Episode Spoiler - 20 July 2021 - Page 8

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Such interesting questions!

On 1 and 3: Really, really hard to pinpoint. I believe these two started falling in love right from day one, but I wonder whether there has been a 'moment' or 'epiphany' of realization. Which is why I didn't like Pallavi having one, because it's a little ridiculous to me that she didn't already know, at some level. I don't have the right words, but didn't love the idea of making the realization an 'event' rather than a process. So, until the show says otherwise, I'd say the realization for Raghav was a process too.

Not sure about turning point, but I think the day she stood up for him regarding the necklace incident was significant for him. He may not remember the vulnerable moment in the shower the previous night, but he was in a frame of mind of being unloveable (😭😭😭), and her unflinching faith definitely threw him. There was that awe in his voice talking to Farhad about it later, that was different from how he ever spoke of Pallavi before.

I think something shifted that day, whether or not he named it as love, and it was after this incident that he started wanting more from the marriage than just giving Pallavi the rights and privileges of being his wife, and took steps to open up himself- sharing his past story, wanting her to know, wanting her to believe his side of it, having expectations of being prioritised by her, that she'd share things with him- that little outburst he had after the Kirti-trying-to-run-away incident, when it came out that Pallavi knew about Sunny. He had started having expectations of a partnership now.

He's been hesitant to voice it as love though, and I think that comes from all the different guilts and burdens he's been carrying- about the marriage, then about Mandaar. When Jaya asks if it's love, he terms it as 'something'. The closest he came to voicing where he's at was when he was drunk, and pleading a passed out Pallavi to not misunderstand him, and not leave him, because he needs her. When Pallavi asked him if he loves her last week, when he gifted her the dress, he doesn't deny it, he just evades it with a smile- which I'm reading as a sign that with the guilt towards her resolved, he's accepted it in his own head, and is now just waiting for her to explicitly tell him that she's on the same page.

On 2: Pallavi wears her heart on her sleeve, and Raghav is incredibly perceptive. I don't think he's at all blind to the depth of her feelings, he's just unwilling to take the slightest of risk that he may be reading her wrong. I would guess the jail incident would have really driven the point home, and I think that's what led him to give up and finally tell her the story he had been trying to hide- the realization that she's never going to let him go down the path he was planning, it was a lost cause, as well as a futile mission, because him trying to scapegoat himself is only giving her more pain than just him covering for Kirti, and giving her pain was the last thing his plan was supposed to achieve.

1 and 3.

I was a bit surprised with the whole aadha ishq dreamy sequence too because I didn't expect them to actually make it so in your face. I can only think of three reasons. One, they wanted to do that for the audience who expects such things (because of conditioning). Two, because they wanted to give her this dreamy/breezy moment just before she came crashing back down to earth after spotting Mandaar like that. I am not sure if they achieved their desired effect, but I get the point. Three, because she hasn't reached the level that Raghav has and she's in the dreamy, butterfly stages of love. She still has a way to travel.

Oh yeah, him feeling not worth of her love - I wonder if this is every going to go away 100%, not just for Pallavi but in general. His trauma about his family members' deaths hasn't gone away and hasn't been addressed but it's not going to be pretty when it is, however much it needs to be dealt with once and for all.

Yes, I remember the awe in his voice because for the first time, he'd seen unconditional trust, care, and dare I say love from someone, in contrast to his own mother, who is his jaan, who didn't take a moment to see his perspective and decide to blame him right away. It was painful hearing the bitter truth in his words about other people's mothers being physically distant but emotionally close to them, while Amma was physically close but emotionally distant. With Pallavi he could see that gradually she was becoming both physically and emotionally close to him and that she based her decisions on her knowledge of him/her experiences with him, and no third parties, not even the (Sanki) Baba whom she was obsessively defensive about. Her refusal to leave that day overwhelmed him, especially because he kept feeling that he of all people didn't deserve this from a pure soul like her.

