Word sexual harassment and Extra Marital Affair - Page 7

Originally posted by: archanan14

Sorry to butt in again and keep posting long posts, but this is a topic very close to my heart (like I said, I am literally right creating training material on it with a printed copy of the Act on my lap as I type!). Sexual harassment is definitely a subjective topic AND experience, and the government handbook on prevention of sexual harassment at the workplace also says this. I work in HR and I have known of a case where a male colleague leaned over a female colleague who asked for help with a presentation - and she filed a sexual harassment complaint, which was allowed as per law, because it was her subjective experience that she felt her boundaries were crossed, regardless of his intent.

The reason I am talking about this is because, as a person working in this field, I genuinely think it's important for people (especially women) to understand that the law is not related to just physical contact or sex alone. Maybe the term "sexual harassment" is misleading. However, anything which makes a person uncomfortable or crosses a borderline is considered to be sexual harassment, the way it is defined in the country.

If the maid working in a house is uncomfortable with the way a man dresses around her, and / or is looking at her, she can make a sexual harassment complaint. It doesn't matter what the intent of the man was.

I am actually very very surprised that the actress was justifying to be honest. Everyone who works in a professional environment is expected to go through training on prevention of sexual harassment, which should cover these topics - again, as per law.

On a lighter note, I am trying to become an independent consultant in this area, and the lack of awareness on this gives me a lot of hope for my business in the future 😉

Very well said. In many corporate companies on the first day itself employees are made aware of anti sexual harassment law(we even need to write exam on it). Do employees really involve in unwanted sex at office? NO. However the slightest discomfort an employee feels can also be termed as sexual harassment like the way they look or moving physically close to you at your desk etc. If an employee raises an anti sexual harassment case to HR and if proved right they'll be immediately terminated depending on severity. And this is applied to both male and female.

Originally posted by: janhav

354D - Stalking

Any man who—

1. follows a woman and contacts, or attempts to contact such woman to foster personal interaction repeatedly despite a clear indication of disinterest by such woman; or
2. monitors the use by a woman of the internet, email or any other form of electronic communication,commits the offence of stalking1;Provided that such conduct shall not amount to stalking if the man who pursued it proves that—
   1. it was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime and the man accused of stalking had been entrusted with the responsibility of prevention and detection of crime by the State; or
   2. it was pursued under any law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any law; or
   3. in the particular circumstances such conduct was reasonable and justified.

So the point is that since law only recognizes a "man" as a stalker of a "woman", men don't have recourse to law when a woman does that. However, what Patralekha is doing to Virat after he has stated his lack of consent for the same amounts to "sexual harassment" under Section 354 D of IPC if it were to be applied to men. Since it doesn't apply to men, anything that a woman does to a man unless she commits another serious cognizable crime (attempt to murder/murder/acid attack/assault/forgery etc) will be seen as "innocent". I replied to your original post to explain that what she is doing does amount to sexual harassment by all means and it is not necessary that she has to actually trip over him or drug him and molest him for it to become sexual harassment. The very fact that she pushes him to have the "personal interaction" of the kind that he does not want, amounts to "sexual harassment".

If it was a man doing exactly what she is doing -- nothing more, nothing less -- he would be arrested under Section 354 D of IPC for "sexual harassment"

The very fact that she wants to know that her going to someone else's room as a family member is similar to her coming to his room , when he denies her presence in the room when Sai or Samrat are not there.... is sexual harassment..

Genders reversed, as I mentioned in another post of mine..It is sexual harassment....

My post here..

Reverse the situation... We have a Jija in love with his sali(who were in a relationship there) .. Jija's wife is MIA.. The Sali has clearly told she is not interested in him and asked him to stay away.. Circumstances land her into hospital after she has had a fight with her husband ... Jija does not let the husband enter.. stays with sali in the ICU in the name of taking care of her...touches her forehead with love, while she is unconscious and does not know she is being touched by someone who she has asked to keep a distance.. Next day Jija helps her lie down and does not leave her hand... tries to touch it with other hand and the lady aggressively removes her hand.. and asks him to not be present in the room when her husband is not there.. Tells him its not right and that she would like to see her husband.. The Jeeja after a lot of denying and berating her for not seeing his concern for her... goes out but saying he will do what he finds right and yet again decided to stay back.. and yet again stops the husband to take care of his own wife..

What do we call it Harassment? Help? Concern? Humanity? Its not just the scene in particular but considering what has happened in the last two days.. Where do we put Pakhi's behaviour.?

Originally posted by: sukri

Well said.

