Why should he? - Page 2

Originally posted by: laksh

I understand what you have said in the first line. That’s why I have asked what the dialogue was and have asked what the makers are trying to show. Whatever be it, he should have apologised for his behavior. I can see that he was trying to act big but why give Pakhi or anyone a wrong meaning. He should be saying that Pakhi shouldn’t have issues with him celebrating Sai’s birthday or forget even that, why even bring about the birthday? He or the dialog writers whoever it was chose the wrong words. If they wanted to show him acting big, he should have apologised to have hurt her saying if any of his actions had hurt her, he will apologise for it and then apologise.

Sai was feeling guilty but Virat only did that for his brother’s happiness. He can’t expect Pakhi to stay back for Samrat’s sake, it is not fair in anyway.

@bolded: I think the reason he brought up the birthday was to call her out. He sees right through her antics. He knew damn well that she was not "trying" to leave the house because she wanted a job or any of the made up reasons she gave. He knows how jealous she is of Sai and how she cannot bear her happiness. I think he wanted to show her that's not falling for her drama. I also think that he knew he would not be giving the wrong impression to anyone. At this point, who in the family is going to think that he is sorry for celebrating Sai's birthday? Everyone saw how excited he was... he was the one who convinced everyone to partake in the celebration. Forget the birthday even...everyone knows what Sai means to him. They have seen it with their own eyes and heard it from their own ears. This just leads me back to my perspective that he was willing to put all of this aside for the sake of his family's happiness. He cares more about that than even his own self-respect, but he won't fall pray to Pakhi's emotional blackmailing and tamashas anymore, and this was just another instance of him making that clear.

Agree with tptwi. But overall this show needs better dialogues. They need to invest some time n effort on script, direction, editing. Sairat magic ki vahah seh we tolerate too much. This is a prime time itv show for God sake. Kuch toh effort dikhna chahiye.

Originally posted by: Nja91

Agree with tptwi. But overall this show needs better dialogues. They need to invest some time n effort on script, direction, editing. Sairat magic ki vahah seh we tolerate too much. This is a prime time itv show for God sake. Kuch toh effort dikhna chahiye.

100% agree. But they are not going to, because the TRPs are high, and they could care less about what we think and how we feel 🤣😭

Originally posted by: sadiltl

I felt the same lakshmi. Virats mistake is that he thinks only for Samrat. But one wise thing he said is that they both can decide what they want to do with their future. But till then he should let pakhi go to her parents house. Whatever his intentions are, stopping pakhi will cause only MUs. NO wonder samrat MUs him later. What he is doing is not correct, however noble his intentions are. May be he is putting himself in Pakhi shoes because he would wait for Sai indefinitely. See people impose their mental state and emotions while making decisions for others. Virat now can wait for Sai indefinitely if she goes MIA. So he thinks why pakhi cant. Strange but people cant think 'out of the box' always, do they?

Please dont stop dear. We need only analysis in future track. Our love struck fools are taking us on roller coaster ride. Only Samrat can save us now.

👏👏 What a perspective. Loved your take. All I could see was a brother who was thinking about the welfare of his brother yesterday. But, I do see your point. You could be right, he probably is not thinking in any other way because he himself would wait for Sai indefinitely. That is probably one of the reasons that is blocking him from looking at it in a different way or thinking about Pakhi’s future. We can sometimes expect from others whatever we would be doing in the same situation.

However, I am still unhappy that he is not thinking about Pakhi or her future 🤣. Who better than him would know. He had promised to never let anyone enter his life and he couldn’t stop himself from falling for Sai, he let himself feel happy and didn’t stop himself from moving on. Some of his words during the confrontation with Pakhi was a proof to show how he has let himself live, how he did not see any reason to get stuck in one point. He had even said that they never shared anything that he has to fulfilling the promise. It is the exact thing that I want him to think for Pakhi too. All those holds true for Pakhi too. She is stuck in her marital life in a way (whatever she feels is a different thing) and she has also hardly shared any relationship with Samrat.

He is just not able to see or think in these aspects as you have mentioned in the last line.

@last para ❤️

🙈 Can’t tell you how busy I have been and how I couldn’t stop myself from checking the forum or even writing this post 🤣🤣. Haven’t started to even pack. Were supposed to start tomorrow, but had to postpone it due to some work and going to start on Sunday.

