My take on Sai and pp - Page 2

You have explained it so well Neerja. Thanks

And yes Pakhi needs to apologize to Sai. I think it was unintentional but the force which she used for jerking is not okay.

laksh

Aswesome post. Thank you.

Reposting my take from another thread.

Want to ask a question to those who feel Pakhi’s privacy should be honoured ..

If it is Pakhi’s birthday celebrated by Elders of the house,if Sai stays away uninvolved without ruining the function ( this I want to stress since this one is particularly highlighted) ,reading for her test or saying she got migraine ( Sai was shown suffering from this previously) ..will it be ok for the elders and Pakhi and Ofcourse for those who are pointing out Sai’s behaviour ( I mean forum members) ?

No. Never.

In the show it would have become a big issue and it will be magnified to the extent of abusing Sai in every way. Pakhi would have made a scene and I feel she would have messed up the celebrations. I am sure Sai would have been dragged downstairs to attend the function.

Then here Sai would have faced heat with various arguments.

That she has no courtesy to come and Atleast wish if not stay there throughout..

That Sai is stubborn and spoilt and mannerless

Doesn’t know joint family norms.

Always invites trouble

She loves getting into arguments.,,and many more.

That is why I think it depends on our outlook at the issues. For me Sai Joshi is not wrong. She might be childish but not evil minded or control freak.

Wow laksh mind-blowing 🤗👏

After long time I saw ur post ⭐️

Originally posted by: Nja91

She will learn with time. If you see the way she talked to trimurti n pp, she was "manaoing" them. Haan she was bordering on forcing but it was in a "childish" way not in a malicious way. She will eventually grow up and know when to give up n stop. Faking death was too far but this instance is not that crazy. She is merely saying - as birthday girl i really want everyone to enjoy together. She told pp, just come for cake cutting then come back and take rest. She knows pp, trimurti n all like attention to be given to them, they like to be made to feel important- thats why she is haath pakad ke taking them to let them know that even if its her birthday , their presence is important. Its a "family" function.but she will learn with time to just let them go. This stubbornness is her core personality, this is who she is - so it takes time to mature n let go of it. 90% of the time her stubbornness is healthy- it keeps her motivated, on track to achieving her gosls, making her finish what she starts and is endearing but sometimes it goes overboard. So yes she should reflect but often its that ziddiness that makes everyone smile too. Like the way she convinced trimurti n sonali saying cake khaane hi nahi milega, cake tasty hai was so cute n innocent. She has crossed the line in her stubbornness twice- once by hiding devkit marriage from Virat and doing everything herself but those circumstances were crazy, there was lots of writing issues with that track and secondly by this fake accident thing. But both of those instances also ended up being for good. So its harder to get someone to see the consequences of their means when the end result is good. Its human nature na. If the ends are good, we always justify the means na...Sai still has time to grow up and understand how to tame her ziddiness and where to just let go. She will with time.

The problem is not making everyone feel that they are important. The problem is how she does it. And till she won't understand that you don't always have to do the things by hook or crook, she will continue to do it. For example it was good to see her convince them to have her hand made food when she was newly married. It was good to see how she convinced the Trimurti to pick up the things thrown by them and return to Devi. It was good to see how she said they won't get the cake. These things look nice and even bring smile to the faces and make people like her. But things like faking death and forcing Pakhi aren't nice. Even when she forced the Trimurti to have tea and that too in the Zillat Arena was hell irrritating no matter the comedy they showed us. She will learn with time and also with guidance... if she wants to be guided because sometimes she doesn't want that too because she believes she is right. I don't know about human nature but what sounds wrong is wrong to me even if the result is good.

Originally posted by: Anamika32

OMG Laksh exactly this. She was overwhelmed and ecstatic. I understand her wanting to have Pakhi at her birthday party. I don't see this action in isolation. Pakhi has always behaved with malice towards Sai. Her wanting to have everyone at a birthday party is understandable to me. But obviously, everyone perceives it differently. Unlike Kaku who said that she will break Sai's legs if she dares to go out Sai wouldn't have dragged Pakhi downstairs or anything. Sai has her own way to convince people. She did that with Kaku, Ninad and Sonali. Pakhi also respected her consent last time and asked Mansi to not force her. I think she is highly misunderstood here. Taking this eg and comparing her characteristics to an outright evil Kaku is absurd

Hey thanks. I am happy that you are active in the forum again. Welcome back 🤗.