Ninad-Kaku

Ninad does not respect his own wife and therefore his behavior is misunderstood as EMA for Kaku, whereas we are shown a contrasting Omi-Sonali relation where they love each other and therefore we do not see Omi-Kaku relationship as EMA.

Even in hospital when Omi sambhalos Ashwini, it is acceptable and correct, however if Ninad did to Kaku in any situation we will be angry on him and say EMA.

Both Omi & Ninad have the same relationship with Kakau - blind Bhabhi bhakts and respect.

Another thing that binds them together are the criminal activities like separating Devkit , so they stick together like theives, hiding this info even from their respective spouses.

That being said, this is the only reason Omi/Ninad do not doubt Pakhi's intent towards Virat because they do not have such an intent towards their bhabhi and know kaku does not have such an intent towards them.

However all the other females in the house except for Mansi Bua and kaku & Mohit know Pakhi's love for Virat and her jealousy/anger for Sai is not the same as what Kaku has for Omi/Ninad.

Their problem is that Ashwini probably has been claiming EMA for Ninad-Kaku for so many years that now they don't even pay heed to her words. Now they think Ashwini has filled Sai's ears and making her do all the things that she couldn't do. This is one of the reasons they do not believe Sai.

Virat-Pakhi

She said only family is allowed, but still she sent away family and wife and stayed back as his (ex-girl)friend?

The reason Pakhi stayed back in hospital is because she knows Virat will be weak, and will not be in a position to protest much.

Finally she gets her turn to take care of him and show him how true her love for him is. Taking care will lead to physical touching as well, but not sure if that was her intention, otherwise she wouldn't stop thinking of Ashwini's words.

She thinks by doing all this she can rekindle the feelings of love or show him that she is the one who truly loves him, which will help him move on from Sai who doesn't love him or deserve him like she does.

Even she doesn't know if she loves him. She wants same kind of acceptance, love and similar praise that he does for Sai for herself. In her mind, it is not cheating or EMA, she is like if you can do that to Sai, why can't you that for me, not thinking about the actual relationship between him and her vs him and his wife.

She is harassing him for sure, not now, but for a long time.

They guy was actually disappointed when he asked about his family and she said they went back after knowing he is fine. Like any other person in Virat's place would be so sad hearing that they left him with her who is a new member in the family (not even his mom stayed back). But she couldn't even see that sadness.

I agree about your viewpoints on Kaku Ninad and the entire family. You are very right about Ashwini thinking it to be EMA and that's why they don't believe that Pakhi is wrong now.

Pakhi stayed back because she wanted to take care of him, due to her emotions, she just didn't care whether Virat will like or not. And as you are saying, she would have also known that he cannot protest in that state.

You are right, she stayed back to be able to show her care for him, to try to rekindle his feelings for her. She said that too right that you might not like me staying back but your thoughts would change looking at my care and affection for you? All that she wants is ultimately for him to acknowledge her feelings much more than he himself. Yes, she was worried for him but as I have already mentioned her worry makes no sense when she disregards his wants, his needs, "HIS WIFE SAI".

He is not acting stubborn or throwing tantrums, she is by forcing herself upon him, a weak patient.

He was disappointed that his family members had left because he didn't even have a choice to tell them what he wants. He could have expressed to his mom or his family whom he would have liked to stay back with him. Poor soul didn't even get that chance because of this self centred lady. That is why he started to call Sai and starred to get more desperate.

He not just got hurt or upset or worried that she stayed back the whole night in the room, he was shocked beyond words that she stayed back after a clear warning given by him in his room to stay away from him and to respect their relationship.

Whether she feels it or tells it ir not, it is as if she is conveying to him that

"I stayed back irrespective of whether you would have liked it or not. "

It is like a triumph for her, she should be ashamed about it. He has become a prized possession for her due to her obsession towards him, hatred towards Sai and because she is right now in a race with Sai.

He felt defeated that even after him clearly stating who she is to him, he went against his wishes, direspected his emotions and stayed back the whole night.

Yes, you are right, he has been getting harassed for a long time now.

Originally posted by: archanan14

Sorry to butt in again and keep posting long posts, but this is a topic very close to my heart (like I said, I am literally right creating training material on it with a printed copy of the Act on my lap as I type!). Sexual harassment is definitely a subjective topic AND experience, and the government handbook on prevention of sexual harassment at the workplace also says this. I work in HR and I have known of a case where a male colleague leaned over a female colleague who asked for help with a presentation - and she filed a sexual harassment complaint, which was allowed as per law, because it was her subjective experience that she felt her boundaries were crossed, regardless of his intent.

