Deyi gayi choot - Page 4

Originally posted by: laksh

I have already given my understanding in the previous page. It did not look or sound harmful to me. But that is true only wrt to the word he had used.

@bold Let's also not forget that he is the same man who had stood quiet many times when his family taunted her right in front of him, when someone questioned her character right in front of him. The same man who had jumped to conclusions before hearing her side of the story.

Even during the time when he had revealed about Pulkit at home with the evidene he had gathered, he kept standing quiet getting emotional and crying with his Tai, when his wife was getting taunted and humiliated. Giving stares aren't enough.

There is nothing to disagree, that he lets his emotions overpower him many times, has no control over it, especially when it is about his family and does things which he shouldn't.

I haven't forgotten he has passed judgments some times without hearing both sides but isn't he a human who can make mistakes. I have also not forgotten Sai has done this more than Virat but that's either gets covered under 18 yr old carpet, provocation from CN, or her trauma. The same luxury is not extended to Virat. I don't t like bringing Sai here but brought as an example to show she is flawed as well and Virat is no different.

To be honest, I did not understand the message the post was trying to convey when we are on the same page that he didn't mean to control her.

Originally posted by: laksh

I cannot see any reason why Virat's mistake is not seen or accepted. I do not find it even necessary for us to tell that he is wrong, justifying him is out of question. He is wrong, period.

Also, everytime Virat makes a mistake, rather than condemning his actions, why should Sai's mistakes be brought into picture? It is is beyond my comprehension now.

His behavior could be as a result of her action. I have always been saying that there is no point in her crying, because she will have to face its consequences.

But if this is the consequence, I don't think there should be a single person who should be defending his actions or who should be using her action as a defense to his reaction.

Sai being wrong doesn't make Virat right especially when he is acting inhuman. Let's just face it, not letting someone enter the house, is definitely not acceptable.

Let's just accept he is wrong and there is nothing wrong in accepting one is wrong. If we as audience cannot accept the mistake of our favourite characters, how can we expect anything especially from a fictional character.

Virat is not at all being right, clouded by emotions, enraged and is acting regressive. Period.

no concern for her safety leaving a girl out like that at night. she could be raped. there is 80% possibility of that

Originally posted by: deepzz

Dialogue could have been different. Instead of Sai ko choot di hai it would have been better, if Virat said maine aaj tak Sai ka jo SAATH diya uska natija hai yeh.

Choot di gayi hai is suitable with parents and their minor kids as it means that freedom is GIVEN to someone and that is what parents GIVE to their minor kids but for adults, they already HAVE their freedom. Using wisely or misusing it depends on individual adult but nobody has to give it to them, neither parents nor husband.

saath diya would mean a bit differ, even friends be saath dete hain. Bcoz its a family issue (he went against his family & gave her permission to study, stood up for her against the family etc), saath diya would not be appropriate for this scene. Choot diya is not the exactly preferred word but I can't think of any other for now - which has similar impact on what he was trying to convey.

I have see choot diya in husband & wife relations too.. I've seen wives pulling leg of husbands saying, mein ne aap ko choot diya aur aapne yeh karke aaye

Originally posted by: swanlaked

no concern for her safety leaving a girl out like that at night. she could be raped. there is 80% possibility of that

so you mean to say, all the girls who roam in the night have a probability of getting raped 80% of the time ? wow ! Daat deni padegi aap ke soch ko !

Virat mistakes ki list

Virat requesting KJ to postpone his VRS.

Virat taking KJ with him to to jagtap location after granting his VRS.

Keeping condition & marrying sai

Pushing pakhi down d throat of sai by trying to make them mentor student or friends.

Blaming sai & his duty for giving up pakhi

Blaming sai for Vittal mane case

Threatening sai to break KJ promise

Blaming sai for pakhi leaving d house

Slip of tongue pyardosti

Letting pakhi & family to insult sai by being a mute spectator.

Silent spectator during silbatta kand , never said anything to family but put ice to pakhi when sai made grind mirch on sil batta.

Dare to call sai wrong & speak against sai .

Wanted family members to force fully apply alta on sai & asked karishma to drag her down

Got jealous of amay & aniket, asked sai not to participate in annual function.

