Originally posted by: 404_NotFound
Laksh , I am in love with your analysis . You have turned this discussion into a very interesting one . I agree with Lakshmi, that you understand Sai really well .
Thanks, not sure how well 😆
I am quoting few of your post and sharing my perceptive in blue
@bold I doubt if she even understands it 😂😂. Don't mean to joke, it is plain ignorance, inability to understand how her behavior or how her decisions can even bother Virat or cause trouble to him, when all she is doing is only standing up for right.
She strongly believes that she would never harm anyone and whatever she does is only for the good of someone. Her belief in her value system blinds her own actions many times and hence ignores the path she takes, the process she follows.
Virat's worries are beyond her comprehension.
For example
It is like telling
"Dekh lenge Virat sir, ismein itna kya sochna"
Or
"Kuch galat toh nahi kar rahi hoon toh aap inta chinta kyun kar rahe hain"
Or
"Mein toh sahi ka hi saath de rahi hoon na, toh aap mujhme galti kyun nikal rahe hain, aapko tha sahi maayne mein mera saath dena chahiye aur aap mujhe hi suna rahe hain, chup kara rahe hain"
None of these above dialogues were used or may be used in similar lines. I brought this up to tell what kind of attitude she carries when it comes to her actions. Her raised voice, her inability to withdraw from a conflict or attitude of jumping the gun are not something she sees as a concern or something she needs to work on.
You explained it really well what I was feeling about her body language .Sometimes even when Sai has point , her raised voice filled with arrogance and her I don’t care attitude irks me . The main agenda of the discussion is lost .Kudos to Ayesha for portraying Sai so perfectly . Forget CN , she needs this skill in her professional life as well . Being calm , composed and having control over emotions during an argument is a very important skill . Virat is trying to tell her the same
Yeah and I believe that she will learn it one day. As you have said, it is needed in her professional life as well.
Her determination to do something takes away her focus from how she does that.
This is exactly where she is lacking. So it is not that she doesn't bother, she has no clue if she even has to change her ways 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I have to admit that I see some difference in her attitude after staying with Virat . She is slowing trying to follow his advise . In one of the interviews ,Ayesha said admitted this . Virat time and again have said the same , her intentions are right but she needs to keep her tone in check .I think she realizes it but it’s take time for her to change .
Definitely, that's why I have always felt that she does listen to him. There have been many times that she has argued or been too stubborn but I have seen her taking his views into consideration and also learning a few things from him.
Also, about taking Virat's opinion into consideration
Apart from the above said reasons I think it has also got to do with the independence she had at her Dad's place.
She was given the liberty to take decisions, it probably was also got to do with the fact that he was at work and she was alone at home and he couldn't always interfere or keep a check on her actions. Usha Maushi can only do so much.
As much as honest and 'insaaf pasand' her Dad was, he loved her a lot and had let go of many mistakes that she committed.
It sometimes happens with single parents, he was a father to her, Sai was a daughter who lost her mother and so he wanted her to felt loved and in that process had failed to be stern with her, failed to ask her to own up her actions or words, instead he chose to apologise on her behalf.
And once she grew up, the hard times or the harassment that she faced due to Jagtap, only made him empathize with her. Also, with just the two of them, they would have hardly had anything like how they have in CN. But his reaction or inaction when Sai was misbehaving with Virat was absolutely not right and it only might seem to her like, Aaba would have corrected me if I am wrong and it had indirectly encouraged her to continue to carry on with that attitude.
Just like when a child who grows up in an abusive environment turns rebellious, children who are pampered a lot also turn into one. Not all though. I am sorry if I had offended anyone by saying this, this is the general notion and also something we have noticed.
I agree with you .Kamal sir could have stopped Sai from misbehaving with Virat. He kept giving excuses for her mistakes . This is one of the reasons why I have so much respect for Virat . Sai was not his wife then yet he understood her outburst and was generous enough to not make this an issue . She was invading his personal space , passing comments on his abilities as an officer and was blaming him for everything going wrong without knowing the reality . I don’t think anyone in his position would have tolerated her.I always wondered what made DIG praise Sai as Kohinoor . I will be curious to know if he will tolerate her like Virat did . I don’t deny that Sai has a hear of good but DIG hasn’t seen any of those to make such statements
😂😂 I think he meant her saaf dil personality or that she is good at heart. I would say, it all went wrong with Virat, she might have behaved differently with him if not for Jagtap and her desperation to leave GC to avoid Jagtap and his atrocities.
