Episode Spoiler - 20 July 2021 - Page 5

Originally posted by: inlieu

These two always had chemistry even standing several meters apart, so I felt a little bit of that today, after ages.

Why do you think he didn't want her to leave it hanging? Because he was afraid that she may never bring it up again, because he didn't want to waste another moment, or because he wanted to make sure she explicitly said what he believed she was trying to in the hospital?

Absolutely…this two don’t need any glitzy prop. They can do wonder yards apart. He does wants to hear why he matters to her. There is no comparison or competition, but going by the his character, his love will be more intense.

Originally posted by: inlieu

So now, some questions for you all.... I'm curious to hear everyone's opinions.

1. When did Raghav realize that he loves her?

I don’t know about love. But he was impressed by her optimism, enthusiasm. iShe was different to girls he knew, ready to be in bed with him for pleasure.

2. What she told him in the hospital didn't surprise him at all but I think he wasn't expecting to hear it all of a sudden, that too in the hospital. So when did he realize the depth of her feeling?

she pretty much worshiped Sanki, yet she stood up to him for Raghav’s reputation, she trusted him when his mom turned away . I think that’s when he realized how she can take the world for him.

3. I know he's been there for a while and we've all been saying it but what was the turning point?

For some reason, I still think what he feels is far deeper and Pallavi still has some way to go. Perhaps that's what we'll see them explore in the coming track.

Agree…..the guy loved to stroke his ego, gave a damn about the world. Was ready to lay down, in a heart beat no second thoughts just to give her family and her happiness back. That says all about him.

Originally posted by: Inese_20

But why did you give a 😂 reaction on the post? 💔😆

By mistake itihjt have come. I wanted to give this. 🤩

Originally posted by: Inese_20

I am copy pasting something I wrote on another thread, loosely summing up what all today’s episode confirmed and established-

I loved loved today’s episode! It has put my worries to rest that CVs might take a route where they make Raghav behave more and more insensitive in the coming days making Pallavi suffer and insecure. Thank God it didn’t happen. Phew. Today’s episode was all what you expect from RaghVi

They’re so beautiful, (lemme just cry a little )

Today, Raghav clearly saying that he was restlessly waiting to hear the words from Pallavi and how hurt he seemed when he pleaded with her to at least finish what she was going to say and to not leave him hanging- It confirmed that Raghav is very much on the same page.

He was actually there much before Pallavi, he has been patiently waiting for her to be comfortable and, he knew that Pallavi is in and it’s time to take a step ahead after ‘Kaise mujhe tum….’ sequence and her promise to him! And yet he didn’t want to say anything because he wanted her to say it first, with all his guilt of having hurt her a lot in the past, he wants her to decide the pace of their relationship! Ever since Saturday episode I was sure that Raghav is already there, it was so evident that he was just waiting for her approval at every small step he was trying to take towards her!

My heart went out to Raghav today, he was visibly hurt and there was so much yearning in his eyes, in his words- for the love he has always wanted and finally thinks he deserves was just knocking on the door and was snatched back within seconds!

Raghav does feel deserving of her love now, kudos to Pallavi for making him this secure, all what she has done for him ever since they got married! And after he was willing to let her go- the way she told him she isn’t going anywhere, the Vat Savitri, her going to jail with him while maintaining her faith in him- all these things have reinforced the security Raghav needs.

As for why Raghav played a prank, it was really not Raghav. It was CVs being very lazy to be able to write the sequence differently and they made him come off as insensitive - all this was to make Pallavi realise that she loves him! The Raghav we know won’t do it to anyone, let alone Pallavi, whom he loves a lot. Plus he knows he loves her. He’s there!

There’s really nothing much to read into the prank. Plus Raghav settled it today with how worried he was that he hurt her and his face when he thought she wasn’t going to come back now because she’s angry with him!

Mandaar track’s is significant because

1) it’s a very important part of Pallavi’s past and we need to know her story, like we heard Raghav’s and see how it can affect them

2) it will just make the intensity with which they love each other more and more evident! For them and for us. And Raghvi were meant to be intense since forever!

