Raghav cannot do anything now - Page 6

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

But I really want ti understand , she gave a vaada to Vijay Deshmukh forgetting her promise to Raghav and in all this also forgetting what Raghav spoke about Mandaar's dhamki? I know she was angry then, but would she not want to think on it, considering Pallavi has been shown to completely trust Raghav, even when he speaks against himself in the recent past?

They’ve dumbed down her character

So that she suddenly becomes smart again to figure out Mandar’s faking

it was for TRP and drama, it sucked but we can’t do anything about it

Just be glad that the challenge thing is over, they can move forward a little with the story

Originally posted by: fria319

I wish people would recognize how mentally damaged he actually is - that too caused by his own mother leaving him. They have not touched on his abandonment issues at all yet it's the underlying reason behind why he is the way he is about those he loves. I'm not saying that absolves his actions - he's too impulsive and that's what made him mess up and mess up he did, big time - but just like how everyone can understand Pallavi is someone who is easily emotionally manipulated because of her kindness, people need to understand that deep-rooted insecurities aren't just things someone "get over" that quickly. It takes years sometimes, and that too with professional help, for people to get over those kinds of issues.

Pallavi does know about his past, but she's not a psychologist/therapist/etc., he needs to get his issues sorted and tell them to Pallavi. He can't adequately communicate his issues to her, and she can't read his mind. But to even do that first, he needs to recognize them himself.

TBH I don't have much faith in the writers for making the story this nuanced. They're only focusing on his insecurity of losing Pallavi to Mandar. DivyaaaV made a good point that they're showing how it turned into that type of insecurity - which I can understand. But I don't know if they'll ever go into why or even connect it to his abandonment issues. I think at most they're only going to connect to him not thinking he's good enough for Pallavi.

TBH the more I think about it, the more I wish this track happened before they confessed their love to each other. It would've made everyone's actions a lot more palatable.

Totally agree. This track would have had so much more impact if they hadn't expressed their love or if they'd wanted to but for some reason didn't get to voice it because of the arrival of Mandaar.

The way Sickand wants to show a strong FL, I don't expect that Raghav will be able to sort all this out. Only Pallavi will be able to help him deal with his insecurities (as per ITV trends), and the deep-rooted problems that you have so aptly described. I agree she's not a professional but since when does ITV take mental health and PTSD seriously? It's rarely dealt with properly or with the right amount of sensitivity. We've seen Raghav's messed up life from day 1 and this many episodes later, there has been no progress whatsoever on this front. Why does he feel he can't breathe when Pallavi isn't around? Because in many ways he sees her as his lifeboat, as the one to stop him from drowning completely. His redemption arc was a lot more about him giving himself a chance to do something different with this life as it was about doing something good for Pallavi/repairing the damage he caused.

I've always said Raghav + Amma + Keerti need therapy. Just the way Amma talked about Raghav's anger being the reason for their estrangement and oversimplified the issue in today's episode, without acknowledging her own part in the mess, is indication that there's still a lot that needs healing. I know it wasn't the time and place for it but it was a glimpse of how they are yet to really look the issue in the face. This is why I was upset with the reconciliation between Amma and Raghav in terms of the way it happened and how soon it did. Maybe it's all meant to come out during the Krishna Rao track but I also do not have high hopes of them being able to get to the root of the matter and make it nuanced. OTT drama is the way things keep going on the show, even for crucial moments. It might also be a creative choice to leave Raghav with all that damage in his life for the long-run. For him to stumble through life and various events behaving in a similar way, with only someone like Pallavi, as his life partner, being able to deal with him and handle things whenever he slips up. No idea. I just feel like they wasted a great opportunity with this Mandaar track to explore all these dynamics further.

@DivyaaaV, perhaps I interpreted those scenes differently but at no point did it seem to me that Raghav's insecurities had turned into the other type of insecurity. He was still seeing it as Pallavi staying with Mandaar more than Pallavi leaving him, due to circumstances he couldn't control.