As you have said Virat was very patient and he let go of many things that she did. I think that quality in him has come because he sees wicked and cunning people being let go of by his Aai. Sai, though was rude and arrogant wasn't a wicked person. It probably helped him to act magnanimous with her.
I will be bashed for this, this is just my observation. I could be wrong too. 🤭🤭
She has many good qualities, so with time, and by staying with Aai and Virat, will be good if she learns a few things.
Count me in . I believe the same
😂😂
Virat, on the other hand, grew up in CN and we know how they all are, chauvinistic, old fashioned, prejudiced, mean. He has seen his Dad and also his Mom. We all know and can clearly see, the kids were raised by Ashwini Aai.
Aai is a 'murti' of patience. I don't like a few things she does, but she is the most lovable person in that family. How can we expect one person be right in everything, it isn't fair, so my above statement can never stop me from loving her 😂😂. She is the best and the most adorable of all.
Her values, behavior, attitude, character are all intact. On top it all a very good mother who imparted good morals and virtues in Virat.
The reason why Virat is the way he is is because of his Aai and the house he grew up in, but even if not for CN, she would never let him raise voice and talk to elders disrespectfully.
Though throwing tantrums would have been out of question in CN, being the son of the family, don't think his Dad or Kaku would have had issues, but it is Aai who had kept his actions, words and behavior in check.
His patience, the knack to deal with people, magnanimity, goodness has come from Aai.
Definitely. Ashwini has been a mother to all the kids of CN .
Expectations from parents and family also will dictate a child's behavior. The expectations in CN has always been high and we can see that.
Samrat and Virat have successful careers and it can attributed to their upbringing. They had Nagesh Chavan and Ninad to look upto . This is one reason why I feel bad that they turned Ninad into a criminal . He was a man of principle though he had personal issue with his wife . They totally butchered his character . Virat looked up to him and he was close to him as much as he was to his Aai .
I was watching an old scene to gather some info for my fan fiction and I was shocked to watch the scene where Sunny tells Virat that your Dad could be your friend but he anyway belongs to a different generation and what else can be expected. They have been butchering all characters in this show. The show will soon turn to
Ghum ho gaye saare characters
But it is the same environment who have made the kids in the house not to voice out their opinions, made them to withdraw from a confrontation even when one is right, accept defeat, ignore mistakes or atrocities, not point out someone's mistakes.
Sai and Virat grew up in contrasting families but both of them have good morals. Both believe in justice and whatever above said qualities Virat lacked, he started to develop them seeing how bold Sai was, how she doesn't care what others think but is only interested in setting things right, she can't turn blind when something goes wrong, will never compromise on her self respect, instead has Ego 😂😂 and will never back off from any argument.
She was just being stubborn, had deciced to do something and thought that she is going to get justice for Bua and so nothing else mattered. Her way to address the issue wasn't a matter of concern for her. Also, it has got to do with many of the points that I have covered above.
Also, if you try and remember the scene where she wanted to save Pari when she was in safe house and Vittal had laid a trap for her, the way she started to try to escape to save the girl without thinking of the consequences, don't mean she didn't care just about her life, she also didn't care why she was locked up in the safe house, couldn't think straight, that's how she is and she behaves.
Virat wasn't her husband back then and it came out only as if he had a hard time convincing her. Back then she kept quiet or complied with him because she would be interfering with his duty if she went against him and had gone to save Pari.
I remember this scene . Instead of praising her Kamal Joshi and Virat could have taught her some duniya dari . I agree she was selfless but is that enough in this world to survive .Isn't it a responsibility of a parent to teach her some street smartness . Why not encourage her to learn on how to asses the situation and take help if required before making a decision . Virat couldn’t do anything as he was not her husband but he could have highlighted this to Kamal Sir .