The other time he seemed to be in awe was after the jhadu scene. Sure, I hated it, but the way he described to Farhad that no one had ever shown that kind of haq on him before, he was clearly loving this new experience and wanted more of it. This is why he lets Pallavi get away with pretty much everything. 😆

I think the fact that she showed her genuine interest in learning about his past without judging him, helped him open up. No one else had bothered to find out his side of the story from a neutral perspective. It wasn't just about narrating the past events with Krishna Rao, it was also understanding what young Raghav Rao went through, what motivated him to make those decisions, and how he has been tormented over the years by all of that. Yes, and regarding his outburst on finding out she hadn't shared things with him, it's because he wanted her to trust him and find him worthy of sharing her thoughts and feelings with him at all times. He did back off a bit after that and her deciding to stay back helped in reassuring him that it would come with time. That conversation with Amma when he said there was something between them was telling because not only did it show he was aware of those emotions but that he was afraid to change the status quo so as not to create more of a mess or hurt Pallavi further.

2. I also feel that he didn't want to leave anything to chance or guessing. This is why her saying those words explicitly is so important. He has never forgotten the circumstances of their wedding and even as she removed the photo from the wall, she reminded him how that wasn't the best memory. For a man who'd basically never want to force emotions or relationships on people, he had done exactly that in his urgency to bring Amma and Keerti home. He needed to know that her choosing him was independent of Amma and Keerti or any sense of apni qismat ko maan lena.

It has been his biggest complaint with people and life in general, that all his efforts at doing good are misunderstood or ignored. I think what hit him hardest is knowing that Pallavi's really accepted him for who he is, after she's seen the worst of him and then the good man inside him that he kept trying to convince himself still existed.

I really really hope he speaks about his thought process during this whole thing, because while Raghav's very expressive though his eyes and actions, I want to see if we're reading him right. Just like him, I want verbal confirmation too one day.

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold... this... it's what made me fall for Raghav even more, that he could bring himself to show that much restrain and sensitivity, that there was such a depth to his emotions and that it was such a believable facet of his personality as much as his badtameez, ghamandi, insensitive side. Sure he was doing this for her and for himself, but its not like he suddenly developed these traits. He always had them in him, and Amma was right when she said he had a lot of love to give. He's finally found the person to give it to wholeheartedly.

I love Raghav Rao much! ❤️

I love the way Sai uses every single feature of his to communicate and express RR's feelings.

Sai is going to be big someday, especially considering how he's been growing over the past few months. I know we make fun of ITV but the fact is that for someone like him who hasn't had that much exposure, working with the MHRW is like learning on the job and getting to explore so many aspects of the craft every single day. He decided to make the best of it and grow his repertoire, which not a lot of actors do on TV because they aren't ambitious or do not care to perfect their craft.

This is a big break for him, he knows it and appreciates it. It's what keeps my hope alive that he won't stop doing TV (or ITV) after this show.

Usually I don’t get attached to a fictional characters. I randomly came across this show, and I totally loved Raghv Rao. It was like there were two very contrasting personalities , an arrogant , rude, self obsessed, self made magnate….vs…and loving,caring,humble,philanthropist. And Sai slipped into the character so effortlessly. his demeanor, voice modulation, nuance is worth watching.

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold, I'm so glad that trait of his has remained intact from day 1. He had clearly talked about boundaries, even when it came to gold-diggers so I'm glad that never changed unlike what happens with the toxicity we see other MLs suddenly portraying when their characters change 180 degrees out of the blue.

Raghav is an expressive guy when he wants to be and can hold his cards very close to his chest when he wants to as well. He isn't (thankfully) the silent brooding kind of ML paired with an overly bubbly FL. He may not have long conversations with Pallavi beyond discussing specific problems or events in their lives but even in those rare moments when they talk, they manage to convey so much with just a few lines. I really do want to see a few long scenes where they talk about their future and their dreams, especially if it's a continuation of what Raghav had asked her: what does Pallavi want for herself? I know he's going to do whatever he can to support her in fulfilling her ambitions and making her dreams come true.

We've talked about the imminent breakdown of Pallavi's that hasn't happened. I'd like to see how she still manages to hold it together with all the upcoming madness around Mandaar and the Ds. Sameer (actor playing Sanki) said there'd be thrills and twists. Not sure how I feel about that, but as long as they keep writing that second layer of the narrative to address underlying issues that these writers are famous for, I'm fine with it.