In general, I also believe that Raghav hasn't seen much of the 'unconditional' kind of love. With Pallavi, he knows she's not where he is in the relationship so his fears of things falling apart are far greater than hers. She might figure it out later on, but she doesn't yet have that 50k ft view. Perhaps she'll see it at the end of the track or perhaps she won't. Just the way she gave in to Sanki today, despite being forbidden to do so by two people who she said she cared about in D-fam (Ayi and Kaka), tells you that her need to feel validated by Sanki never went away despite her disappointment with how their relations had soured. In that moment, she was swayed by emotion and that's why she was so upset when talking to Raghav. She knew that all the progress she'd made, walking away from Sanki in the past for her self-respect, was partly undone because she couldn't control her emotions. It had barely been a few hours and she'd already started to feel trapped by all the emotional blackmail and manipulation that she knew she'd been smart enough to walk away from in the past.

I truly hope all this leads to character growth for her, otherwise it will seem illogical and will upset viewers further.

Originally posted by: DivyaaaV

I know it’s a far cry

but do you all think Keerthi might turn positive again?

The way she asked “what Mandar is planning to do” with that drug thing made me wonder

she doesn’t want anything bad to happen to her brother right

And I’m sure Sunny doesn’t care about Raghav tbh, he’s with Keerthi for money anyway

So maybe seeing Mandar/Ved/Sunny hurt pallavi but that too Raghav might make her change? Have a change of opinion?

Idk what I’m saying haha, hats off to the makers for keeping us guessing tho!

What do you think?

She won't turn positive so soon, but she might be less resentful of her brother once he saves her from Sunny or supports her after Sunny makes her life hell/dumps her.

My only request to CVs is please let Raghav figure this out himself and not have Pallavi being mahaan to save the day. If there is a reconciliation between brother and sister, I want it to be organic, not with a third person making it happen. In this I agree with Amma, that Keerti should be left to make her own mistakes and learn a lesson the hard way. Amma and Raghav will be there to help her pick up the pieces.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Totally agree. This track would have had so much more impact if they hadn't expressed their loved or if they'd wanted to but for some reason didn't get to voice it because of the arrival of Mandaar.

The way Sickand wants to show a strong FL, I don't expect that Raghav will be able to sort all this out. Only Pallavi will be able to help him deal with his insecurities (as per ITV trends), and the deep-rooted problems that you have so aptly described. I agree she's not a professional but since when does ITV take mental health and PTSD seriously? It's rarely dealt with properly or with the right amount of sensitivity. We've seen Raghav's messed up life from day 1 and this many episodes later, there has been no progress whatsoever on this front. Why does he feel he can't breathe when Pallavi isn't around? Because in many ways he sees her as his lifeboat, as the one to stop him from drowning completely. His redemption arc was a lot more about him giving himself a chance to do something different with this life as it was about doing something good for Pallavi/repairing the damage he caused.

I've always said Raghav + Amma + Keerti need therapy. Just the way Amma talked about Raghav's anger being the reason for their estrangement and oversimplified the issue in today's episode, without acknowledging her own part in the mess, is indication that there's still a lot that needs healing. I know it wasn't the time and place for it but it was a glimpse of how they are yet to really look the issue in the face. This is why I was upset with the reconciliation between Amma and Raghav in terms of the way it happened and how soon it did. Maybe it's all meant to come out during the Krishna Rao track but I also do not have high hopes of them being able to get to the root of the matter and make it nuanced. OTT drama is the way things keep going on the show, even for crucial moments. It might also be a creative choice to leave Raghav with all that damage in his life for the long-run. For him to stumble through life and various events behaving in a similar way, with only someone like Pallavi, as his life partner, being able to deal with him and handle things whenever he slips up. No idea. I just feel like they wasted a great opportunity with this Mandaar track to explore all these dynamics further.

@DivyaaaV, perhaps I interpreted those scenes differently but at no point did it seem to me that Raghav's insecurities had turned into the other type of insecurity. He was still seeing it as Pallavi staying with Mandaar more than Pallavi leaving him, due to circumstances he couldn't control.