I am in a way happy that I wouldn’t be around during the upcoming track. What a coincidence 😀. I am sorry that you all have to go through it 🙈. Looks like even if I check later next week, the story wouldn’t have progressed at all. I might be away for a few weeks, may be for a month or so. Will try to drop in some comments whenever possible but I am also wondering if I should even visit the forum or watch the show the next few weeks. It will only ruin my mood and day. If I am not able to control myself, will hibernate 🙈 🤣. That is the only way to stop me I guess 🤣.

Originally posted by: laksh

👏👏 What a perspective. Loved your take. All I could see was a brother who was thinking about the welfare of his brother yesterday. But, I do see your point. You could be right, he probably is not thinking in any other way because he himself would wait for Sai indefinitely. That is probably one of the reasons that is blocking him from looking at it in a different way or thinking about Pakhi’s future. We can sometimes expect from others whatever we would be doing in the same situation.

However, I am still unhappy that he is not thinking about Pakhi or her future 🤣. Who better than him would know. He had promised to never let anyone enter his life and he couldn’t stop himself from falling for Sai, he let himself feel happy and didn’t stop himself from moving on. Some of his words during the confrontation with Pakhi was a proof to show how he has let himself live, how he did not see any reason to get stuck in one point. He had even said that they never shared anything that he has to fulfilling the promise. It is the exact thing that I want him to think for Pakhi too. All those holds true for Pakhi too. She is stuck in her marital life in a way (whatever she feels is a different thing) and she has also hardly shared any relationship with Samrat.

He is just not able to see or think in these aspects as you have mentioned in the last line.

@last para ❤️

🙈 Can’t tell you how busy I have been and how I couldn’t stop myself from checking the forum or even writing this post 🤣🤣. Haven’t started to even pack. Were supposed to start tomorrow, but had to postpone it due to some work and going to start on Sunday.

I am in a way happy that I wouldn’t be around during the upcoming track. What a coincidence 😀. I am sorry that you all have to go through it 🙈. Looks like even if I check later next week, the story wouldn’t have progressed at all. I might be away for a few weeks, may be for a month or so. Will try to drop in some comments whenever possible but I am also wondering if I should even visit the forum or watch the show the next few weeks. It will only ruin my mood and day. If I am not able to control myself, will hibernate 🙈 🤣. That is the only way to stop me I guess 🤣.

@bold

I told this in other post too. He is the only person who genuinely cares for pakhi, till recently. Now adding to what I said in above post that he projects his emotions and mental state, he lost sympathy for pakhi too! No sympathy no empathy. Pakhi however dumb she is, speaks out virats mind correctly. 🤭 she said she is the thorn in his eyes. I m sure virat will feel or already feeling it! Here is where virat becomes selfish and Sai’s large heart comes. She is the only one who feels pakhis pain sometimes. Again she knows the pain of unrequited love. Sai thinks virats love is unrequited for her so she can feel exactly how pakhi feels. Coming to pakhi, not sure how much true love she has for virat, but it looks more of a resentment for him and she wants him to suffer in love just as she does.

I have a genuine question to ask. Will pakhi be happy if she gets virat now? She knows how virat loves sai. So even if sai leaves virat and everyone forces/blackmails virat to marry her, will she get what she wants. It is no less pain than what she is going through right?

Ps: last para is so difficult to write only. Virat, if real would have killed me for this hypothesis 😳🤭🤪

Originally posted by: tptwi

Loved reading your take as always, Laksh. I was also taken aback by him apologizing at first, and it really rubbed me the wrong way. I thought exactly as you did- why should he apologize to this vile woman for celebrating his own wife's birthday? But, after thinking about it some more, I understand what he was trying to do. I still don't like it, but I can kind of see his perspective.