He took pride in many things she did. He always kept defending saying dil ki acchi hai or woh meri guroor hai. It all could be true, but when a child has to be corrected, they have to be. She told that her Aaba has taught to get food for all or has taught to speak only the truth or do only what is right. When she has learnt these which is what people fail to learn or adhere, why wouldn't she learn if he had taught other things?
He could have taught a lot of simple and basic things. May be he was busy or may be her behavior started to change only after Jagtap harassed her and so he let it pass, I don't know. I like Sai and when she says I can't tolerate when something goes wrong in front of me, I am always made to wonder how did her Dad tolerate things that she did wrong. It could have been only with Virat, but even then it wasn't justified. I strongly believe Sai values Virat in many things and his words too, have observed it. I am sure she would have corrected her actions if her Dad pointed it to her.
But the same cannot be said in the case during Amay's issue.
She wasn't obliged to follow his orders since it wasn't an official thing and so she had made up her mind that only her plan was going to prove Bua's innocence in front of Amay's wife and Virat's family.
She was shocked beyond words as how they had doubted their own daugher, how they didn't stand up for her but instead believed those other women and accused Bua of infidelity.
She was raised by a loving Dad and this was not something she could understand, not something she thought someone could ever do, to their own daughter. She doesn't have much of exposure.
But as you said, she was wrong. Whatever character trait I have pointed out, doesn't mean that she was right.
Her approach was wrong and neither Virat nor Sai were in the right frame of mind to turn into one team and handle the issue.
He was mad at her, had lost it probably for the very first time and she couldn't handle that. She has never ever seen him to be so harsh or stern or loud with her, but I thing after that incident she became aware that he can also grow angry or mad, he also can shout and fight with her. But ultimately, a task that both could have handled in a better way, went out of hands.
Though one could argue, he alone was enough for the task, I don't know why I feel he wouldn't have been able to prove Bua's innocence to his family. May be they should have found a way for that too without her getting involved in it
Also, about creating tamasha, I didn't find it that bad. I hated when she brought his past in front of the family, this was still okay considering the fact that when those women came walking to CN and damaged Bua's image, it is okay if her image gets cleared in front of everyone. It just happened that way I think, because Sai probably didn't expect the neighbours to show up.
@Bold I don’t bring this topic in most discussions because the discussion circles back to how Virat promised Pakhi so she isn’t saying anything wrong . I had said this in janaki’s topic ..she broke a trust between husband and wife by revealing his past . He had shared her about his past with some trust thinking she would be mature enough to handle it but she broke his trust . I think that might be another reason why Virat doesn’t open up about his changed feelings . He is too scared to trust her given her impulsive nature .
Virat promising Pakhi and her bringing his past in front of his family is not related at all. That was his decision and this is her action which cannot be justified. I agree, she broke his trust. But about Virat opening up about his changed feelings, don't think it is because of this broken trust.
It has because he himself is not sure what he is feeling. So far, from what I have noticed, he wants to know her feelings towards him, he likes to hear or know about his importance in her life but the guy hasn't actually thought why he wants to know it. He hasn't asked himself why he wanted to know if he can be loved by her. Also, because he doesn't want her to repel him.
He was the one who told her that he will only take up her responsibility and cannot be her husband. He was always shocked with her response to it.
It is this response from her which he is worried of. He strongly believes that Sai doesn't want to be his wife and she wants to leave as soon as she becomes a doctor.
Just like how Sai doesn't know his feelings for her, Virat doesn't know that she likes him and would love to have a relationship with him.
He is under an impression that if he reveals what he feels for her or asks her to consider this marriage as a real one, she will freak out. She will question him how could he even expect it from her and that she has and will never have any feelings for him.
It is not just the fear of rejection, he thinks if she comes to know of his feelings
- she might refuse to take his help after that and he doesn't want to come between her and her dreams by revealing about his feelings
Or
- she might force herself to accept this marriage because she is obliged to or because she owes him and not because she wants it
He wouldn't want the above two. A lot do feel that he has to tell. May be, he can someday tell her who Pakhi is to him in the present and also that he has no commitment, not anymore. He need not be revealing about his feelings if he fears her reaction.