In general, I also believe that Raghav hasn't seen much of the 'unconditional' kind of love. With Pallavi, he knows she's not where he is in the relationship so his fears of things falling apart are far greater than hers. She might figure it out later on, but she doesn't yet have that 50k ft view. Perhaps she'll see it at the end of the track or perhaps she won't. Just the way she gave in to Sanki today, despite being forbidden to do so by two people who she said she cared about in D-fam (Ayi and Kaka), tells you that her need to feel validated by Sanki never went away despite her disappointment with how their relations had soured. In that moment, she was swayed by emotion and that's why she was so upset when talking to Raghav. She knew that all the progress she'd made, walking away from Sanki in the past for her self-respect, was partly undone because she couldn't control her emotions. It had barely been a few hours and she'd already started to feel trapped by all the emotional blackmail and manipulation that she knew she'd been smart enough to walk away from in the past.

I truly hope all this leads to character growth for her, otherwise it will seem illogical and will upset viewers further.

My mind is running in circles after reading so many views

It’s so nice to read what others have to say, there’s so many perspectives I haven’t even thought about

I felt like the root cause of his insecurity was that he wasn’t good enough for pallavi so she will leave him due to Mandar’s manipulation

that or he was scared that her she would be take advantage of, based on the legality of her marriage

Idk anymore lol all I know was that he was insecure about something

Originally posted by: DivyaaaV

Bold- No I see this and I think this is what Amma was mentioning

I don’t think Raghav was ever insecure that Pallavi will leave him for Mandar but I think it started that way

Then he felt scared that he doesn’t deserve her, and that she would think the same

He didn’t want to be an insecure doubting husband but somewhere he became one without even realizing, which is what he said today

He loves her like crazy and he didn’t realize when he became so insecure, it wasn’t because he doubted her love but because he is flawed and still thinks he doesn’t deserve her (he’s scared she will think the same)

and to top that Pallavi’s impression of Mandar being all good fueled this fear, somewhere he was also scared for her safety and that kept on increasing

Today he tells that to Amma that mandar isn’t a good person

even now I see Raghav shielding her from Mandar’s bad/harmful side but I don’t see him trying to change her opinion about mandar anymore, she will have to change that herself

@bold this dialogue made me so angry. It's as if he told her what he thought she wanted to hear even though we know and he knows he was never doubting her or her love, and was never insecure that she'd leave him because she'd think Mandaar would be a better husband. Even Amma's dialogue made me wonder if she actually understood what the problem was, that his insecurity was never around Pallavi herself. Ugh... they love showing an ML groveling on ITV, and I hate it when it's done for the wrong reasons because this way they sidestep the real issue at hand.

Nope, he was pretty clear that Mandaar/the Ds would emotionally blackmail her or manipulate her into going back and that she'd be sucked into the trap that he saw her struggle to get out. He knows it's because she can be gullible and by the time she realizes her mistake it's often too late and she's been hurt. Not only does he not trust Mandaar, he doesn't want Pallavi to be too emotionally invested in the Ds again and be hurt all over again because he knows/feels they don't deserve her.

And yes, he knows that Pallavi can be stubborn when she doesn't want to listen, and none of his words will affect her at this point. She will have to have her 'aha' moment one day.

Originally posted by: DivyaaaV

My mind is running in circles after reading so many views

It’s so nice to read what others have to say, there’s so many perspectives I haven’t even thought about

I felt like the root cause of his insecurity was that he wasn’t good enough for pallavi so she will leave him due to Mandar’s manipulation

that or he was scared that her she would be take advantage of, based on the legality of her marriage

Idk anymore lol all I know was that he was insecure about something

🤗

I get it... All this is confusing. They are trying to do a character study here but giving the audience mixed messages at times. I was really happy with the writing in this episode but that one line he said to Pallavi had me going because it turned him into yet another ML on ITV apologizing for the wrong thing. I hate it when that happens and I expected better from this show, since they've always been on point with such things. I guess they spoiled me with the bar set earlier.

