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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Sai is narcissistic, she can't help but gloat about everything she does, she never had anyone to correct her so she has this "I am no less than God" attitude

@bold no she isn't.

I agree that she would not have been corrected when she made mistakes, she needs guidance and someone who can correct her. Her age can't be a reason for everything, but since she is very young and has just begun the important phase of her journey, she can learn from her mistakes and also through one's guidance. She needs to improve herself.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Didn't catch that. I think the thread is talking about her convincing Virat to invite Devi Tai. It is not talking about her acting proud and not apologising.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91


Then as the older more mature person, it would be best for virat to broach that subject and say something to her, be transparent. If he told her- I'm glad you got them married but i wish you had told me, it'll pave way for a more detailed conversation about what/why/how and I'm confident Sai will be apologetic about hurting him too. We were shown how miserable she felt hiding thing from virat, craving virats presence to be able to discuss everything with him n have him around during the kidnapping track. So like i said in a different post- we cant question line to line logic of the show coz it utterly LACKS one. So if go just by emotions, in that whole track Sai desperately wanted Virat around, she missed his wisdom/his calming presence, she did NOT want to do it alone, she was forced to do it in a hurry due to kidnapping/etc. If she had a choice she would have wanted to involve Virat. She does have realization of her mistakes. I do agree that it'd been nice if Sai had in GC alluded to this and said something like "I know you were hurt that i got devkit married secretly but i had some resons but unfortunately you didn't hear me out..." Or something to that effect.. but thats the script writers fault.

Also we had seen that Sai had every intention to apologize and explain everything calmly until Virat kicked her out. But virat has also been shown as not really wanting to look at the circumstances in the house that led to devkit separation, he was told that devi was wrongly medicated and thats why she is mentally ill and he didnt investigate it more, he has got complete amnesia about harini- he never asks about his neice....so jab aise major logical issues hai and they dont close the loop on such tracks then they never create an ambience for such Sairat conversations to actually take place..if they never raise the issue of devkit marriage in a way that allows for a conversation, it cant happen. Thats the makers problem.

With amey track, she may have expected appreciation but i dont think its fully wrong. She is doing things out of a place of genuine care for shivani, with good intentions. So before you reprimand her for her methods, its important to acknowledge that you do appreciate her intentions. Its the simplest rule of giving feedback- before you say what could've been done better you say what was done right. In amey incident Virat tried to do that. He had animatedly said "tumhaare ideas ache hai but sab sirf tumhaare dimaag mein hai or kisi ko samajh mein nahi aata ki tum kya aur kyun kar rahi ho isilye galat samajhte hai". If he had said that same sentence by making her sit down, holding her hands and in a calm voice, it would have resonated with Sai.

The way i see it, Sai is not gloating over being right. She is just proud that she could contribute to devkit happiness coz her devi tai deserves it. And her interference in getting devi family acceptance/respect/eventually maybe harini's acceptance too all comes from a place of pure love for Devi and wanting to fix things for her. She said "jab maine devi tai ki shaadi jitna mushkil kaam kiya hai, toh this rasam thing is a much smaller thing". It was just a simple comparison saying why to worry so much about a rasam when they have dealt with something much bigger like shaadi. The purpose was not to say "I DID IT" , "I am right", "I am awesome"...

In the latter half when she says you cant stop me, I'll do what i want, meri marzi- i do NOT think its meant to be taken at face value.it was said in a nok jhok moment.

The way the whole kicking out incident played out, most people in Sai's situation would not go apologize on their own even after the dust has settled...she made a mistake but Virat responded by treating her SO badly that she was shattered. On the other hand, if the subject was discussed in more detail, then we set up the discussion to allow for Sai to actually explain what happened and apologize for how she hid things from him but explain why it happened. I do not think Sai would refuse to take ownership for her mistakes but we see in the show that Virat does not want to dwell in any details. Even before devkit shaadi in shivratri he wasnt shown keen on looking at past, and now post shaadi n his own guilt over kicking Sai out- he really doesn't want to think about it at all.

A different perspective from my own reply but totally convincing. ❤️

It certainly is consistent with how Sai is as a person. She does take ownership of her actions. It is the writer's fault that they are not setting up such an opportunity where they both have a conversation. It makes the characterization as well as the story incomplete. I guess instead of debating what Sai and Virat should do, we should actually discuss what the writers should show.