Today’s (Tuesday) episode was so heartwarming as it showed us that they are on the same page. Pallavi finally wanted to voice it out, how happy she was and Raghav was eagerly waiting to hear it from her, how happy he was just with the thought of it- and hurt later! Poor RaghVi! M made an appearance right then. I am sure with Pallavi often reading hindu marriage act these days, the fear of loosing Raghav is looming somewhere in the back of her mind and is one of the reasons she was so disturbed, along with obviously an abrupt appearance of the person she presumed dead !

Loved how Pallavi didn’t lie to Raghav about seeing M, she is so honest to him! And literally if they keep each other in loop, nothing can harm them. Precap also made it clear that Raghav has something special planned out for her, again indicating he knows he loves her, and now he knows she feels the same! He would obviously take more steps ahead

In precap, Mandaar attacks Raghav! Once again

I didn’t expect CVs to turn M negative so soon, but he’s out and out shady- from where I see the story is heading towards both Raghav and Pallavi realising that they can’t do without each other and fighting the evil M together!

And I love it this way!

with mandaar in picture, we will see Raghav going all out for Pallavi, obviously he is not going to let him take her away and that would be a treat to watch!

in case Raghav lets her go, (with the speculated guilt, emotional angles)- then Pallavi is going to fight for them, making a clear choice and that would be a treat to watch too!

Parulll...maine yeh doosre thread pe bhi pad liya but replying iddhar, because yahaan dekh ke hi I decided to end my (very short 3 day long) hiatus from the show 😆😆 You knew just what to say to bring me back ❤️

Raghav is on the same page- he obviously knew what she was going to say, and I don't think he'd be pushing her to finish the thought the way he was if he weren't on the same page. Why would he be asking her to make herself vulnerable like that, if he wasn't in a place to reciprocate? Doesn't make sense.

@bold- yes, exactly!! I have always felt Raghav was in further and deeper than Pallavi was, but after the conditions in which their marriage happened, he'd sooner die than take any steps that would rush her of make her uncomfortable- which is why it had to be her to take these steps first, to let him know that she's there too. I love how much he values consent and respects her space, both physical and emotional. By far my favorite trait of his, and what sets him apart from all the toxic MLs we've grown used to seeing on TV.

As for security, I don't think there's anything more Pallavi could have done to make him secure in terms of where he stands with respect to her- she's said it with her words and with her actions, and has said it repeatedly since the day he tried to send her to Kohlapur and she decided to stay. But his own guilt was not letting him be secure- the fear of hiding something so big from her, knowing that she deserves to know, but fearing what would happen to his family once she finds out- both in terms of repercussions to Kirti, and Pallavi possibly leaving him, and these things obviously weighed him down. This is what that confession the night both were drunk was all about.

Now, with Pallavi having found closure on Mandaar's death, and Raghav being free of his guilt, by having told Pallavi all he knows and helping her get the person responsible punished, there really isn't any reason for either of them to hold back- the last thing remaining from Raghav's side was a confirmation that Pallavi is where he is, which is why he was so, so desperate to hear it from her today.

Great job by Sai, conveying everything he did with just his eyes and the fewest of dialogues.

@red- I know, this was not on Raghav, it was on lazy writing. As we discussed yesterday, the show is going to move on quick and so am I, but still, I didn't like it one bit, and that's not gonna change :(

Interesting that the amnesia info has reached Sunny though- I wonder if there will be any implications there?

Appreciation for how Pallavi phrased her confession- I really, really liked what she was saying, it was refreshingly low key after the Aadha Ishq sequence which I'll avoid commenting on. But my favorite scene was the one in their bedroom. Raghav made it a point to tell her how eager he was to hear what she had to say (love him being so upfront!!), but also noted that she looked visibly distressed, but that he won't push her to share anything she doesn't want to. He just wanted her to finish what she started. I love that he's not acting like it was no big deal to him- it was, and he's letting her know.

On Pallavi's honesty, I've been so proud of her this entire track for how she's not hidden one single thing, right from the day she started investigating. Usually, the FL will worry ki "Oh, if he finds out, he'll get stressed" or something dumb like that, and eventually, it's not the thing being hidden that becomes the conflict, it's the misunderstandings that happen in the course of hiding everything. And really, why should she be secretive jab uske mann mein koi khot nahi hai?