Who is this Gopi bahu ? Seems like a derogatory word. Any way Raghav was raised right way. His influence his wealth did not corrupt him in that regard. He always respected Pallavi’s space, he is deeply in love yet craving for her consent. if that is termed as regression, I feel sorry ITV’s ML toxicity is deeply rooted .
We are seeing flashbacks from Pallavi’s about her relationship with Raghv. I truly wish it comes to her mind Raghav was the first family person asking what made Pallavi Happy, what future she see for herself. Most Deshmukh’s were opportunistic, few loved her but they mostly seen her as P. deshmukh not as “Pallavi”
No wonder I love Raghv 😄

Originally posted by: Soccer1

Who is this Gopi bahu ? Seems like a derogatory word. Any way Raghav was raised right way. His influence his wealth did not corrupt him in that regard. He always respected Pallavi’s space, he is deeply in love yet craving for her consent. if that is termed as regression, I feel sorry ITV’s ML toxicity is deeply rooted .
We are seeing flashbacks from Pallavi’s about her relationship with Raghv. I truly wish it comes to her mind Raghav was the first family person asking what made Pallavi Happy, what future she see for herself. Most Deshmukh’s were opportunistic, few loved her but they mostly seen her as P. deshmukh not as “Pallavi”
No wonder I love Raghv 😄

@bold, so do I but Pallavi isn't there yet in the relationship. She's still discovering and enjoying this new feeling but I hope with time she starts to think beyond as well.

And yes, I love Raghav because he's so open minded in his thinking without appearing as an in-your-face feminist that we see on some shows that try to avoid the problematic ML toxicity that you mentioned.

As for the Gopi bahu reference, it irks me to no end, but I guess it will have stopped by now giving what we're seeing in the episodes recently.

Originally posted by: Soccer1

Usually I don’t get attached to a fictional characters. I randomly came across this show, and I totally loved Raghv Rao. It was like there were two very contrasting personalities , an arrogant , rude, self obsessed, self made magnate….vs…and loving,caring,humble,philanthropist. And Sai slipped into the character so effortlessly. his demeanor, voice modulation, nuance is worth watching.

Join the club, dear. I never expected to get attached to him but here I am. 😆

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold, yeh kab hua?

2. Yes, he does and I think he was always beside her on her journey, without introducing or putting pressure on her. I remember us discussing on the forum that his whining about not being a priority was a too soon but it's great that he stepped back after that and let things flow naturally. I guess that's why the explicit verbal confirmation from Pallavi is so important, because he doesn't want to leave even 0.000001% of doubt or ambiguity between them regarding where they each stand in this relationship

3. In what sense do you think she still doesn't understand him the way he understands her?

I have also been trying to answer why Raghav fell in love with her in the first place. Her reason is clear, but his isn't... I have my theories but one day I do want to hear him express all this, whether in private or to her directly (and I don't mean a simple ILU but what draws him to her).

3. I have said this before that he hasn't changed. Pallavi has fallen for him largely because she thinks he has changed FOR HER which is not completely true. All the things he has been doing is a part of his personality which he has opened for her to see. But is it the only shade he has? No.

He is beyond the impatient/ insensitive, loving, caring sacrificial person he has been in these months .

He can be cruel too when he wants to be. Can she digest that side of him?

I think she is just happy because someone is prioritizing her and not thinking much about it.

As for the reason for RR falling for her ..I really don't see any reason in both of them falling for each other. I feel like it's largely because audience wants them to. 😆

Then we know love can be unreasonable and illogical for most of the time. Example- Keerti😆

Originally posted by: Jiarao

1. I can't remember complete scene but Farhad said something like ' "bhabhi jisse aap itna pyaar karte hain woh aapka bura karegi? "Something like that. RR was all dazed and refused vehemently.

3. I have said this before that he hasn't changed. Pallavi has fallen for him largely because she thinks he has changed FOR HER which is not completely true. All the things he has been doing is a part of his personality which he has opened for her to see. But is it the only shade he has? No.

He is beyond the impatient/ insensitive, loving, caring sacrificial person he has been in these months .

He can be cruel too when he wants to be. Can she digest that side of him?

I think she is just happy because someone is prioritizing her and not thinking much about it.

As for the reason for RR falling for her ..I really don't see any reason in both of them falling for each other. I feel like it's largely because audience wants them to. 😆

Then we know love can be unreasonable and illogical for most of the time. Example- Keerti😆

This is for you Jia 🤗.

I totally feel the same as you do and love the way you explained #3. So far you're the only I've come across who thinks this way too.