Went to pakhi's room in night for asking food

Spying on aniket misusing his power

Volunteered to go with pakhi to ladakh for samrat without caring to ask sai.

Not saying anything to pakhi who asked his clothes to be packed in her suitcase

Taking sai with him to ladakh without informing family & dared to thing something good for her.

Hell bent to make pakhi & sai frnds.

Asked sword from sai pakhi to behead him.

Try to ask why sai was going to PD sir on Sunday.

Tried blocking sai's way & manhandled her by holding her hand

Counting his ehsaan on her

Asking her to manage studies & work together , gel with his dil ke acche log

Stopping sai from having food

Telling her she is using his money

Brushing aside 10 yr past of family members & not paying attention to devi's condition , blindly trusting kaku mandali.

Not for background check of pulkit himself & putting burden on sai

Trusting a random letter & not doing investigation properly

Not trusting sai blindly

Dint allow sai to ask questions to pakhi on ladakh trip day.

Dint said anything to ninad when he was about to slap sai.

Spending time with pakhi on swing by ignoring sai.

Dare to say sai mere khilaf nhi ja sakti

Again not trusting sai & pulkit blindly

Not trusting d document given by pulkit

Dare to speak choot word against sai

Not opening door for sai when she returned from devkit marriage

In future will throwing sai out of d house.

So I do know where virat is wrong I m not blind to his faults.

Mein kuch bhul gayi to add kar dijiye .

Biggest mistake of virat why is alive why don't he die so that fan can get new adharashwadi ML for sai.

Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

I haven't forgotten that he is the same man who has fought for her 100 times on way bigger issues and took a stand for her. If he hadn't done for few times due to other bigger issues at hand then I wouldn't make it a big deal and call him out forgetting all the good things he does for her . I sometimes wonder he is expected to jump to her defence every time even when he is an emotional mess. It's like his priority should be her feelings rather than his ( in reference to Tai’s case stated above)

I haven't forgotten he has passed judgments some times without hearing both sides but isn't he a human who can make mistakes. I have also not forgotten Sai has done this more than Virat but that's either gets covered under 18 yr old carpet, provocation from CN, or her trauma. The same luxury is not extended to Virat. I don't t like bringing Sai here but brought as an example to show she is flawed as well and Virat is no different.

To be honest, I did not understand the message the post was trying to convey when we are on the same page that he didn't mean to control her.

You are right, we are on the same page. The only reason for my message was that the below line is not entirely true.

"he is the same man who asked her to give back when his family members taunt her."

What he has asked and what he has done has been varying. Many say things but fail to follow it or remember it. Just asking her to do it alone is not enough. I don't deny he has stood for her many times but he has failed her many times too

He had failed in the case of Amay's incident, where she started to fight more after his Dad had threatened to hit her,

he failed by stopping her from asking questions to Pakhi when she was humiliated,

he failed by not listening to her side of the story during the Alta incident.

It is not like his good deeds are not seen, his mistakes are not ending and especially the latest one.

I have associated her age only to say that she is inexperienced and is going to take time to learn, not to ever justify her mistakes. I have only used her age to asscociate it with her pain, with her Dad's death, not to cover her mistakes. So I am not sure how you are brining it up.

What you are failing to see is that he does a lot of good things but has failed in many crucial things. He never did anything, just gave a glare to his Dad who raised hands on her. That moment, he might have got preoccupied, but I haven't seen him adressing it at all, in anyway later too.

I agree, he need not be doing things only for her, looking at only her feelings, but the expectations is that he actually treats her like his own family member. Would he have not opened the door for his Mom or Kaku or Mohit or Karishma or his Dad or Pakhi?

Originally posted by: laksh

You are right, we are on the same page. The only reason for my message was that the below line is not entirely true.

"he is the same man who asked her to give back when his family members taunt her."

On the same line, he had asked her to be mindful of her tone. We cannot deny that Sai doesn't pick her battles wisely. He believes she doesn't have any ill intentions and had heart of gold but from his experience with her in GC, he also believes she can be rude and unreasonable at times. So he thinks she might be doing the same with others. Most of the times he is kept in the dark and he is not at home to know the complete picture.