Virat has deep guilt for Samrat to this day. We know how much he loves each and every single one of his family members, and he was even closer with Samrat. He feels remorseful for having feelings of lust (I refuse to call it love) towards his brother's wife and not telling him about it. He feels remorseful that Samrat has now disappeared, and perhaps a part of him thinks it is due to him. Even though Samrat has been gone for almost a year, he still has hope that he will return. This may seem illogical, but we hold on to the hope for those we love to return until we can't anymore. That is just how the human heart works. People don't think logically...and especially Virat, who we know feels with his whole heart and does and says things in the heat of his emotions. When Samrat returns, Virat wants his life to be full of happiness. And in his mind, that is not possible without Pakhi being there as his wife. Virat knows how much Samrat liked Pakhi, so in his mind, she is an essential part of him having a fulfilling life if and once he returns home. Yesterday, when he told Pakhi that she should stay until Samrat returns and then they can figure it out in between themselves, that spoke volumes to me. Yes, Virat knows how Pakhi is obsessed with him, but perhaps he feels that Pakhi and Samrat can have a chance at happiness together. Or, perhaps he feels that Pakhi needs to give Samrat an explanation herself... that is the very least she owns him..she cannot just disappear without properly communicating with him.

Getting back to Virat apologizing to Pakhi. I think it's important to keep in mind that he saw right through her antics and told her that he basically knows she wants to leave because of Sai's birthday and nothing else. He knew that she was just creating a drama, but still he apologized. Did he actually feel apologetic? Of course not. But, he is just like Sai in this regard. Keeping the family together and preserving the happiness of his family (in this case Samrat) is more important to him than even his own self-respect. He is so desperate for his brother to have a chance at happiness that he will do anything that he can to try to make that possible. He has also seen how attached TriMurthi are to Pakhi, so perhaps he wants her to stay for their sake as well. Again, he knows the value of family, and understands Pakhi to be a part of it.

It is interesting how you bring up that Virat promised to be Pakhi's friend and now is not fulfilling it at the expense of his wishes for his brother. I did not think about this. These are just some scattered thoughts that popped into my mind. Virat and Pakhi were never friends, they are not currently friends, and they will never be friends. We all know that Pakhi is incapable of being Virat's friend. In terms of Virat, he tried to fulfill this promise just like he tries to fulfill all his other promises that he makes in the heat of the moment... but I think we can all agree that his success rate is quite low. At the beginning, he saw Pakhi as someone he was attracted to. After he got married to Sai and Samrat got married to Pakhi, he saw Pakhi as someone who reminded him of his guilt, and someone whom he had a soft corner for not just due to their 2 days at the yoga retreat and all those emotions he thought he felt for her, but also because he felt responsible for her current state. But, as he started to get to actually know her, he started to see her true colors. At this point, he hates this woman. It is obvious. But, again, he will play nice with her and even bow his head if he needs to, for the sake of family. So, you are right, he is not her friend. To him, she is just his brother's wife and his brother's chance at happiness.

Coming to Pakhi wanting to leave the house. I do not think she had any intention of doing so. She has played this game many times before, and it has always ended with her either staying or soon after ending back at CN. This was just another outburst of her's and attempt to get some sympathy via emotional blackmailing because she could not tolerate the entire family celebrating Sai's birthday and then Ninand softening towards her. Even when she was talking about wanting a job, she was jabbing more at Sai than talking about herself.

Someone else wrote yesterday that Virat and Sai's actions are partly the reason as to why Pakhi is becoming so evil...because they give her opportunity to and constantly ask her to stay despite everything she does. I really disagree with this. Every human is responsible for their own actions. The fact that Sai and Virat ask Pakhi to stay and are willing to apologize despite not doing wrong, is a testament to their character and how they see family. It is a testament of how they love. And, the fact that Pakhi uses this against them and just becomes more manipulative is a testament of her own character. At this point, Pakhi knows that Virat is completely in love with Sai. She knows that she has no chance. So, instead of accepting it and moving on... she creates tamashas and she tries to stir up poison in their lives. Maybe she is mentally unstable or maybe she is just plain evil. But, I refuse to blame SaiRat for this vulgar woman's actions.

In terms of Sai's words... I wrote this yesterday and pasting here...

