moral science lectures are annoying..

Just like her, he has his own values, believes and perception , which he cannot change over night, he is into this business for years, he knows the repercussions and the after affects of any decision he takes..so give him time and let him figure out.. voice ur concern and ur fears but don't give lectures on wrong and right , values and principles..

They way she is speaking if looks as if he is out and out criminal with nothing good in him..I will change u, u have to change rant of her will make anyone in his place rebellious and stubborn...

She is saying I am trying to understand u, but what she is preaching doesn't prove that...it proves she has already decided that he has to change for her to accept him..no talk, no middle ground...which is where is she being unreasonable and unrelatable

Again I need a better dialogue writer for pallavi ..plz..

@bold, yes and this is frustrating the audience. I know Pallavi has it in her to be reasonable and find the right way to communicate. Hopefully we'll see some of that, otherwise the non-stop lectures are going to annoy him and us.

The more I watch this track the more I feel they deliberately wrote her dialogues like this, because they want to show her character this way and hopefully some growth in her.

Originally posted by: MHRW99

Just that here pallavi has to give more time to Raghav … here CVS need to slow down … immediately she going to her old self and not touching your money and blah blah was not needed now

Iron is hot now .. let it cool down and I feel raghav will understand better if she is softer rather than taking harsh steps … he gets more aggressive I feel with extreme decision..

This is exactly the issue here. Her trying to change his ways overnight when he's got a set way of doing things for so many years. It needs time and patience, which she isn't willing to give because she wants instant results. I hope she understands that slowing down a bit would help and she can approach him the right way, just like she said her beloved Ayi did with Sanki, kabhi naram, kabhi garam.

Originally posted by: fria319

I think there's a lot of disconnect going on

The writers are giving P dialogue as if she wants to change his whole identity / personality - yet it's clear by her other dialogue, and how she is with Raghav in general, and how she's been with him thus far, that that's not the case.

So no, she doesn't want to change him. His illegal activities do not solely define who he is. He is so much more than that and a person stopping one activity - does not completely diminish who they are.

She doesn't want to change all of who he is. She just wants to stop the illegal business. She had no issues with his gun, his drinking, his rowdy behavior, etc. So why are they giving her some of these statements implying he needs to change everything -idk. Because to me, my headcanon for her character is that she doesn't want to change everything anyway.

Raghav is taking it though as if he cannot get by without illegal activities - but it's really that he just doesn't want to be told what to do. He wants to do things how he thinks they should be done - he's always been this way. Although I agree with a lot of what he said, and from his POV he's right about giving money importance, what no one is saying out loud (bc then how would there be drama) is that running a business fully legally does not mean you are no longer giving money importance, nor are you going to be unsuccessful.

They're talking in circles because neither of them are saying the most obvious thing - doing business legally does not mean your business will suffer. He'll just have a smaller profit margin - who cares - find other sources of income. It's 2021. Diversify.

I'll go a step further and say knowing how smart and entrepreneurial Raghav is, he can probably get a business running legally and make tons of money too.

They are writing Pallavi's dialogues with Raghav deliberately this way in order to show that while her intentions are good she's failing to communicate things the right way. If she chooses a different approach it might work better, because right now to Raghav it's sounding like a my way or the highway kind of ultimatum from her.

If she had started with the conversation she had in the bedroom about why the family needs him and his company not all that money, it would have been much easier but she started with a confrontation and tempers are flaring on both sides. Also her accusations to him when he was drunk was said in anger, but they were still very insulting. Raghav even in that drunken state asked her not to compare money and her importance in his life. Again, she was the sober one but her dialogues came out sounding very different. This is why I feel Farhad's words of advice to her were important, because while she was a self-proclaimed andhbhakt of her image of the perfect Raghav, now she's going to the other end of the spectrum with seeing him as all black. She may not really feel that way deep down but perceptions are everything and currently this is the message she's been broadcasting repeatedly. Also, she may say she will try to understand him but she's only going by his words and not able to think about the depth of pain behind what he was saying. His words about his past, we all know, but the way he expressed it should have softened her, yet it didn't. No, I'm not bashing her. She's behaving completely in character but she will have to change her methods if she wants to see progress in this matter.