Anyway, I have absolutely no expectations from him and at this point of time I won't even judge him if he doesn't open up to tell you honestly. I don't know, have seen many expecting this and only this could solve the problem, I am still not able to see it and I also feel that if he opens up, we will lose the plot of the story 🙈🙈
I think the whole story revolves around this and they are not going to make it simple and it would also not be this interesting if they make it simple. The friction is needed and as much as it is hurting the both, I feel, it is bringing them more closer. I am probably the only one who think this way and people must be thinking I am joking or I am being crazy 🤭🤭
These were some which made me feel she doesn’t care about him
It is not that she didn't care about him, it is just that she never thought it would be an issue for him.
She does it because, the Virat she thinks she knows, would not have issues with it and is not a person who would worry about his image but instead would only be concerned about his Bua.
She has faith in him that such things wouldn't matter to him. To tell the truth, the tamasha only bothered the gang and didn't bother Aai or Virat.
We came to know later and I was surprised too, she had rightly guessed that the reason behind Virat's anger was because she flirted with Amay.
It’s one of favorite scene in the show . There were so many emotions involved in the scene and we need a separate thread to discuss about this .Both Sai and Virat surprised me with their reactions . I never expected her to guess the real reason behind Virat’s anger
Me too, it came in as a big surprise to me 😆😆
Also we can see another contrast in behavior between Sai and Pakhi. Sai stood for what is right, fought for Bua, brought her justice when Pakhi was siding with the elders of the family who were being unreasonable with Bua.
It is not this contrast I am talking about, this same Pakhi who failed to stand by Bua was more worried about tamasha being created whereas Sai stood by Bua and got her justice too and didn't care about the tamasha.
I don't think Virat had any issues with it. He felt proud of her though he didn't approve of her plan and actions which were really stupid. Pakhi realised that Virat wasn't happy with her and became impressed with Sai.
His concern or issue with Sai that day was the way she was fighting back with the family and her raised voice and tone towards his Dad. Also, I will owe to his foul mood, he couldn't believe she would flirt with anyone like that even if it was a fake one. He probably saw a woman in her that he has never seen in her, not in terms of apperance but her thoughts.
I totally agree with you on her feelings during GC . I sensed it too and I felt it was more like a infatuation or a crush kind of feeling . It’s common for an 18 yr old to feel. Mostly , girls have such feelings for their professors . Just like her friends, she had a crush on him but she never admitted it given the circumstances . He was a young handsome and intelligent officer with so much power at a young age so it was natural to feel that way
@bold I beg to differ. It was not these that attracted her, he was her saviour. He saved her from Jagtap and her Aaba's life from that sniper, technically Jagtap ofcourse. I think she was flattered with his kind nature like getting her food, mosquito ointment, buying medicines for her Aaba though she never admitted it.
And to top it all, her Dad used to be in all praise of him all the time. She has heard lot of good things about Virat and her Aaba's faith and confidence in Virat made him more attractive. Looks like she enjoyed and liked fighting with him, her tiffs with him, giving attitude to him and also his responses to all of these.
Really doubt if a person like Sai would go by looks.
I don’t think there is anything wrong if a 18 yr old girl crushes over a guy for his looks . In most cases , physical attraction is the first thing that happens and I believe Sai appreciated all the above qualities in him along with his looks and position .
It is not wrong if a girl likes someone for their looks but to me it isn't fitting well with her character. The way they have potrayed it and from my observations and understanding, she wouldn't have such thoughts. As you say she could have appreciated his looks but what I am saying is that even if he wasn't a good looking guy, she would have still liked him and would have had a crush on him. His looks are just bonus points. His position is impressive.
Any girl will have butterflies in her tummy if they see a young dashing officer blazing guns to protect her from the goons . If we forget about the gun usage , he was given a heroic entry where he got to save the girl and show his power . We need to discuss this scene in detail 😂. Many say he was disappointed that Sai didn’t hug him 🤪.. I want to believe that it was true though I doubt it
🤣lol, that heroic entry, that scene, don't know what to say 😂😂
I don't know if he wanted a hug from her, but I think he was expecting some kind of acknowledgement from her. It looked like he really was disappointed 😂😂
"We need to discuss this scene"
Something worth a new thread. Would be interesting and light hearted as well.
I am sorry if you didn't mean that. No offense.
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