I keep feeling she still has her rose-tinted glasses on and when things get tough, we will see all the not-so-pleasant traits of Raghav that we've been seeing since the start of the show. He didn't have a personality change. He just chose to apply his skills differently

When I go back and watch the older episodes, I feel that when he said he wanted a second chance at the train station, it was more for himself than anything else. He wanted out of that loneliness and the darkness in his life, and he grabbed this chance like a lifeboat. We know he's really goal-oriented so that's been his focus for a bit, to try and clean up the mess he made.

The moments when he chose to help Keerti instead of her, she had a rude wake up call and didn't like that. It's just who he is and I won't be surprised if he does other things in future that she doesn't like. Can she truly accept him and the fact that she'll have to deal with some of his less favorable traits for the rest of their lives?

Originally posted by: Soccer1

Who is this Gopi bahu ? Seems like a derogatory word. Any way Raghav was raised right way. His influence his wealth did not corrupt him in that regard. He always respected Pallavi’s space, he is deeply in love yet craving for her consent. if that is termed as regression, I feel sorry ITV’s ML toxicity is deeply rooted .
We are seeing flashbacks from Pallavi’s about her relationship with Raghv. I truly wish it comes to her mind Raghav was the first family person asking what made Pallavi Happy, what future she see for herself. Most Deshmukh’s were opportunistic, few loved her but they mostly seen her as P. deshmukh not as “Pallavi”
No wonder I love Raghv 😄

Originally posted by: inlieu

This is for you Jia 🤗.

I totally feel the same as you do and love the way you explained #3. So far you're the only I've come across who thinks this way too.

I keep feeling she still has her rose-tinted glasses on and when things get tough, we will see all the not-so-pleasant traits of Raghav that we've been seeing since the start of the show. He didn't have a personality change. He just chose to apply his skills differently

When I go back and watch the older episodes, I feel that when he said he wanted a second chance at the train station, it was more for himself than anything else. He wanted out of that loneliness and the darkness in his life, and he grabbed this chance like a lifeboat. We know he's really goal-oriented so that's been his focus for a bit, to try and clean up the mess he made.

The moments when he chose to help Keerti instead of her, she had a rude wake up call and didn't like that. It's just who he is and I won't be surprised if he does other things in future that she doesn't like. Can she truly accept him and the fact that she'll have to deal with some of his less favorable traits for the rest of their lives?

Totally agree. I have always said Pallavi should reanalyse her decision of staying in the marriage. I know RR loves her but I also know he isn't going to CHANGE for her because he can't. You know when Pallavi said 'Tum mein koi chal kapat nahi' I just laughed out loud.😆. From where did she think that devilish plan of maligning her character or trapping in marriage came? Farhad ne saare plan banaye kya? 😆 Agar iss insan mein koi chal kapat nahi toh aise plan dimaag mein aate kahan se?😆

Another hilarious reason she gives for her trust is Woh jo bhi karta hai danke ke chot pe karta hai. matlab kal usne danke ke chot pe kisiko torture/murder iya toh theek hai?.

@BOLD There will be many suh moments in future when neither Pallavi nor the audience will be able to like what RR is doing ( if the writers doesn't change the character). I hope Pallavi and audience both wae up and come out of this BEST HUSBAND RR dream. Else they are in for biggest shock of their lives.😆

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Thanks Jean🤗We have great minds that think alike😆

Totally agree. I have always said Pallavi should reanalyse her decision of staying in the marriage. I know RR loves her but I also know he isn't going to CHANGE for her because he can't. You know when Pallavi said 'Tum mein koi chal kapat nahi' I just laughed out loud.😆. From where did she think that devilish plan of maligning her character or trapping in marriage came? Farhad ne saare plan banaye kya? 😆 Agar iss insan mein koi chal kapat nahi toh aise plan dimaag mein aate kahan se?😆

Another hilarious reason she gives for her trust is Woh jo bhi karta hai danke ke chot pe karta hai. matlab kal usne danke ke chot pe kisiko torture/murder iya toh theek hai?.

@BOLD There will be many suh moments in future when neither Pallavi nor the audience will be able to like what RR is doing ( if the writers doesn't change the character). I hope Pallavi and audience both wae up and come out of this BEST HUSBAND RR dream. Else they are in for biggest shock of their lives.😆

Aisa kya guna kardiya RR ne jo aapko lagta hai he can murder some one just like that

Haa accepted he is impulsive and gets angry often not evil guy