I feel for Sai every time she has to witness one of Pakhi's outbursts, because Pakhi makes Sai feel not only insecure, but also guilty. Pakhi paints a picture that Virat and her were so in love and it was all ruined by Sai coming in between. Sai's heart is pure and so she feels Pakhi's pain in this regard. And no, I am not saying that Sai does not trust Virat. I wrote about this in another post, but Sai knows with her whole heart that Virat would never cheat on her and she can clearly see that he is over Pakhi... she knows deep down that Virat is in love with her, but she is unable to label it as such. Anyways, this is not the point of what I'm saying. What I'm trying to say is that regardless of how she feels towards Virat and how she can see he feels towards her, Pakhi is a constant reminder to Sai about the vaada. She constantly makes Sai feel as if she does not belong in this house...as if it is just a deal marriage after all. So, when Sai spoke about leaving the house today, it was not about Virat... it was her own pain, guilt, and insecurities coming out. The value Sai gives to Virat in her life and how she feels about him is quite clear to me at this point. Even if she can't label or recognize it as love between a husband and wife... her actions and words are very telling. Even the small scene of the phone number today spoke volumes. And, time and time again, when her relationship with Virat has been questioned, she has firmly told the world that she is his wife and he is her husband. This marriage is the realest thing in her life... she just needs to accept it as such, but we all know that is not going to happen any time soon.

@green That is something I don’t like in Virat. I am sorry to say but he is being selfish looking at it only from his brother’s point of view. He is only looking at his brother’s happiness. As Sadiltl has mentioned, he probably expects Pakhi to wait because he himself would wait but even then that’s not right.

@bold Nope, not at all. If at all anything, he might try to hide it. If not disclosing anything would help in not creating problems in Samrat Pakhi’s marital life, he would hide it.

@red This is wrong and is also problematic. He shouldn’t do that. He did that once in past and they have all landed up in this position now, he shouldn’t think what is good for them. I do understand his intentions but he shouldn’t be doing it actually.

I do know he didn’t feel apologetic. Just that I felt he chose a wrong reason to apologise for.

So, you think he brought up the topic of birthday to convey to her that he knows what she was doing? . Not fully convinced but will think about it 🤣. I just feel that the writers get high sometimes 🤣 that they don’t know what to write. They are probably too bored of writing Kaku gang drama and Pakhi’s repetitive dialogues of main Aai baba ke ghar jaa rahi hoon 🤣🤣. Ideal dialogue would have been “if you are leaving because of any of my actions, then I apologise.” Virat and Sai have said this many times and birthday was the latest one, so without thinking how it would come across, they added “kuch bhi” 🤣🤣.

@purple you make me laugh at least with one point in your comment 🤣🤣🤣. This sounded too funny 🤣.

@orange I have a mixed feeling about this. It looked like she gave up and did try to leave for her own sanity. It was as if she had accepted defeat but these people boost her ego 🤦‍♀️.

I too don’t agree that Sai and Virat’s actions are the reason for her to act evil. It can be a reason for her to get irritated or jealous but she is responsible for her own deeds. At this point of time, I can no longer call it her hurt since Virat had clearly clarified it to her but she is still stuck at the same point. Every person has a choice to react to a situation and the choice they make shows who they are.

@brown Well said 👏.

@last para about Sai I agree. As I have always said, I am amazed at your understanding of not just Virat but also an in-depth understanding of Sai, her feelings and her position too.

Didn’t have any more colours yaar 🤣🤣. So will end with this 🤣🤣.

Originally posted by: laksh

@green That is something I don’t like in Virat. I am sorry to say but he is being selfish looking at it only from his brother’s point of view. He is only looking at his brother’s happiness. As Sadiltl has mentioned, he probably expects Pakhi to wait because he himself would wait but even then that’s not right.

Why are you apologizing? You are right. It is selfish. My problem is that I have no sympathy at all for Pakhi, so I don't really care... 🤣A part of it for me is also that I truly believe that she did not want to leave the house and I'm just over her day to day drama of these threats....

In all seriousness though, don't you think that we are all somewhat selfish when it comes to love? It might be wrong, but don't we all want the happiness for those we care most about even if it may come at the expense of others? For some the selfishness might be heightened for others it might be less, but I feel as if love can bring this out in all of us in one way or another.

@bold Nope, not at all. If at all anything, he might try to hide it. If not disclosing anything would help in not creating problems in Samrat Pakhi’s marital life, he would hide it.