The reason I am talking about this is because, as a person working in this field, I genuinely think it's important for people (especially women) to understand that the law is not related to just physical contact or sex alone. Maybe the term "sexual harassment" is misleading. However, anything which makes a person uncomfortable or crosses a borderline is considered to be sexual harassment, the way it is defined in the country.

If the maid working in a house is uncomfortable with the way a man dresses around her, and / or is looking at her, she can make a sexual harassment complaint. It doesn't matter what the intent of the man was.

I am actually very very surprised that the actress was justifying to be honest. Everyone who works in a professional environment is expected to go through training on prevention of sexual harassment, which should cover these topics - again, as per law.

On a lighter note, I am trying to become an independent consultant in this area, and the lack of awareness on this gives me a lot of hope for my business in the future 😉

In a friends company a girl filed a case on a man for commenting on her nailpolish and she said she felt uncomfortable with his remarks on her nails and fingers.. The guy was ousted.

Originally posted by: KBBofRCIBC

I am copy pasting a part of JankiRaghav’s post from this same thread because she has written it more clearly.

JankiRaghav Post:

But, if you apply these parameters in principle, then questions like:

"Meri life me tumhari kya jagah hai?"

"Sai mein aisa kya hai jo mujh me nahi hai?"

"Main tumhare bedroom mein dinner kyun nahi khaa sakti?"

"Tum apni biwi ke saath apne bedroom mein special moment mana sakte ho... toh ye moment special kyun nahi ho sakta?"
"Tumhari biwi hoti toh usse bhi jaane ko kehte?"
"Hamare guzre huye rishtey ko mat jhootlaao"
actually, amount to sexual harassment because they are pushing the person into a relationship he/she doesn't want -- as per the definitions laid down in law and not because we are replused by the woman in the story.

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the parameters she is mentioning are the actual law and penal codes that exist in our country which you might know already.

I felt it was sexual harassment because of the above mentioned points by her. It’s not just specific to today’s episode.

The offscreen drama I think we should just ignore IMO for our own sanity. Even 9 the word sexual harassment was used by the Pakhi actress and not by the user.

@bold They can deny all they want. They have always been trying to gain sympathy for the character and have never been able to accept that she is an Antagonist, why are they going to accept any deeds of the character Pakhi?

You know that even I didn't think and wasn't sure if it was sexual harassment or not. But going through all legal technicalities, I am made to revisit my opinion and comments.

It can be argued whether it is sexual harassment or not, but cannot be outrightly refused. Anyway, in the offscreen drama, from my understanding, the sexual harassment words were brought by the actress and not by the author of the original post to which the actress had replied.

May be they also need to read the law before coming to a conclusion or before defending. They hardly know about the character they are playing. People in the forum have analysed and understood characters much more than them. Even the writers would be surprised with all our understanding 🤣.

Let us try to stay away from the offscreen drama anyway. I shouldn't have got diverted from the main topic 🙈, couldn't stop myself from commenting now.

Originally posted by: sukri

Well said.

Ninad-Kaku

Ninad does not respect his own wife and therefore his behavior is misunderstood as EMA for Kaku, whereas we are shown a contrasting Omi-Sonali relation where they love each other and therefore we do not see Omi-Kaku relationship as EMA.

Even in hospital when Omi sambhalos Ashwini, it is acceptable and correct, however if Ninad did to Kaku in any situation we will be angry on him and say EMA.

Both Omi & Ninad have the same relationship with Kakau - blind Bhabhi bhakts and respect.

Another thing that binds them together are the criminal activities like separating Devkit , so they stick together like theives, hiding this info even from their respective spouses.

That being said, this is the only reason Omi/Ninad do not doubt Pakhi's intent towards Virat because they do not have such an intent towards their bhabhi and know kaku does not have such an intent towards them.

However all the other females in the house except for Mansi Bua and kaku & Mohit know Pakhi's love for Virat and her jealousy/anger for Sai is not the same as what Kaku has for Omi/Ninad.

problem is that Ashwini probably has been claiming EMA for Ninad-Kaku for so many years that now they don't even pay heed to her words. Now they think Ashwini has filled Sai's ears and making her do all the things that she couldn't do. This is one of the reasons they do not believe Sai.

Virat-Pakhi

She said only family is allowed, but still she sent away family and wife and stayed back as his (ex-girl)friend?

The reason Pakhi stayed back in hospital is because she knows Virat will be weak, and will not be in a position to protest much.

Finally she gets her turn to take care of him and show him how true her love for him is. Taking care will lead to physical touching as well, but not sure if that was her intention, otherwise she wouldn't stop thinking of Ashwini's words.