Her concern about his and the family's wellbeing is understandable but her anger and prejudice are also clouding her judgement.

Originally posted by: MHRW99

And the trust Raghav has shown on Farhad is commendable… Farhad was just able to take 50 lakhs without Raghavs permission .. wow …

That’s the trust and faith raghav has on his loved ones ..

Pallavi is not wrong too … everything takes time ..

Raghavs ego/ anger is more … no doubts about it especially because he had a bad past .. only way to tackle him right now is go slow on him … but we don’t know what makers want to show … let’s c !!!

@bold.. THIS

Just by a couple of sentence they showed the depth of trust and understanding between them and drove home the point that this comes from knowing each other for a while and understanding one another through good times and bad.

Raghav and Pallavi haven't actually been married that long so they will begin to understand things better. As you said, it needs time but she wants results too quickly. He can't change his habits overnight. For that matter, has she changed her habits? No, because it takes time and some habits never change. Anyway let's see how this goes. I agree with you that going slow and helping him see things practically when he's cooled down, is the best way. By refusing his 'dirty' money and hurting his pride as per the precap, she is only antagonizing him further instead of getting through to him.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

I don't think he's leaving her a choice. The ACP is on his tail and he needs to quickly mend his ways for his safety.

Actually, I don't think he needs to mend his ways quickly in the sense that he has a short-term fix for this ACP and knows how to get his name out of trouble. He has the police in his pocket and was planning to deal with the ACP in his own way later on. The point is that understanding why and how to do a legal trade will take time and then setting things up will take longer. He can't just shut things down overnight, it involves a lot of people. If this is to be a permanent change in his life that requires him to do away with methods he built over the past decade then he can't just do an about-turn overnight.

Her dialogues do come off as preachy and need to be toned down. I loved Raghav's pain reflected through his dialogues. They didn't do Raghav dirty. He didn't hurt her physically or verbally despite being drunk. I don't agree with his acceptance and conditions dialogues. He didn't have to sacrifice much by accepting her, whereas she has to give up her ideals. Her not going to the police with the diamonds itself is such a big thing that she compromised her morals for their love.

I am also glad they didn't show him being abusive and I guess they put that in yesterday's precap just to get the audience to watch today. I don't agree that he didn't have to sacrifice much while she has to give up ideals. Let's just put it this way, until this track, she hasn't had to give up anything. In this particular track, though it's a clash because one or both of them have to give something up. As for her not going to the police, if she really did so, Farhad would have still done the same thing as he did today, i.e. getting Harish or someone else to take the blame. In fact, he already made that happen when they both believed Pallavi went to the police. I am on the fence as to whether this constitutes a compromising of her morals because she did this not to save him but to give him a chance to reform. Also her moral code in terms of the law is never consistent so I'd rather not get into that.

Yes, bringing Farhad was cleaver because he always reasoned with Raghav pre marriage also. But I guess it is to show the audience Raghav's reasons. I wish they gave Pallavi better dialogues so her side is also clear. I understand her much better so I can say I can't pick sides. Both are right, both are wrong and need to find a middle ground if they value their love and relationship.

You know Jolie (I don't know what your name is but can I call you that), I think they gave her these dialogues on purpose because they want to show her taking the moral high ground so as to find a way for her to learn to see shades of gray later on. This is not a fluke, there's a consistent pattern in the writing. If writers can give Farhad, Amma, and even Amruta and Mansi such on point dialogues, then what they write for Pallavi isn't just random. It's there to show her character flaws and how in the bid to reform Raghav, she will also learn a thing or two about text book morals vs. real-worlds harsh truths. In the long-run it would serve her well to see the pragmatic side of life and even if she doesn't opt for it, she'll understand that others may see the world that way.