Sorry, I didn't write this part clearly. I did not mean communicate about his past with Pakhi. I completely agree with you that he would try to hide it if that meant Samrat and Pakhi could have a chance at being happy together. I meant that if Pakhi wants to leave the house, then she needs to talk about it with Samrat first and it needs to be a mutual decision...in Virat's mind at least. But knowing how shameless Pakhi is getting, she would probably just say she doesn't care about him and only waited this entire time for Virat just like she basically told the entire family yesterday.....

@red This is wrong and is also problematic. He shouldn’t do that. He did that once in past and they have all landed up in this position now, he shouldn’t think what is good for them. I do understand his intentions but he shouldn’t be doing it actually.

Same comments as my first point. I agree that it is problematic, but I also feel as though it is human nature in some ways.

I do know he didn’t feel apologetic. Just that I felt he chose a wrong reason to apologise for.

So, you think he brought up the topic of birthday to convey to her that he knows what she was doing? . Not fully convinced but will think about it 🤣. I just feel that the writers get high sometimes 🤣 that they don’t know what to write. They are probably too bored of writing Kaku gang drama and Pakhi’s repetitive dialogues of main Aai baba ke ghar jaa rahi hoon 🤣🤣. Ideal dialogue would have been “if you are leaving because of any of my actions, then I apologise.” Virat and Sai have said this many times and birthday was the latest one, so without thinking how it would come across, they added “kuch bhi” 🤣🤣.

Oh, the writers are definitely under the same nasha that Pakhi is 🤣 All we can do is try to analyze it to the best of our ability. But, the disgusted look on his face when he said that he can feel that the real reason is Sai's birthday made me think that he was calling her out. I truly do believe that he is completely over her and will not tolerate her drama anymore. He knows how much she hates Sai, and he is going to keep making it clear to her even though it is never going to register in her delusional mind. In fact, I am sure that every single family member, even Kaku, in one way or another knew that Pakhi was not going to leave the house or that she would come right back. This has happened so many times by now.

@purple you make me laugh at least with one point in your comment 🤣🤣🤣. This sounded too funny 🤣.

Kya yaar... again I wasn't trying to be funny 🤣

@orange I have a mixed feeling about this. It looked like she gave up and did try to leave for her own sanity. It was as if she had accepted defeat but these people boost her ego 🤦‍♀️.

I stand by what I said in my original comment to your post. I don't think she gave up. The fact that she was jabbing at Sai while she was talking about looking for a job really spoke volumes to me. Or maybe it's because she does this emotional blackmail trick all the time that it's becoming old news and predictable now.... She is a shameless and stubborn person, and if she really wanted to leave, then she would not end up staying, which we know is what is going to happen. Why would she listen to Virat and Mansi Bua's words about Samrat when she doesn't even like him nor want him? The only reason she will stay is for Virat and to wreck havoc on SaiRat's marital life.

I too don’t agree that Sai and Virat’s actions are the reason for her to act evil. It can be a reason for her to get irritated or jealous but she is responsible for her own deeds. At this point of time, I can no longer call it her hurt since Virat had clearly clarified it to her but she is still stuck at the same point. Every person has a choice to react to a situation and the choice they make shows who they are.

@brown Well said 👏.

@last para about Sai I agree. As I have always said, I am amazed at your understanding of not just Virat but also an in-depth understanding of Sai, her feelings and her position too.

I am always amazed by your understandings too ❤️

Didn’t have any more colours yaar 🤣🤣. So will end with this 🤣🤣.

My comments in bold!

Originally posted by: sadiltl

@bold

I told this in other post too. He is the only person who genuinely cares for pakhi, till recently. Now adding to what I said in above post that he projects his emotions and mental state, he lost sympathy for pakhi too! No sympathy no empathy. Pakhi however dumb she is, speaks out virats mind correctly. 🤭 she said she is the thorn in his eyes. I m sure virat will feel or already feeling it! Here is where virat becomes selfish and Sai’s large heart comes. She is the only one who feels pakhis pain sometimes. Again she knows the pain of unrequited love. Sai thinks virats love is unrequited for her so she can feel exactly how pakhi feels. Coming to pakhi, not sure how much true love she has for virat, but it looks more of a resentment for him and she wants him to suffer in love just as she does.