Another major problem is how the whole DevKit wedding was written. Few episodes before Sai is shown badly wanting to confide in Virat about everything. And then she takes a unilateral decision based on promises given to Ashwini and Pulkit. Such shoddy writing, uff .

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Tg someone said it. It was worrisome ! The way sai proudly said that she got devi and pulkit married.

😒😒 Yeah, I was taken aback when I watched it, didn't expect that.


N yes . They have made his whole issue about "sai is right " , so when sai was proven right , all her actions were justified. Virat also needs to Inteospect ..I wanted.proper redemption from him and proper apology from sai but none of it happened. They brushed it away like it was a casual fight . I am not liking sai's overenthusiasm either . What is she so happy about? At first I thought she was trying to cheer up virat . But woh bhi ho gaya..he will recover soon.. he is not a heart patient jisko dukh nahi lagna chahiye.



Infact , if virat is to be kept stress free , devi pulkit must be kept away frm the family for sometime. It's a clear recipe for disaster..but thy r going ahead with it bec "sai kisi se nahi darti" . Virat warned her that family will insult them but she still went ahead , wo bhi keeping the invitation as a secret ! What the!



If pulkit brings harini and devi has a panic attack, everyone will have a chance to say "sai did this without any concern for her mental condition. Devi wasn't ready for it ". Matlab jaan ke sarr okhli mein daalna. Pehle wala kaand nai suljha here z another one.

Yeah, why have they brushed it as though it was a normal fight? What is it with him asking her not to bring it up when she said that she thought he would have thrown her things. Shouldn't Virat have felt apologetic again? Shouldn't he have thought how bad the whole incident was? Shouldn't he have thought of how much it would have affected her? Is he not supposed to feel apologetic that he shouldn't have done what he did whatever be the reason, irrespective of whether Pulkit was right or not? What about apologising to UM? I am totally confused with his redemption track too.

Anyway, when she had brought it up, he could have apologised to her again and they could have had a conversation about it. He could have then shared why he grew angry or how much trust he had until he came to know of her location. He could have shared that he never believed anyone's words when they said she had taken Devi to Pulkit and that he got made since she got them married behind his back. He could have applogised that he shouldn't have done what he did for any reason but he had lost it. She should have then apologised realising how much he had trusted her and had broken his trust. She should have anyway apologised, but this was a way both could have opened up to each other and sort out the issue, accept that it is going to be difficult to forget this incident.


I agree, I too didn't like main kya kisi se darti hoon, however cute it looked, was totally unnecessary and not at all the right time. His health is what is important at the moment not calling those people him. Like how many feel, why not let Virat or Pulkit to do things once, why should she initialte it?

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gayathrirau

Even when I was watching that scene as well, I felt that she was repeating it too many times with soo much pride in her voice. I am pretty disappointed that they are not recognizing Sai's flaws.


She has this mentality that she wants to do everything by herself. Like for example from thr beginning, wen jagtap said he kidnapped kamal sir, she without contacting any help went to save him and backfired, then saving pari from vittal when she was in safe house or even amay where she thought she eill do everything by herself. Even with amay, she was very cocky about everything going well. She was like I brought away here ans made him confess while u arrested him because of ur job. Even though its true, she could have said it in a different tone.


And last but not least, with devkit.She easily could have avoided all these drama if she waited for a day. Anyway virat said he would re investigate then he went for thr training. He would have started his re investigation the next day after holi. Then she could have done what she did after she left CN. She went to the college and confronted the guy who switched the papers. She could have told this to virat and they could have solved it easily in less than a day without her breaking her stupid promise to pulkit.


Sai wants to do everything individually while virat wants to work as a team. I get virat is guilty here but he needs to address the amount of hurt and betrayal he felt. He is just hoping this topic is buried as he doesn't want to encounter his guilt over and over. But its important to discuss as this is their main conflict that brings many fights in past, present and future.


I get this is indian drama so no expectation of logic but still.In that case, the expectation that they will work on their communication even after their love confession is a waste

I agree she has got this bad habit of doing things herself. It is not like some kids want to go for an adventure. It looked more like that in GC for me but unfortunately Jagtap was a real life villain and not a character from an adventure story whom she can handle herself. I always thought that she lacked the seriousness, failed to understand the depth of the issue and liked to handle things alone. In GC, when her Dad wasn't around and she was tricked to run looking for her Dad was fine, later in Pari's case, her getting emotional and not caring about herself, to save the girl was also okay. Though Virat said that he was reaching there, there was an urgency and the situation needed some hurrying up from her side.

