Why only Hindu superstars doing patriotic movies? - Page 7

Originally posted by: Softness

Oh my God. You need to calm down. What is the matter with you? Aisa kya likh di main 😕

Here anti Hindu , anti India posts are allowed 😆

Originally posted by: desigal90

I wonder how many people Asoka killled compared to Jehangir? But he's not Muslim no problem with that name 😂

History is all about myth-making. The general perception of Ashoka is a man who renounced violence and preached for peace. It doesn't matter if it's true or false because this is what the popular view is. In the same way, Akbar is generally regarded positively even though he too was a Mughal conquerer. It's perceived that he believed in quality and had a Hindu wife he loved and gave respect to both religions. That may or may not be true but this is the myth that has been built. There are even movies that depicted this.

Names like Taimur simply do not have positive vibes in India no matter what detailed research and history you do. What matters is the general perception.

Different countries can also have wildly divergent views. It's the way Churchill is seen as a great statesman and leader and hero of the 20th century who helped win WW2 in the Western world. He is loathed in India as an evil colonialist who caused the Bengal famine and killed millions of Indians.

Names like Taimur are acceptable in the Muslim world outside of India because for them, he's probably seen as a hero. But that is not what will be the popular view in India.

Originally posted by: desigal90

so if Hitler had repented, it would have made up for the 6 M Jews he slaughtered? The excuses that are thrown in for non-Muslims. Ok let's play, I'm curious to see how many excuses you can come up with, What about Alexander the Great. How many did he kill compared to Jehangir? And is Alexander outlawed anywhere in the world?

And I stand by my comment. this topic is proof enough that Muslim actor's patriotism is often questioned. I didn't say they live in perpetual fear, that's your words; not mine. I said that if they make any critical comment about the country they're told to move to Pakistan, and that's a fact. It's happened to Aamir and Shahrukh.

I never said it makes his killings OK. I'm saying its his "Second Life" for which he is revered.

Ok now you're just getting desperate...Alexander has nothing to do with this...nobody in Syria is naming their child Alexander where he massacred people but here's a celebrity couple naming their child Taimur in INDIA. Completely irrelevant.

And again, any celebrity...Hindu or Muslim...who make a political statement will be attacked by twitter trolls. Have you seen Akshay's timeline...from Canadian Deshbhakt to Passport dikha. The point stands, do not judge INDIA based on twitter trolls considering you have never lived here or know the ground reality. Once again, The Muslim "Actors" in particular have it as good as they would anywhere else. Harping over a couple of twitter trends will not change that.

Originally posted by: hotchoco

History is all about myth-making. The general perception of Ashoka is a man who renounced violence and preached for peace. It doesn't matter if it's true or false because this is what the popular view is. In the same way, Akbar is generally regarded positively even though he too was a Mughal conquerer. It's perceived that he believed in quality and had a Hindu wife he loved and gave respect to both religions. That may or may not be true but this is the myth that has been built. There are even movies that depicted this.

Names like Taimur simply do not have positive vibes in India no matter what detailed research and history you do. What matters is the general perception.

Different countries can also have wildly divergent views. It's the way Churchill is seen as a great statesman and leader and hero of the 20th century who helped win WW2 in the Western world. He is loathed in India as an evil colonialist who caused the Bengal famine and killed millions of Indians.

Names like Taimur are acceptable in the Muslim world outside of India because for them, he's probably seen as a hero. But that is not what will be the popular view in India.

I'm talking about Jehangir; not Taimur. I didn't even mention Taimur.

Originally posted by: Haila_tu

I never said it makes his killings OK. I'm saying its his "Second Life" for which he is revered.

Ok now you're just getting desperate...Alexander has nothing to do with this...nobody in Syria is naming their child Alexander where he massacred people but here's a celebrity couple naming their child Taimur in INDIA. Completely irrelevant.

And again, any celebrity...Hindu or Muslim...who make a political statement will be attacked by twitter trolls. Have you seen Akshay's timeline...from Canadian Deshbhakt to Passport dikha. The point stands, do not judge INDIA based on twitter trolls considering you have never lived here or know the ground reality. Once again, The Muslim "Actors" in particular have it as good as they would anywhere else. Harping over a couple of twitter trends will not change that.

I don't think Alexander was limited to Syria only. And second, I dont think the name Alexander is made into a big deal anywhere in Lebabanon or Syria.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

My point is exactly as I said: people who suffered through the Holocaust are still alive. Like it or not, there is a huge difference between that and something that happened several centuries ago.

Victims of Mughals are still alive?😆 Those who're still alive are more likely to have blood of both sides. So who exactly is finding it painful except those with axes to grind for some other reason?

Also as a matter of curiosity, how many million were killed by Muslim emperors? Any source?

Forget the entire Muslim massacres, just Timur himself killed like 17M people. But if you are so curious, you are welcome to research it. I am sure you will get enough information on it! Again, what’s your point?

@blue: What makes you believe that you have the right to make that differentiation? Who are you? Unless it is your own pain, stop telling people which pain they should feel and which they should forget.

@red: Like who and what axes? You mean the keyboard warriors who sit in the comfort of their homes and decide on exactly how much time is allowed for someone to remember the massacres. Extremists you mean?

Once again, leaving the past in the past is the right thing to do. But saying someone’s pain is forgettable compared to another person’s or outright denying that anything happened only, is not the right way to do it.

Originally posted by: Haila_tu

The point stands, do not judge INDIA based on twitter trolls considering you have never lived here or know the ground reality. Once again, The Muslim "Actors" in particular have it as good as they would anywhere else. Harping over a couple of twitter trends will not change that.

This is a universal truth for any country. Twitter is an insane land where small groups dominate and inflate strange ideas.

With that said, I won't deny islamaphobia exists in India but you have to understand the violent and painful history behind it. It was always a Hindu-majority land which had hundreds of years of Muslim invasions where temples were razed, burned, and broken. There were strategies to build mosques right on top of the ruins. Hindus were persecuted in what was their own land. A lot of today's Muslims in India are the descendants of Hindus who were converted by the sword. These were not peaceful conversions by any means.

Then after the British colonialist period when India finally gained independence, it was again broken into two by the Muslim League who demanded their own country only for their own religion. India stayed secular but a large percentage of Muslims refused to move to the country that was created for them and by them. So now if Muslims in India complain about various things in the country, it becomes a huge source of anger and frustration for some people because they feel there was a land created for them already so why don't they just go live there? To make matters worse, Pakistan is absolutely not secular and minorities there have dwindled since the country's establishment.

There is discrimination in India for sure but the source of it is very different from the discrimination in places like the US where black people are subjugated. Black people are victims through and through. Hindu-Muslim enmity is not like that - it is very very complicated.

That's not to say that India shouldn't improve. Of course they should. But it's a young country and it will take time for old issues to be forgotten. America is 245 years old and it still hasn't figured out how to reduce racism and discrimination. Expecting India to get there in 75 years is foolish.

Originally posted by: hotchoco

That's not to say that India shouldn't improve. Of course they should. But it's a young country and it will take time for old issues to be forgotten. America is 245 years old and it still hasn't figured out how to reduce racism and discrimination. Expecting India to get there in 75 years is foolish.

Originally posted by: Jijee

That was the deal made in 1947 but muslims cheated and stayed back despite gobbling up 1/3rd of the land.

U have any other solution, jaan?

This topic has become a discussion of religion and politics and is leading to bashing, thus closed.