It is just my perception 😊. I believe many of us feel the same way about it.

Originally posted by: kahkashansakina

Wow laksh mind-blowing 🤗👏

After long time I saw ur post ⭐️

Thanks 😊. Yeah, I am not too active. I am visiting the forum past few days actually.

Originally posted by: Nja91

So Sai is a little immature, childish, stubborn but shes always consistent in her behavior and Kind hearted. So whether its pp, trimurti or anyone else she doesn't have malice in her heart for anyone. Her intention behind calling pp was purely to make sure she doesn't feel left out. It was a "family" gathering. She was genuinely concerned about her headache and in todays epi she didnt initially read pp's anger as jealousy right away - usually she would have but today she genuinely thought the anger n irritation was because of headache maybe even "hanger" if she had been in the room all day. The conversation was unecessarily dragged but thats just itv side effects. They have to stretch things for drama. Discussing the party, virat etc was not needed but pp brought it up. Sai only replied. Perhaps Sai should have backed off but she was just being her usual self. I think with time that childish zidd will get better. Also I think Sai will soon see maybe in the next epi itself that pp doesn't have a headache . Her reason to stay away is jealousy that Sai's birthday is being celebrated by Virat in such a grand way. Thats the point of the long conversation i guess- for Sai to see that pp's issue is that Virat is celebrating Sai's birthday. If this was virat celebrating mohit/karishma/devi's birthday there'd be no issue. The woman is so petty that she is upset that a girl who is an orphan is getting to celebrate her birthday. She has no insaaniyat. If she did she would have ignored her "jealousy and pain" to just fulfil her family obligation of being present. Even trimurti gave attendance in this party despite not liking Sai.

Also unlike Sai, Trimurti n PP can be ziddi too but only with Sai and only for bad things. They give each other leeway and want to be forced for anything but don't accord the same courtesy to Sai. They forced her to apply alta, grind mirchi, Attend pp parents anniversary etc against Sai's wishes but unlike Sai their intentions were also malicious right from get go. Pp's motive behind calling her to the anniversary was only to insult.

Log aksar galti karte hai but intentions are very important. Sai's intentions are pure so its always possible to look past her flaws just like Virats. Thats why we as audience root for them.

Pp has been shown lacking insaaniyat also. The point is not that Sai irritated her to the point of unintentionally pushing her. The point is her reaction afterwards. For a millisec she looks shocked that Sai fell but instead of reflexively going to help, she is more worried about Virats reaction, starts defending herself. It shouldn't have mattered that Virat came to care for Sai. If I uninentionally pushed someone my reflex no matter how many people were around to help would be to hover around the person apologizing and trying to help them. But pp lacks basic courtesy. Sai would never behave like that. She prevented pp from tripping during Ladakh trip scene. She asked pp to stop grinding chillies as soon as she saw that pp was getting hurt too. She cares about pp eating, her health- because puts insaaniyat first despite disliking her as a person. She truly shows her maturity because despite all personal issues with pp, Sai sets it aside to fulfil certain obligations and never in her dislike does she blur the boundaries of right/wrong in her head- she doesn't want to see pp hurt or in pain just coz she doesn't like her. Whereas pp does.

Her concern is not that Sai is hurt but how Virat will perceive her after the incident. Even in her irritation, pp could've said- sorry Sai, galti seh haath lag gaya, and offered her a hanky to stop bleeding or a bandaid. But she stood there accusing Sai of annoying her rather than postponing her rant to attend to the injured person. It shows her character.

So pp absolutely deserves a solid thrashing from Virat n rest of family too. Maybe shivani can give her a good dose . And pp needs to apologize to Sai no matter how irritated she is with Sai because injuring someone even unintentionally is not ok.

Rightly put Neerja...

I was irritated with the whole conversation that was going on and on between Pakhi and Sai.. It was not needed, the care concern from Sai was also not needed..I feel sometimes too much importance is given to Patralekha in this show, either by Virat or by Sai or by CN people for smallest of things..This was one such instance. The whole conversation should have ended when Sai was at door..