That wasn't in the Amay's track or Devi Pulkit track so it is just not necessary for her to want to act this stubborn. She gave a reason during Amay's track, now if I let that be too as something she wants to do, her expecting a peet thap thapana was what was worrying. Why? Why does she think someone has to appreciate her? She said that when he gre angry, I agree, not sure if she would have said that or not if he had not lost his cool when she was just playing with him with a mock anger. But her trying to prove that she was right in what she did was wrong. Her feeling proud of doing these is not right. She has a lot of good qualities, I expect her to not get proud of anything let alone these. That is her nature, her attitude, her style, so when she gets proud about a few things at times is okay, but not in these at all.

She should have waited for him to reinvesitage and as we have all seen , all that was needed was for her to sort out the documents in the office. It didn't make sense in this version for her to hurry up the marriage, that is a fault of makers for sure because there is a deviation from other versions where Devi try to commit suicide. This was ridiculous, for no reason they copied it as is to show drama.


@bold well, he should face it. No point in trying to get away from the issue or ignoring the topic. I am not happy with his redemption either. He had only felt apologetic after the evidence was found. This shows that he is not bothered about his actions, he is more bothered that he has taken tbis action when she was actually right about Pulkit. I am not happy about it all and hence I am not going to trust him either. He has just buried his emotions/anger everything looking forward to some good time with her and that is not how it works. He doesn't want them to have any disagreements or any talks that can be unpleasant, face it is what I would say.

He has to express his hurt and everything that he felt. It is not like he would be justifying, but he should let her know for her to understand what she has done. Neither should she ignore it nor should he ignore it, he has all rights to ask her and should share his issues with her. No point in trying to avoid these, it is not going to be healthy for their relationship ever.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: laksh

@bold well, he should face it. No point in trying to get away from the issue or ignoring the topic. I am not happy with his redemption either. He had only felt apologetic after the evidence was found. This shows that he is not bothered about his actions, he is more bothered that he has taken tbis action when she was actually right about Pulkit. I am not happy about it all and hence I am not going to trust him either. He has just buried his emotions/anger everything looking forward to some good time with her and that is not how it works. He doesn't want them to have any disagreements or any talks that can be unpleasant, face it is what I would say.

He has to express his hurt and everythinf that he felt. It is not like he would be justifying, but he should let her know for her to understand what she has done. Neither should she ignore it nor should he ignore it, he has all rights to ask her and should share his issues with her. No point in trying to avoid these, it is not going to healthy for their relationship ever.

Do you think it is supposed to show his escapist attitude?

Or just a case of bad writing?

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91


Then as the older more mature person, it would be best for virat to broach that subject and say something to her, be transparent. If he told her- I'm glad you got them married but i wish you had told me, it'll pave way for a more detailed conversation about what/why/how and I'm confident Sai will be apologetic about hurting him too. We were shown how miserable she felt hiding thing from virat, craving virats presence to be able to discuss everything with him n have him around during the kidnapping track. So like i said in a different post- we cant question line to line logic of the show coz it utterly LACKS one. So if go just by emotions, in that whole track Sai desperately wanted Virat around, she missed his wisdom/his calming presence, she did NOT want to do it alone, she was forced to do it in a hurry due to kidnapping/etc. If she had a choice she would have wanted to involve Virat. She does have realization of her mistakes. I do agree that it'd been nice if Sai had in GC alluded to this and said something like "I know you were hurt that i got devkit married secretly but i had some resons but unfortunately you didn't hear me out..." Or something to that effect.. but thats the script writers fault.

Also we had seen that Sai had every intention to apologize and explain everything calmly until Virat kicked her out. But virat has also been shown as not really wanting to look at the circumstances in the house that led to devkit separation, he was told that devi was wrongly medicated and thats why she is mentally ill and he didnt investigate it more, he has got complete amnesia about harini- he never asks about his neice....so jab aise major logical issues hai and they dont close the loop on such tracks then they never create an ambience for such Sairat conversations to actually take place..if they never raise the issue of devkit marriage in a way that allows for a conversation, it cant happen. Thats the makers problem.