I got puraane waale RaghVi vibes from the bedroom scene today, and the precap is so exciting! Finallyyyy what I've been waiting for since Ashok was first cast- end to the filler episodes, and right back into the main story, I hope!

Originally posted by: inlieu

You're talking about the look on his face when he said he'd never waited so eagerly to hear anything before and then when he requested her not to leave him hanging?

He was DAMN good and I thought a saw glimpses of the old Raghav and the intensity in his eyes.

Itne time baad full-on RaghVi feels right in the heart...I don't even know what it was, but the bedroom scene was what I'd been missing for so long!

Originally posted by: inlieu

These two always had chemistry even standing several meters apart, so I felt a little bit of that today, after ages.

Why do you think he didn't want her to leave it hanging? Because he was afraid that she may never bring it up again, because he didn't want to waste another moment, or because he wanted to make sure she explicitly said what he believed she was trying to in the hospital?

I think that he absolutely knew what she was getting at (I mean, please, after that speech and the 'I lo-', he had to...he may have lost some sense and logic after the brain injury, but I don't think he's slow enough to miss this), but he needs to hear her voice it out to take it as a go ahead to stop holding his own feelings in, like he's been doing for a while, since he's been in it farther and deeper than her for so long. It's like needing confirmation that she's caught up, they're on the same page now, and can move forward together.

I was saying this on another thread- I'm not someone who likes to debate 'who fell in love first' or 'who was attracted first'. The way I see this, they've both been on their individual journeys towards falling in love since the day they first crossed paths, and attraction has been there since way back too, for them both. It's just always been brushed away and put aside because the situations they were in made them believe the worst of each other, and the abortion fiasco set the ball rolling for all the disasters that would then hang over them- Sulochana's revenge via Kirti, Raghav's destructive response, the forced wedding, the guilt, the redemption. I have no doubt in my mind that had the abortion mess not happened, their journeys would still have converged organically, that had been set in motion well by then, but that and all subsequent incidents threw them off.

Now, finally, their journeys seem to have converged again, and it's probably seeming a bit too good to be true (especially to him, who's been here a while)- which is what Kaise Mujhe Tum... was all about, and he's just seeking definite confirmation.

(This is not as well written as I intended- hope it made sense!)

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Parulll...maine yeh doosre thread pe bhi pad liya but replying iddhar, because yahaan dekh ke hi I decided to end my (very short 3 day long) hiatus from the show 😆😆 You knew just what to say to bring me back ❤️

Ashiiiiiii…. Nobody can sum it up better than you do. You have taken my toota-foota version and turned it into such a polished one 🤗

I am so glad I could bring you back! More awesome discussions, yayyyy🥳

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Raghav is on the same page- he obviously knew what she was going to say, and I don't think he'd be pushing her to finish the thought the way he was if he weren't on the same page. Why would he be asking her to make herself vulnerable like that, if he wasn't in a place to reciprocate? Doesn't make sense.

He knew exactly what she was going to say. He seemed so hurt telling her- “I thought you were going to tell me …..*awkward pause* (that you love me, then why did you stop? What could be so important out that window that you left without completing this conversation?)”

“Do you even know how eagerly I have waited for this moment? I have never been this desperate to hear anything from anyone before, but I was, to hear those words from you!”

I mean he can’t possibly be more clear about this! He’s on the same page for days and has waited for her. And I am sure Pallavi understood him. She knew exactly what was going on there. She could see he was hurt (we all could!) - that’s one more thing what must have compelled her to tell the M truth, otherwise he would keep hurting.

I have said this n number of times, and will say it again- the way their story is progressing is so close to real life! I try to, but I fail to explain it in words. I couldn’t have ever imagined that anyone on the screen can pull it off, let alone ITV! One more day of my growing resolve to send sickand a thank you note!

