"Middle Class Feminist mindset" Shagun to Anokhi

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Posted: 4 years ago
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So,

I just wanted some thoughts from people here if anyone else felt Shagun's tone while talking to badi maa was negative...


I am referring to the episode where she told Devi-l about how Anokhi won't pursue Shaurya anymore going forward because Shagun had told her real reason of Sha... Sha break-up. Reason she gave was because Anokhi has typical middle class feminist wali mentality...


I personally don't think whatever Anokhi is doing is wrong. Again, I am only talking about the part where she is confident to not get involved with Shaurya because of his thinking based on 'truth' told by Shagun... If makers are connoting Shagun's dialogue as negative, its really failure on their part... Because it's Anokhi's choice and I am sure many women mihjt make similar choices in their lives... Why should they just go out and write such dialogues for Shagun which does not suite the theme... Shagun could have stopped at I told her the reason.. And someone like Anokhi might not compromise... Or something rather than having them say such dialogues... I felt it was little demeaning.. But wanted to know what others felt?


It's absolutely irrelevant whether Anokhi talks or not with Shaurya about this... It's irrelevant to whether Shaurya had changed or not.. It's irrelevant if Anokhi has MU... The fact that Anokhi or someone like her wouldn't want a partner and his family who does not have broader perspectives on women's aspirations does not deserve any negative biases...


It's not like Anokhi did not try 'fighting' for her love for Shaurya... During 4-women catfight episode she clearly was willing to be face to face with Shagun... Till she realized the 'extent' to which Shagun has gone for Shaurya which she can never imagine too! She cannot imagine herself only being Mrs. Anokhi Shaurya Saberwal... And only have that as her identity...


I would have somehow sympathized with Shagun when I would have been told how she was made to 'suffer' during her earlier break-up..but somewhere Anokhi does see her manipulative side to not completely feel bad about her past breakup. One way to clean this mess is to just prove that Shagun actually cannot go till that extent which she claims to for Shaurya, by having her either be doing PhD secretly or by showing that she had no other option but to return to Shaurya because she was expelled for some unethical practices!


I don't know...


Lastly irrelevant to the rest of the post, as much as I am losing interest in show because of KV's absense and most importantly with the storyline to accommodate his absence , I always thought that discussing show on IF and watching old episodes can help me maintain interest in the show... I tried making couple of fun posts too... But I guess inactivity here in general and nothing more to talk about in the show is just helping me detach easily... Good for me! Old episodes are still the gold ones, but I cannot keep watching them till episodes get back on track here... Most probably this is the last topic I am creating from my end...

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Posted: 4 years ago
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This version of shagun is someone who has zero self respect for herself.....

Coming to the same guy...who threw like trash...and most of all...writers failed miserably in the characterisation of shagun...

What was the need of shagun 2.0..where she was all..shaurya will never accept her...let him be with the one he loves..blah blah...

And in a nano second...she turned obbsessive 🤢

Their dialogues are miserable at times...

Be it anokhi..Shagun...

I am with anokhi in distancing with Shaurya and family...as she has seen..the contempt they hold for her..and how Shaurya was a mute spectator in the whole devi shagun engagement drama...

Regarding this dialogue from shagun...again poor writing and even poor execution...

I still wonder..why the hell is shagun here

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: shahsb_26


Lastly irrelevant to the rest of the post, as much as I am losing interest in show because of KV's absense and most importantly with the storyline to accommodate his absence , I always thought that discussing show on IF and watching old episodes can help me maintain interest in the show... I tried making couple of fun posts too... But I guess inactivity here in general and nothing more to talk about in the show is just helping me detach easily... Good for me! Old episodes are still the gold ones, but I cannot keep watching them till episodes get back on track here... Most probably this is the last topic I am creating from my end...