With amey track, she may have expected appreciation but i dont think its fully wrong. She is doing things out of a place of genuine care for shivani, with good intentions. So before you reprimand her for her methods, its important to acknowledge that you do appreciate her intentions. Its the simplest rule of giving feedback- before you say what could've been done better you say what was done right. In amey incident Virat tried to do that. He had animatedly said "tumhaare ideas ache hai but sab sirf tumhaare dimaag mein hai or kisi ko samajh mein nahi aata ki tum kya aur kyun kar rahi ho isilye galat samajhte hai". If he had said that same sentence by making her sit down, holding her hands and in a calm voice, it would have resonated with Sai.

The way i see it, Sai is not gloating over being right. She is just proud that she could contribute to devkit happiness coz her devi tai deserves it. And her interference in getting devi family acceptance/respect/eventually maybe harini's acceptance too all comes from a place of pure love for Devi and wanting to fix things for her. She said "jab maine devi tai ki shaadi jitna mushkil kaam kiya hai, toh this rasam thing is a much smaller thing". It was just a simple comparison saying why to worry so much about a rasam when they have dealt with something much bigger like shaadi. The purpose was not to say "I DID IT" , "I am right", "I am awesome"...

In the latter half when she says you cant stop me, I'll do what i want, meri marzi- i do NOT think its meant to be taken at face value.it was said in a nok jhok moment.

The way the whole kicking out incident played out, most people in Sai's situation would not go apologize on their own even after the dust has settled...she made a mistake but Virat responded by treating her SO badly that she was shattered. On the other hand, if the subject was discussed in more detail, then we set up the discussion to allow for Sai to actually explain what happened and apologize for how she hid things from him but explain why it happened. I do not think Sai would refuse to take ownership for her mistakes but we see in the show that Virat does not want to dwell in any details. Even before devkit shaadi in shivratri he wasnt shown keen on looking at past, and now post shaadi n his own guilt over kicking Sai out- he really doesn't want to think about it at all.

I agree, you have listed a lot of right points and points that I usually think of Sai. This is the kind of benefit of doubt that I usually give for some of her actions. I am able to relate to many things that you had said.

@bold if that is true, I am happy. But if it isn't, it is something to worry about.


@green I am sorry but I disagree. Virat lost his cool that day which he shouldnt have I agree. But expecting that one would make her sit down all the time to explain things to her is not going to happen. That isn't how things always work in real life too. If the other person loses cool, she has to maintain her cool, if she loses cool, he has to maintain. We can't expect Virat to always explain things to her like that, he has done many times and sometimes even he can fail. He is just a human. His age cannot be a reason for all maturity to be expected from him alone. I am sorrry but I do not agree. That would only mean that there will always be too much of a burden on one spouse who is much elder than the other spouse. When we say, both are equal, it should be in all things. I understand that she is young, she need not be dealt with harshly all the time, can be handled patiently, should be explained or needs guidance, but we can't expect him to be patient with her all the times and especially when she raises her voice or crosses a line. If she doesn't, he shouldn't, but if she does, we can't expect that from Virat.


@blue I agree and I know that she wanted to apologise to him and he didn't even let her step inside the house and spoilt it all.

I also agree that no one else in her position would have been able to forgive him this soon or forget whatever happened. I am not sure if you have seen my posts where this is what I have been always telling as not to expect anything from her, even for months. I got disturbed by the way she spoke about it proudly and the way she has started the next rasams. I wouldn't have expected if she had helped Ashwini in kitchen or was busy in her studies or visited Devi. When she keeps talking about the marriage and how she got it done, it pricks me as how it is isnt dawning on her as how Virat was kept in dark when she had done all of that. It should have reminded her in some way and it didn't, which is something to worry about. There are people who don't even realise after someone points of their mistakes, I don't want Sai to develop any wrong attitude.


I don't deny she had her own reasons that she had considered before taking this step. At every step that she took, she wanted to let Virat know, even when she was recording Kakus gang, she wanted to pick Virat's call. All that is fine, but even at that time, I only felt that she shouldn't have done whatever be the reason.


@red I know and that is why I have mentioned that in my post too. He shouldn't be avoiding the topic due to his own guilt, he should express his hurt and what he felt that time too. She would have been made to look at how she had hurt him and she would have also got reminded that she herself was feeling guilty to be hiding it from him.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Do you think it is supposed to show his escapist attitude?