@bold I am up for Pakhi trashing, even though some believe that she was not pushed by Pakhi, she was strongly jerked by Pakhi for sure to have lost control. The force was a result of the hatred she harbours towards Sai..The fact that she still carried that malice, the moment she saw Virat being concerned for her. Mistakes happen, this was a mistake and not something intentional, so she needs to apologize. Reagrding the trashing, this is nothing to what she has done for the mistakes committed/not committed by Sai.

Agree with you. I think people are being too harsh on Sai when they say shes a control freak n all..her actions of convincing trinurti n pp were done in a pretty gentle way. Her insistence on pp joining did not cross any lines like faking death or making devi elope. There she crossed the line. But now she is merely doing her best to make pp feel included, get her some food , medication, just come for cake cutting as a family member and then get her back to taking rest. But pp is so horrible, she does not deserve the courtesy Sai shows her. She couldnt wish her happy bday, couldnt care to help Sai up after unintentionally pushing her, only cares about herself even in this situation when Sai is down on the floor- wants to blame Sai rather than say a quick sorry n help the girl up. i really think that virats new policy of ignoring pp abd keeping distance and giving no f**ks about her tantrums is the best way to go. (for most part except for the hand holding recently! 🙄) Sai is really tolerating her tantrums n bad behavior but she may as well just let her be. She has tried being nice and a bigger person only to be abused/name called and insulted by pp repeatedly so i think after today we should see Sai just ignore pp.

Originally posted by: Nja91

Agree with you. I think people are being too harsh on Sai when they say shes a control freak n all..her actions of convincing trinurti n pp were done in a pretty gentle way. Her insistence on pp joining did not cross any lines like faking death or making devi elope. There she crossed the line. But now she is merely doing her best to make pp feel included, get her some food , medication, just come for cake cutting as a family member and then get her back to taking rest. But pp is so horrible, she does not deserve the courtesy Sai shows her. She couldnt wish her happy bday, couldnt care to help Sai up after unintentionally pushing her, only cares about herself even in this situation when Sai is down on the floor- wants to blame Sai rather than say a quick sorry n help the girl up. i really think that virats new policy of ignoring pp abd keeping distance and giving no f**ks about her tantrums is the best way to go. (for most part except for the hand holding recently! 🙄) Sai is really tolerating her tantrums n bad behavior but she may as well just let her be. She has tried being nice and a bigger person only to be abused/name called and insulted by pp repeatedly so i think after today we should see Sai just ignore pp.

I am not sure... calling her out for being ziddi is fine..but calling her Control freak and Kaku in the making...replica of Kaku is too harsh on her..

Originally posted by: laksh

My take

Who was doing zidd? Pakhi who never cared to join the celebration was the one who was acting stubborn. Just because I know Pakhi would never wish Sai or because I know that Pakhi is jealous of Sai for what Virat is doing, I can’t ignore that Pakhi didn’t care to even wish Sai, forget her taking part in the celebration. She didn’t care that Sai got hurt but instead cares what will Virat think.

My focus is on Pakhi in this scene and not Sai. Sai did it out of good will. I would never want to celebrate even if one person in my family, how much ever bitterness they have for me, is not a part of the celebration.

Why Pakhi couldn’t be a part of the celebration? why Pakhi couldn’t even wish Sai? Why Pakhi didn’t even look at a hurt Sai but worried about what Virat will think? Even if I know that her jealousy is the reason, I can only think of why couldn’t have Pakhi joined when Sai requested and being so nice to her.

We always don’t want anyone to act mahaan. If Sai understands Pakhi and let her be, will she not become mahaan then? Is it wrong for Sai to expect that Pakhi join her birthday celebration? Everyone have flaws, Sai got carried away with emotions, she was overwhelmed with what the family did for her and that she has got so many people in her life, not left alone. When she thought people wouldn’t even wish her, she was given a surprise by the whole family organising such a big party for her. Why is it wrong if the girl gets overwhelmed by emotions, got carried away wanting Pakhi also to be a part of the celebration? Sai is not some mahaan murti to always try to understand Pakhi’s hurt and should act big or matured always? Why can’t Pakhi for once act magnanimous?