Sejal, even I find that there is less activity here now. But I really enjoy the topics of the posts that you make and mostly reply to them also. Last week was really frustrating for me with both my husband and daughter falling sick and testing positive for covid. And now even I have tested positive . So I didn't have the time and energy to participate. Hopefully from tomorrow everything should be ok. Pls continue making your interesting posts. We may not get new episodes also for some days but we should not let our interest in the show reduce right. We can discuss about the old episodes also.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: shahsb_26

So,

I just wanted some thoughts from people here if anyone else felt Shagun's tone while talking to badi maa was negative...


I am referring to the episode where she told Devi-l about how Anokhi won't pursue Shaurya anymore going forward because Shagun had told her real reason of Sha... Sha break-up. Reason she gave was because Anokhi has typical middle class feminist wali mentality...


I personally don't think whatever Anokhi is doing is wrong. Again, I am only talking about the part where she is confident to not get involved with Shaurya because of his thinking based on 'truth' told by Shagun... If makers are connoting Shagun's dialogue as negative, its really failure on their part... Because it's Anokhi's choice and I am sure many women mihjt make similar choices in their lives... Why should they just go out and write such dialogues for Shagun which does not suite the theme... Shagun could have stopped at I told her the reason.. And someone like Anokhi might not compromise... Or something rather than having them say such dialogues... I felt it was little demeaning.. But wanted to know what others felt?


It's absolutely irrelevant whether Anokhi talks or not with Shaurya about this... It's irrelevant to whether Shaurya had changed or not.. It's irrelevant if Anokhi has MU... The fact that Anokhi or someone like her wouldn't want a partner and his family who does not have broader perspectives on women's aspirations does not deserve any negative biases...


It's not like Anokhi did not try 'fighting' for her love for Shaurya... During 4-women catfight episode she clearly was willing to be face to face with Shagun... Till she realized the 'extent' to which Shagun has gone for Shaurya which she can never imagine too! She cannot imagine herself only being Mrs. Anokhi Shaurya Saberwal... And only have that as her identity...


I would have somehow sympathized with Shagun when I would have been told how she was made to 'suffer' during her earlier break-up..but somewhere Anokhi does see her manipulative side to not completely feel bad about her past breakup. One way to clean this mess is to just prove that Shagun actually cannot go till that extent which she claims to for Shaurya, by having her either be doing PhD secretly or by showing that she had no other option but to return to Shaurya because she was expelled for some unethical practices!


I don't know...


Lastly irrelevant to the rest of the post, as much as I am losing interest in show because of KV's absense and most importantly with the storyline to accommodate his absence , I always thought that discussing show on IF and watching old episodes can help me maintain interest in the show... I tried making couple of fun posts too... But I guess inactivity here in general and nothing more to talk about in the show is just helping me detach easily... Good for me! Old episodes are still the gold ones, but I cannot keep watching them till episodes get back on track here... Most probably this is the last topic I am creating from my end...

I love all your posts. Please have patience for sometime. We as a country are going through very bad phase and soon everything will be fine.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: anuprem

Sejal, even I find that there is less activity here now. But I really enjoy the topics of the posts that you make and mostly reply to them also. Last week was really frustrating for me with both my husband and daughter falling sick and testing positive for covid. And now even I have tested positive . So I didn't have the time and energy to participate. Hopefully from tomorrow everything should be ok. Pls continue making your interesting posts. We may not get new episodes also for some days but we should not let our interest in the show reduce right. We can discuss about the old episodes also.


Omg... Please please take care and rest... Things are getting worse everywhere.. How old is your daughter? Hope all of you are fine now...


The problem is that nothing is interesting about the show anymore to make new topics... 😵 Shaan is useless... Astha last her senses in her mamta... Anokhi and Babli ke scenes are fine... And the only proper track for now... But let's see how they keep up... What topics should I make... I will definitely continue participating in forums... If you or anyone make posts... But I am out of ideas now and episodes aren't helping...