Or just a case of bad writing?

Some people like to put an end to issues and not drag them. He is one of them. He is not comfortable doing it when he actually should be. It has not got to do with bad writing, it is Virat's nature or the way he functions. Focusing on what is ahead is not wrong, but shouldn't leave issues unaddressed.

He did it when Pulkit visited them, he didn't want to know about Devi's past, when he should have though about his sister in some way. He need not have doubted his family members but could have found something from his elders. If he had done that, he would have first done a background check of Pulkit himself before agreeing with Sai for all marriage preparations.

This time, he wants to focus on his future with Sai, how to make her stay back rather than addressing the issue at hand. The issue isn't over from Sai's side too. She is hurt, upset and is very well affected, not something which Virat can just say, haven't Iinasked you not to bring it up. Don't even know how he expects that.

Will try post another write up about him and her feelings today.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Sai is narcissistic, she can't help but gloat about everything she does, she never had anyone to correct her so she has this "I am no less than God" attitude

A disorder in which a person has an inflated sense of self-importance.

Narcissistic personality disorder is found more commonly in men. The cause is unknown but likely involves a combination of genetic and environmental factors.

A Person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves.


Sai could be narcissistic about some decisions that she takes but she is not narcissistic in nature.. We are all narcissistic about something in our lives..that does make us in narcissist. Sai is anything but narcissist.

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Sai did make him sit down and explain calmly why she thought the letter was fake and was convincing him to reinvestigate. But pp interrupted that scene. After that it was shoddy writing/covid induced problems wtc ehich kinda ruined the track.

So its not that Sai is not capable of being calm and all the onus is only on virat to be mature and composed. But in a relationship where one person is 8-10 years older and personality wise also is the more shaant/calculated person, its obvious that he will be the one who bulk of the time will need to be the composed one who slows down the discussion instead of blowing a fuse. And we know that Virat does this SO much in his life already even pre Sai- being the diplomatic, sab ka chaheeta beta of CN trying to maintain balance. Now with Sai, he has one more person added in that mix and he is only human- so after a while he will reach his breaking point- and when he loses cool, all hell breaks loose. And he ONLY directs that at Sai or Aai subconsciously because they are the only people he can afford to take that liberty with. Thats why despite his hand holding/kicking out we can see that its not really Virat, and once he snaps back to reality, he realizes and regrets. And thats why Sai forgives him so quickly too. Coz she can see his guilt/regret and she has not forgotten everything that he has done for her and that at his core he is a really righteous/nice person who cares about everyone's wellbeing including hers.

I'd like to believe based on body language n subtext that Sai is definitely regretful of hiding things from Virat. She never lies/hides things in general especially from virat so it was an aberration for her. And she paid dearly for it. She won't repeat it. She will still be impulsive coz thats her core personality but i think she will always keep virat in the loop.

I dont think that because we didn't get an apology scene perse, Sai has not recognized her mistake or doesn't feel sorry for keeping virat in dark.

Again I'll say- I think her pride is not for hiding things from virat , its only for successfully ensuring devi tai is united with pulkit jeeju. Its a big deal. Its all devi tai ever wanted for herself. Thats why Virat also has not gone into his "hurt" of being in the dark because he knows Sai must have had some compulsion and he no longer cares about those compulsions because now devkit are together and thats all that matters. Between Sai n Virat, Sai still looks like she would definitely love to have a chat about what/why/how everything happened but Virat just wants to move on! He has not been shown reflecting on whether its really possible that omkar did this ALL himself with no support from bk/ninad, he doesn't care about devkit past, he doesn't care about why Sai hid things....he just wants to let it go and focus on present. Its good and bad. Theres no point crying over spilt milk but without reflection there is s small danger of history repeating itself.

But if both Sai and Virat individually reflect on their mistakes- Sai realizing she won't hide things and Virat understanding that when Sai seems wrong, and is isolated against everyone- that is all the more reason to oress pause button, take a deep breath and try to understand Sais motivation. Because no one gets Sai's actions like he does. He knows that behind her recklessness or impulsiveness is a clean heart, pure intentions and a strong moral compass of right vs wrong.

Would it be nice to get a Sairat scene with a nice conversation about these issues or a monologue about their reflections- yes but makers didnt give it to us so 🤷

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