I don’t want to accept that Pakhi is going to be like this. I don’t want to not have expectations from Pakhi. Instead of having expectations from Sai to ignore Pakhi, I have expectations from Pakhi to act magnanimous this time since it is the girl’s birthday. On the day of Sai’s results, Pakhi couldn’t give her blessings, she in fact said that there would never be a day that she would wish for her or something. Pakhi should grow up.

It was not a zidd but Sai’s usual style of doing something nice. Her actions comes out in a wrong meaning but her intentions were only to not let Pakhi stay alone when the whole family is together, to not celebrate when one person alone is in the room. Sai could tell Kaku and gang that she won’t cut the cake because she knows that would do the trick, she knows that Sonali if being giving a greed of a tasty cake would join. It is her atrangi way. But she can’t say the same to Pakhi. Also, she can’t tell the family that if Pakhi doesn’t join she won’t cut the cake, it will only add pressure on the family to ensure Pakhi joins them. She instead chose to somehow convince Pakhi on her own.

Virat was actually proud that Sai had gone to call Pakhi who was missing from the party. No one else cared to check if Pakhi was okay and if she can join the party. It is her own birthday, she didn’t stand near the cake and wait for someone else to go call Pakhi, she instead chose to call her on her own. That is a very sweet gesture. She didn’t expect anyone else to do it on her behalf.

Sai has understood Pakhi, her jealousy, her hurt, her pain and has let go of many things in the past, she has kept her ego aside many a times, so it doesn’t matter if the girl is doing a childish zid asking Pakhi to attend it. For Sai, it is not a grand party that Virat threw, that’s not on her mind. For her it is her birthday party, even if it was a small one, if they didn’t cut a cake but had just done some Pooja, Sai would have still called Pakhi. But for Pakhi, all this is a big thing that Virat has done for Sai and is jealous. Just like Sai would have valued however simple her birthday was celebrated, Pakhi would have got jealous with however simple it was celebrated. Pakhi should have joined the party and the family members should have ensured that she joins. If Sai had said that she wasn’t feeling well, Kaku or no one would have let it go, so why should Pakhibget exceptions all the time? It was only Sunny who had a concern about Sai calling Pakhi, Virat was very confident that Sai can handle Pakhi.

When Virat is so confident that Sai can handle his abusive family on her own, won’t he know his wife’s antics or stubbornness when he let Sai invite Pakhi? The reason behind him having confidence or had no concern like Sai was because Sai’s intentions were pure. She was the one who noticed that she is missing. Virat was proud of Sai because he knows how hostile Pakhi’s behavior is towards Sai, knows how Sai has issues with his and Pakhi’s past, has got a clue that Sai feels jealous of him and Pakhi, but even then Sai noticed that Pakhi was missing and had decided to go check on her.

Wonderfully put as usual. We have all known that Sai is stubborn and impulsive from the start, but her intentions are always pure. We may have all been annoyed with her actions yesterday, but she truly did not want Pakhi to be excluded. And in addition to that, she told Pakhi that everyone is waiting for her downstairs. She knows the value Pakhi holds with many of the other family members too. And, what people seem to be forgetting is that yes, Sai maybe have been forcing Pakhi to come down, but Pakhi was being rude to Sai and creating tamasha from the very moment she entered her room. She could have also nicely told her that she has a headache and she needs to rest. Instead, she started crying, throwing a tantrum, bashing Sai for pretending to not know that Virat doesn't love her, calling her a twister of words...etc. That was ALL Pakhi. First, she created the drama of staying in her room to fake the headache, then she started attacking Sai for simply asking her to join the family function. In that moment, for Sai, it was even less about her birthday, and more about the entire family being together. We already know that the entire family being together is something that Sai values deeply from the most recent college fest fiasco.

As you and Neerja have already pointed out, yes, Pakhi pushing yes was an accident. BUT, we have to look at the moments leading up to that instance. She was getting riled up and pissed off, turning an ant into an elephant. What was the need to even throw off Sai's hand like that? The point is that all of her evilness has been building up to this point. Even when Sai falls and Virat enters, her concern is not that Sai is hurt. Her concern is what will Virat think? This woman will truly never change. The entire hungama of today's episode could have been avoided if Pakhi helped Sai up and apologized to her. It does not matter if Sai fell by accident or not- the point is that Pakhi pushed her, even if unintentionally, and Sai's head started bleeding. And yet, Pakhi did not care.