I liked the idea of creating posts for old episodes... Which are still so cool to watch! Admission, Ragging, Riots, Library, and so on... But given those topics were already discussed when they were aired here... Would it make sense to discuss it again?


Also... What do you think about Shagun's dialogue from that episode?

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: shahsb_26


Omg... Please please take care and rest... Things are getting worse everywhere.. How old is your daughter? Hope all of you are fine now...


The problem is that nothing is interesting about the show anymore to make new topics... 😵 Shaan is useless... Astha last her senses in her mamta... Anokhi and Babli ke scenes are fine... And the only proper track for now... But let's see how they keep up... What topics should I make... I will definitely continue participating in forums... If you or anyone make posts... But I am out of ideas now and episodes aren't helping...


I liked the idea of creating posts for old episodes... Which are still so cool to watch! Admission, Ragging, Riots, Library, and so on... But given those topics were already discussed when they were aired here... Would it make sense to discuss it again?


Also... What do you think about Shagun's dialogue from that episode?

I love to watch and discuss the episodes you have mentioned.

This show is really different and thought provoking.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Athiraachu

This version of shagun is someone who has zero self respect for herself.....

Coming to the same guy...who threw like trash...and most of all...writers failed miserably in the characterisation of shagun...

What was the need of shagun 2.0..where she was all..shaurya will never accept her...let him be with the one he loves..blah blah...

And in a nano second...she turned obbsessive 🤢

Their dialogues are miserable at times...

Be it anokhi..Shagun...

I am with anokhi in distancing with Shaurya and family...as she has seen..the contempt they hold for her..and how Shaurya was a mute spectator in the whole devi shagun engagement drama...

Regarding this dialogue from shagun...again poor writing and even poor execution...

I still wonder..why the hell is shagun here


Shaurya being mute spectator is still bearable and understandable... But Shagun and her dialogues are outright disgusting!


They could have said... Some new woman for Shaurya rather than brining Shagun back just so that she can reveal sachai to Anokhi... Anyone could have done that... I bet there will be some engagement drama too! 😆

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nidhi14

I love all your posts. Please have patience for sometime. We as a country are going through very bad phase and soon everything will be fine.


Yaar... It's not like I don't want to talk about the show... Trust me, atleast for next 1.5 months I have lot of time... But there is absolutely nothing to discuss anymore...


With the time available in my hand, I watch so many other serials on SP and couple on Zee.. But again they are drags and I have nothing to talk about there... I kind of got attached to this show and forum used to be fun to just add to the attachment... Ab... I don't know...


Every show has suffered in some or other way.. It is still upto makers to properly execute tracks and some shows have done so... Just my opinion!


Anyways what do you think about Shagun's dialogue from the episode I mentioned in the post?

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nidhi14

I love to watch and discuss the episodes you have mentioned.

This show is really different and thought provoking.


Thik hai... Chalo... Till episodes are dull... Will try to create posts on old episodes.. 😆 if anyone else makes post.. I am definitely in for adding comments and stuff.. But forum really needs more activity.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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I actually admired your patience to make posts daily which were meaningful and relevant to the episodes. I looked forward to your posts and always tried to give my POV on them. I had long lost the desire to make my own posts because of the lack of activity in the forum. This forum has become largely inactive perhaps because of the change in storyline which made many lose connect. I am still sticking to the show as it is a kind of diversion during these difficult times and there is nothing better. Otherwise with the sudden flip flop of some of the pivotal characters is difficult to digest.

Regarding your topic, I feel Shagun being a negative character is shown to have such demeaning attitude towards the FL but doesn't mean the makers endorse it. Shagun puts down middle class women for holding on to their self esteem as she thinks they don't know the value of things like status, lavish lifestyle and being the wife of a charismatic person like Shaurya. Shagun as a character has been butchered the day she accepted BM's proposal.

It would be a good idea to revisit old episodes and discuss them again. If you have time and patience please do it and I will definitely participate.

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