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold this dialogue made me so angry. It's as if he told her what he thought she wanted to hear even though we know and he knows he was never doubting her or her love, and was never insecure that she'd leave him because she'd think Mandaar would be a better husband. Even Amma's dialogue made me wonder if she actually understood what the problem was, that his insecurity was never around Pallavi herself. Ugh... they love showing an ML groveling on ITV, and I hate it when it's done for the wrong reasons because this way they sidestep the real issue at hand.

Nope, he was pretty clear that Mandaar/the Ds would emotionally blackmail her or manipulate her into going back and that she'd be sucked into the trap that he saw her struggle to get out. He knows it's because she can be gullible and by the time she realizes her mistake it's often too late and she's been hurt. Not only does he not trust Mandaar, he doesn't want Pallavi to be too emotionally invested in the Ds again and be hurt all over again because he knows/feels they don't deserve her.

And yes, he knows that Pallavi can be stubborn when she doesn't want to listen, and none of his words will affect her at this point. She will have to have her 'aha' moment one day.

When I watched the episode for the first time this is exactly what confused me

Amma made it seem like Raghav was doubting Pallavi’s love for him

somewhere I do think he was insecure but not about her love, as you said about her being blackmailed

That’s what I felt since the beginning, and then today I thought maybe he was scared of losing her because he has hurt her in the past, Amma made it sound like he was scared of losing her love

Originally posted by: DivyaaaV

I know it’s a far cry

but do you all think Keerthi might turn positive again?

The way she asked “what Mandar is planning to do” with that drug thing made me wonder

she doesn’t want anything bad to happen to her brother right

And I’m sure Sunny doesn’t care about Raghav tbh, he’s with Keerthi for money anyway

So maybe seeing Mandar/Ved/Sunny hurt pallavi but that too Raghav might make her change? Have a change of opinion?

Idk what I’m saying haha, hats off to the makers for keeping us guessing tho!

What do you think?

U think so much divya 😂😂

I don't except anything from her because she itself proved she don't have humanity. She done a accident with her lover, did she had any guilt or remorse when she comes to know it's pallavi ex husband?? She lost for me that moment 💔💔. It's fine she don't want to go to jail and all at least she should have least that emotion right?? Now in the vengeance she crossed all the limits.

She don't have any care, love and respect for raghav. She just went cordial with him for her own marriage so I don't think she will care of raghav whatever happens to him.

If she cared she would have understood what pallavi means to him. I don't know how cvs will make positive 🙄🙄🙄.

Originally posted by: gayatherry88

U think so much divya 😂😂

I don't except anything from her because she itself proved she don't have humanity. She done a accident with her lover, did she had any guilt or remorse when she comes to know it's pallavi ex husband?? She lost for me that moment 💔💔. It's fine she don't want to go to jail and all at least she should have least that emotion right?? Now in the vengeance she crossed all the limits.

She don't have any care, love and respect for raghav. She just went cordial with him for her own marriage so I don't think she will care of raghav whatever happens to him.

If she cared she would have understood what pallavi means to him. I don't know how cvs will make positive 🙄🙄🙄.

Haha I’m enjoying my summer by being active here

in two weeks I’ll be gone, probably will only be able to spend 30 minutes a day here

College college college

Originally posted by: diksha710

@bold I’ve been thinking the same. I feel Raghav is more worried about her safety and security than anything else

He's not only worried about that, he's also concerned because he doesn't know to what extent Mandaar can go in his madness. Although, after the latest drama he probably isn't going to take any chances or underestimate him.

Another thing he worries about is that Pallavi would be (emotionally) hurt once she discovers the betrayal. He's seen that happen to her because of the Ds in the past and how it broke her. He's worked so hard to help her stand up again, and even though this hasn't been articulated explicitly, when he asked to come back to 'apna ghar' it wasn't just because he needed her but also because he knew that that's where she truly belonged and felt at home.