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

@bold- yes, exactly!! I have always felt Raghav was in further and deeper than Pallavi was, but after the conditions in which their marriage happened, he'd sooner die than take any steps that would rush her of make her uncomfortable- which is why it had to be her to take these steps first, to let him know that she's there too. I love how much he values consent and respects her space, both physical and emotional. By far my favorite trait of his, and what sets him apart from all the toxic MLs we've grown used to seeing on TV.

You said it!

Everyone, Let’s stop with the gopi bahu reference to Raghav already! He’s being more of a man than anybody on itv has ever managed to!

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

As for security, I don't think there's anything more Pallavi could have done to make him secure in terms of where he stands with respect to her- she's said it with her words and with her actions, and has said it repeatedly since the day he tried to send her to Kohlapur and she decided to stay. But his own guilt was not letting him be secure- the fear of hiding something so big from her, knowing that she deserves to know, but fearing what would happen to his family once she finds out- both in terms of repercussions to Kirti, and Pallavi possibly leaving him, and these things obviously weighed him down. This is what that confession the night both were drunk was all about.

Now it’s Raghav’s turn to make her feel equally secure in their relationship.
Especially with all the vile comments SunKee pass on Pallavi regarding her married life to Raghav, it’s really needed. She’s just a human, it might not take long before she breaks down. Raghav needs to let people around them know that she means the world to him and he won’t take anybody disrespecting her, just like Pallavi has done time and again for Raghav.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Now, with Pallavi having found closure on Mandaar's death, and Raghav being free of his guilt, by having told Pallavi all he knows and helping her get the person responsible punished, there really isn't any reason for either of them to hold back- the last thing remaining from Raghav's side was a confirmation that Pallavi is where he is, which is why he was so, so desperate to hear it from her today.

What adds to his desperation was the fact that his wait was almost over. It’s like he was waiting since days from far away and he was fine, but today she comes so close to saying it, which raises all his hopes and then he doesn’t get to hear it. Plus the fact that it was something else, probably a very futile thing out of the window, which she deemed more important than this. It must have hurt like hell! - And hence all what Raghav tells her in the bedroom scene.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Great job by Sai, conveying everything he did with just his eyes and the fewest of dialogues.

Can’t praise him enough! 💯

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Appreciation for how Pallavi phrased her confession- I really, really liked what she was saying, it was refreshingly low key after the Aadha Ishq sequence which I'll avoid commenting on. But my favorite scene was the one in their bedroom. Raghav made it a point to tell her how eager he was to hear what she had to say (love him being so upfront!!), but also noted that she looked visibly distressed, but that he won't push her to share anything she doesn't want to. He just wanted her to finish what she started. I love that he's not acting like it was no big deal to him- it was, and he's letting her know.

Pallavi’s confession was beyond beautiful but what takes the prize today is the bedroom scene! Nothing more attractive than a man who owns up to his feelings and say it out loud and clear!

@bold: yes it was a big deal, and he let her know 🥺

I love the fact that he noticed she looked worried! You don’t expect it from itv MLs , not at all.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

On Pallavi's honesty, I've been so proud of her this entire track for how she's not hidden one single thing, right from the day she started investigating. Usually, the FL will worry ki "Oh, if he finds out, he'll get stressed" or something dumb like that, and eventually, it's not the thing being hidden that becomes the conflict, it's the misunderstandings that happen in the course of hiding everything. And really, why should she be secretive jab uske mann mein koi khot nahi hai?

Full marks to pallavi for being so honest! Not an easy thing to do in such conditions.

And again you don’t expect it from an Itv FL, not at all.

There’s a reason we all love Raghvi so much!

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I got puraane waale RaghVi vibes from the bedroom scene today, and the precap is so exciting! Finallyyyy what I've been waiting for since Ashok was first cast- end to the filler episodes, and right back into the main story, I hope!

@bold- I know right! Told ya! 😋

Super excited for the upcoming episodes. Hoping they keep up the good work. 🌼


Edit: God, this post looks scary long with all the quoting 🤣

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I think that he absolutely knew what she was getting at (I mean, please, after that speech and the 'I lo-', he had to...he may have lost some sense and logic after the brain injury, but I don't think he's slow enough to miss this), but he needs to hear her voice it out to take it as a go ahead to stop holding his own feelings in, like he's been doing for a while, since he's been in it farther and deeper than her for so long. It's like needing confirmation that she's caught up, they're on the same page now, and can move forward together.