What he has asked and what he has done has been varying. Many say things but fail to follow it or remember it. Just asking her to do it alone is not enough. I don't deny he has stood for her many times but he has failed her many times too

He had failed in the case of Amay's incident, where she started to fight more after his Dad had threatened to hit her,he failed by stopping her from asking questions to Pakhi when she was humiliated, he failed by not listening to her side of the story during the Alta incident.

I won't blame him completely for the Amay case. He stood up for in front of his family supported her in front of Amay’s sister and wife without knowing the full story. He trusted her words but Sai‘s certain reaction provoked him. I remember one of our discussion about Sai’s reaction to CN is because of their provocation.

Alta episode I have criticized him enough in my old post and I don't have anything much to add. Regarding slap, he stopped his father and questioned him on his behavior. There was a bigger issue at hand and his attention was on it. I won't blame him for not addressing it again. He had conveyed to his father in clear terms

It is not like his good deeds are not seen, his mistakes are not ending and especially the latest one.

He is a human and until he is alive he will make mistakes. I can say the same about other characters too.

I have associated her age only to say that she is inexperienced and is going to take time to learn, not to ever justify her mistakes. I have only used her age to asscociate it with her pain, with her Dad's death, not to cover her mistakes. So I am not sure how you are bringing it up.

I am saying in general how her mistakes are overlooked. not many question her even when she is at fault. It was a general statement

What you are failing to see is that he does a lot of good things but has failed in many crucial things. He never did anything, just gave a glare to his Dad who raised hands on her. That moment, he might have got preoccupied, but I haven't seen him adressing it at all, in anyway later too.

I have answered above what I feel about the slap.

I agree, he need not be doing things only for her, looking at only her feelings, but the expectations is that he actually treats her like his own family member. Would he have not opened the door for his Mom or Kaku or Mohit or Karishma or his Dad or Pakhi?

The discussion was about his choot dena right? My response was for that

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

Virat mistakes ki list

Virat requesting KJ to postpone his VRS.

Virat taking KJ with him to to jagtap location after granting his VRS.

Keeping condition & marrying sai

Pushing pakhi down d throat of sai by trying to make them mentor student or friends.

Blaming sai & his duty for giving up pakhi

Blaming sai for Vittal mane case

Threatening sai to break KJ promise

Blaming sai for pakhi leaving d house

Slip of tongue pyardosti

Letting pakhi & family to insult sai by being a mute spectator.

Silent spectator during silbatta kand , never said anything to family but put ice to pakhi when sai made grind mirch on sil batta.

Dare to call sai wrong & speak against sai .

Wanted family members to force fully apply alta on sai & asked karishma to drag her down

Got jealous of amay & aniket, asked sai not to participate in annual function.

Went to pakhi's room in night for asking food

Spying on aniket misusing his power

Volunteered to go with pakhi to ladakh for samrat without caring to ask sai.

Not saying anything to pakhi who asked his clothes to be packed in her suitcase

Taking sai with him to ladakh without informing family & dared to thing something good for her.

Hell bent to make pakhi & sai frnds.

Asked sword from sai pakhi to behead him.

Try to ask why sai was going to PD sir on Sunday.

Tried blocking sai's way & manhandled her by holding her hand

Counting his ehsaan on her

Asking her to manage studies & work together , gel with his dil ke acche log

Stopping sai from having food

Telling her she is using his money

Brushing aside 10 yr past of family members & not paying attention to devi's condition , blindly trusting kaku mandali.

Not for background check of pulkit himself & putting burden on sai

Trusting a random letter & not doing investigation properly

Not trusting sai blindly

Dint allow sai to ask questions to pakhi on ladakh trip day.

Dint said anything to ninad when he was about to slap sai.

Spending time with pakhi on swing by ignoring sai.

Dare to say sai mere khilaf nhi ja sakti

Again not trusting sai & pulkit blindly

Not trusting d document given by pulkit

Dare to speak choot word against sai

Not opening door for sai when she returned from devkit marriage

In future will throwing sai out of d house.

So I do know where virat is wrong I m not blind to his faults.

Mein kuch bhul gayi to add kar dijiye .

Biggest mistake of virat why is alive why don't he die so that fan can get new adharashwadi ML for sai.

@bold these are not his mistakes, but what any individual would do given any such situation..

@Red Calm down dear. No one wants Virat to die, just do not want a good ML who was introduced as righteous to be turned into Male chauvinist.