I have a genuine question to ask. Will pakhi be happy if she gets virat now? She knows how virat loves sai. So even if sai leaves virat and everyone forces/blackmails virat to marry her, will she get what she wants. It is no less pain than what she is going through right?

Ps: last para is so difficult to write only. Virat, if real would have killed me for this hypothesis 😳🤭🤪

Hmm, I see what you mean. I don’t mind Virat acting indifferent with Pakhi, infact that is the best thing to do atleast until Pakhi learns some sense. She did push him to who he is now but I think it is not just now, he could always only think about his brother I feel.

Anyway, I could not name what Pakhi has for Virat as love. May be I am being too harsh, I don’t know. I have tried looking at many things from Pakhi’s perspectives as well, but even then, either her love lacks certain things or it doesn’t look like love to me because of her expectations.

My problem has been that she not just accepted his waada but also expected him to follow it. Anyone who loves would want their loved ones to be happy, to move on in their life even if they had to part ways, not like this. I agree that Virat was the one who gave this waada and it was stupid of him, but it is selfish of her to expect him fo fulfill it.

Answer to your question, I don’t think she has thought through so much. She has only been reacting to situations and thinks how to throw Sai out of Virat’s life or how to impress Virat or gain attention from him. I think she has started to see how much Virat loves Sai and that is why she had recently scolded Virat and also told Sai that she is hurt and that people can change. She could never accept the reality and even now can see it but doesn’t want to accept it. I also think that she feels that Virat can never be happy with Sai, he is blinded now and can only be happy with her. So, may be she is looking for the right time or waiting for him to accept this or for this to happen. That is why she keeps trying to show Sai in a bad light or tries to instigate family against Sai so that Sai reacts and Virat is made to choose between Sai and his family. She knows that he wouldn’t appreciate a certain things and she keeps pushing Sai to react in such a way that Virat might lose his cool or might start hating Sai.

She hasn’t thought that he would never be able to move on from Sai, she must be thinking that he would fall out of love with Sai.

I also have a feeling that whether he marries her or not, she will be relieved or she will relax even if Sai just leaves him. She might have tried to get close to him the last time Sai was in GC, but that again could be so that he and Sai don’t get together even after all the issues between them. She was feeling insecured when he said that he would wait for Sai, she was scared what if Sai returns. That was clearly shown the way she reacted when Sai had come to meet him at the hospital even after she refused to return with Virat to CN. It could be seen when Virat didn’t want her but was looking for Sai in the hospital and the way they both started to behave when they met at the hospital. She is mainly hoping that Sai leaves and never returns.

@bold 🤣🤣

I agree with you .. virat asking pakhi to stay back is selfish of him .. and not looking at her best interest.. he has seen how pakhi has deteriorated.. with nothing to do but stalk him and Sai .. just because it is a remake of KD we know samrat will come back .. real life he may not .. or maybe come back after 20-30 years as we situation in POW..

in such a situation is it fair for pakhi who has not even had conjugal relationship with samrat to wait for him ..

I feel the whole CGang plus pakhi’s parents are stupid in this ..

even if samrat comes back tomorrow.. what guarantees he will be in sane spirits .. in such a situation pakhi should be allowed to make an honourable exit from her marriage .. considering there was no love or longing there in the first place

Virat apologising to pakhi for Sai birthday is a blooper it is most likely for the dhakka issue..

Originally posted by: msin

I agree with you .. virat asking pakhi to stay back is selfish of him .. and not looking at her best interest.. he has seen how pakhi has deteriorated.. with nothing to do but stalk him and Sai .. just because it is a remake of KD we know samrat will come back .. real life he may not .. or maybe come back after 20-30 years as we situation in POW..

in such a situation is it fair for pakhi who has not even had conjugal relationship with samrat to wait for him ..

I feel the whole CGang plus pakhi’s parents are stupid in this ..

even if samrat comes back tomorrow.. what guarantees he will be in sane spirits .. in such a situation pakhi should be allowed to make an honourable exit from her marriage .. considering there was no love or longing there in the first place

Virat apologising to pakhi for Sai birthday is a blooper it is most likely for the dhakka issue..

@bold Exactly, what’s the assurance that he would return and when he would return.

@bold ❤️ That is what I feel too.

@last line looks like 🤦‍♀️