I was saying this on another thread- I'm not someone who likes to debate 'who fell in love first' or 'who was attracted first'. The way I see this, they've both been on their individual journeys towards falling in love since the day they first crossed paths, and attraction has been there since way back too, for them both. It's just always been brushed away and put aside because the situations they were in made them believe the worst of each other, and the abortion fiasco set the ball rolling for all the disasters that would then hang over them- Sulochana's revenge via Kirti, Raghav's destructive response, the forced wedding, the guilt, the redemption. I have no doubt in my mind that had the abortion mess not happened, their journeys would still have converged organically, that had been set in motion well by then, but that and all subsequent incidents threw them off.

Now, finally, their journeys seem to have converged again, and it's probably seeming a bit too good to be true (especially to him, who's been here a while)- which is what Kaise Mujhe Tum... was all about, and he's just seeking definite confirmation.

(This is not as well written as I intended- hope it made sense!)

They know!

He knows he loves her.
She knows she loves him.
They both know that the other person love them back too. Just the words are left now!

@bold- exactly! You have explained it beautifully. He needs a definite confirmation, he’s too scared to mess anything up.

Originally posted by: Inese_20

Everyone, Let’s stop with the gopi bahu reference to Raghav already! He’s being more of a man than anybody on itv has ever managed to!

Originally posted by: Inese_20

Now it’s Raghav’s turn to make her feel equally secure in their relationship.
Especially with all the vile comments SunKee pass on Pallavi regarding her married life to Raghav, it’s really needed. She’s just a human, it might not take long before she breaks down. Raghav needs to let people around them know that she means the world to him and he won’t take anybody disrespecting her, just like Pallavi has done time and again for Raghav.

Yes, absolutely. He's already been getting significantly more expressive than he was when he was being weighed down by the Mandaar-accident-guilt, so I'm not worried. He seems to be on the right path!

I actually would like to see all of what has been going on get to Pallavi now- as you said, she's human. Her ability to just move on from things feels a little unrealistic, it works only because of how well we know her as a character- she doesn't move on, she just pushes it in deep. But it has to come out sometime right?

Originally posted by: Inese_20

What adds to his desperation was the fact that his wait was almost over. It’s like he was waiting since days from far away and he was fine, but today she comes so close to saying it, which raises all his hopes and then he doesn’t get to hear it. Plus the fact that it was something else, probably a very futile thing out of the window, which she deemed more important than this. It must have hurt like hell! - And hence all what Raghav tells her in the bedroom scene.

Yess! Exactly this, like this was a moment sooo long in the making, and then for it to get disrupted by something random outside the window...add to that her visible distress and lack of focus when she came back. Which is why it's so good that Pallavi straight away told him what it was!

Originally posted by: Jiarao

1. I don't know Jean. Can't pinpoint a moment. According to me it was a gradual process from the day they met. He might have labeled it as Love after Farhad voiced it in his office. Now he has reached a point where his soul is infused into hers.

2. He reads her like an open book. He has observed all the changes in her since the day they married. Again can't point exact moment. I can say he decided to make a move when she talked about their future together.

3. As I said before can't answer the question but agree with you on him being far ahead in the relationship. His feelings are deep like ocean. Pallavi still has a long way to go not only in her feelings for him but also in understanding him .

@bold, yeh kab hua?

2. Yes, he does and I think he was always beside her on her journey, without introducing or putting pressure on her. I remember us discussing on the forum that his whining about not being a priority was a too soon but it's great that he stepped back after that and let things flow naturally. I guess that's why the explicit verbal confirmation from Pallavi is so important, because he doesn't want to leave even 0.000001% of doubt or ambiguity between them regarding where they each stand in this relationship

3. In what sense do you think she still doesn't understand him the way he understands her?

I have also been trying to answer why Raghav fell in love with her in the first place. Her reason is clear, but his isn't... I have my theories but one day I do want to hear him express all this, whether in private or to her directly (and I don't mean a simple ILU but what draws him to her).