She thinks by doing all this she can rekindle the feelings of love or show him that she is the one who truly loves him, which will help him move on from Sai who doesn't love him or deserve him like she does.

Even she doesn't know if she loves him. She wants same kind of acceptance, love and similar praise that he does for Sai for herself. In her mind, it is not cheating or EMA, she is like if you can do that to Sai, why can't you that for me, not thinking about the actual relationship between him and her vs him and his wife.

She is harassing him for sure, not now, but for a long time.

They guy was actually disappointed when he asked about his family and she said they went back after knowing he is fine. Like any other person in Virat's place would be so sad hearing that they left him with her who is a new member in the family (not even his mom stayed back). But she couldn't even see that sadness.

Agree with all your points.... But @ bold. I don't think even ashwini blames ninad and Kaku of having EMA , yes she is hurt that ninad gives ninad more importance Kaku and Kaku controlled ninad but I don't think she don't blame them of having EMA because we can't deny as much as Ashwini dislike Kaku she also respects Kaku... Even in hospital scene when she got to know virat was shot at chest, she first went and sat beside Kaku... So I definitely think her taunts are basically for Kaku involving between them but not pointing towards EMA

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

Agree with all your points.... But @ bold. I don't think even ashwini blames ninad and Kaku of having EMA , yes she is hurt that ninad gives ninad more importance Kaku and Kaku controlled ninad but I don't think she don't blame them of having EMA because we can't deny as much as Ashwini dislike Kaku she also respects Kaku... Even in hospital scene when she got to know virat was shot at chest, she first went and sat beside Kaku... So I definitely think her taunts are basically for Kaku involving between them but not pointing towards EMA

Funnily I just agreed to Sukri's theory though I have always thought in a way you have said. I have a mixed feeling about it. I have always been confused as what is Ashwini trying to hint.

Like you say, Ashwini's respect towards Bhavani is what makes me think that she doesn't think they are having an EMA. Also, imagine would she have let Ninad hug he if she thinks that way? It looks like Ashwini is upset and hints at these two since they are both emotionally attached, much more than one should or for her liking.

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

Agree with all your points.... But @ bold. I don't think even ashwini blames ninad and Kaku of having EMA , yes she is hurt that ninad gives ninad more importance Kaku and Kaku controlled ninad but I don't think she don't blame them of having EMA because we can't deny as much as Ashwini dislike Kaku she also respects Kaku... Even in hospital scene when she got to know virat was shot at chest, she first went and sat beside Kaku... So I definitely think her taunts are basically for Kaku involving between them but not pointing towards EMA

Even I think its not EMA.. she blames her for controlling her relationship with Ninad.. Taking a call on their relationship and Ninad choses to agree since he respects Vehni and believes she is right and Ashwini is unpadh ..gawaar and an unwanted wife..

Also when Sai created that drama during her results, she wanted Sai to apologise to Kaku first..

Originally posted by: archanan14

Sorry to butt in again and keep posting long posts, but this is a topic very close to my heart (like I said, I am literally right creating training material on it with a printed copy of the Act on my lap as I type!). Sexual harassment is definitely a subjective topic AND experience, and the government handbook on prevention of sexual harassment at the workplace also says this. I work in HR and I have known of a case where a male colleague leaned over a female colleague who asked for help with a presentation - and she filed a sexual harassment complaint, which was allowed as per law, because it was her subjective experience that she felt her boundaries were crossed, regardless of his intent.

The reason I am talking about this is because, as a person working in this field, I genuinely think it's important for people (especially women) to understand that the law is not related to just physical contact or sex alone. Maybe the term "sexual harassment" is misleading. However, anything which makes a person uncomfortable or crosses a borderline is considered to be sexual harassment, the way it is defined in the country.

If the maid working in a house is uncomfortable with the way a man dresses around her, and / or is looking at her, she can make a sexual harassment complaint. It doesn't matter what the intent of the man was.

I am actually very very surprised that the actress was justifying to be honest. Everyone who works in a professional environment is expected to go through training on prevention of sexual harassment, which should cover these topics - again, as per law.

On a lighter note, I am trying to become an independent consultant in this area, and the lack of awareness on this gives me a lot of hope for my business in the future 😉

This is completely out of the serial thing just for general knowledge as we are talking about most important topic and you are into this field, don't you think some people are taking advantage of these laws... Sometimes people might have done unknowingly for once, so without giving them warning or asking them to stop or Expressing discomfort.... isn't it right to file case right away? I feel some might not realize what they might be doing like small things like commenting on nail polish, if you say no, they also it continues they it's time to take action right???

This show normalising several different kinds of abuses in the name of love.