Does Shaurya really consider Devi as Maa?

I somehow doubt that he considers Devi as his Maa because he still addresses her as badi maa, talks about being his only mother or Maa se badkar but he has not addressed her as Maa and somehow despite the wall of differences between Shaurya and Shaan he still seems emotionally close to his father.

His equation with Badi Maa seems to be that of Respect and Gratitude and nothing more. I mean he definitely loves her but as one would an aunt but that seems to be it. Even the affidavit that he made seems like an subconscious excuse to contact Aastha, challenge her sever ties with him legally but desperately wanting her to reject it.

I think this stems from the fact that one Aastha Sabarwal will always be his mom in his heart even if his head fights it, because when it comes to Aastha he is still the four year old boy that she left behind how can a four year old hate his mother? He can stay angry and cry for attention but not hate. Another factor could also be that he has consciously shut out Badi Maa because if "Maa" can abandon then why can't Badi Maa? In a way Devi's own poison has worked against her.

There seems to be line of boundary in his interactions with Devi because he never demands anything as one would of a mother.

What are your thoughts?

She made sure that he and Shaan remain indebt. So thats what Shaurya is. Deep in debt for her affections. But he knows ki Maa toh Maa hoti hai. If he really considered her as his mother he would just say ki thank god you left tabhi mujhe Badi Maa mili (even if he wants to hurt Astha) but he always complains.

If he really loved her like a mother, he would share everything and Devi would have known his deepest secrets and emotions but all she knows is superficial layer and the mask of hatred he wears. He always expresses his anger in front of her but never tells her if he is hurt or upset.

His Real emotions erupt only in front of Astha and Anokhi. And Anokhi is starting to read them, she is in learning stage.

Originally posted by: AK_2010

She made sure that he and Shaan remain indebt. So thats what Shaurya is. Deep in debt for her affections. But he k ows ki Maa toh Maa hoti hai. If he really considered her as his mother would just say ki thank god you left tabhi mujhe Badi Maa mili (even if he wants to hurt Astha) but he always complains.

If he really loved her like a mother, he would share everything and Devi would have known his deepest secrets and emotions but all she knows is superficial layer and the mask of hatred he wears. He always expresses his anger in front of her but never tells her if he is hurt or upset.

His Real emotions erupt only in front of Astha and Anokhi.

Agreed!

He is really guarded about sharing his emotions in general but even more so with Devi, in fact the more she tries to pry the higher his walls go!

Yeah I fully agree with you. I think he really respects her and is grateful to her for raising him, but it's indebtedness. Obviously it's not the case that adoptive parents will never be the same as birth parents so I agree with Shaurya on this. The problem is I think that Devi hasn't given him enough love and support to make him feel like her son. By constantly filling him with hatred and a reminder that he was abandoned, she hasn't given space for unconditional love. She says he's my son while on the other hand reminding him and others that she didn't have her own son so that she could raise Shaurya. How can these two statements be reconciled with each other? So Shaurya feels it that she loves him, but that he isn't her son. So while he definitely loves her, he doesn't feel free around her in any way. We're often hurt and we hurt only those who are closest to and Shaurya's raw and unfiltered words only come out around Aastha and Shaan whom he considers his. They are the ones who he had expectations from, they are his parents. He can't have those expectations from Devi because he considers what she did a favor. I felt like when he went to Aastha to cut ties with her because he is trying to lash out at her and hurt her like she hurt him. If she can choose to cut ties with him when he was young, now he'll return the favor. But the problem is that the more that he hurts her, the more that his hatred subsides and he just feels the pain of abandoment which can be addressed easier than anger.

Ever since Aastha came back into his life, he's been pulling away from Devi. In the beginning he would share absolutely everything with her and she had this weird control over his life. But now, he lied about going to visit Aastha in the hospital, he tell her when he went and started searching for Aastha, he cut her call during that time, and in yesterday's episode, he didn't tell her that Aastha was living in Shaan's apartment.

Devi is interesting to me and we need to know more about her background to understand the toxic relationship she has with Shaurya. Because I do think she loves him but other times I think it's because she sees him as her creation. The perfectly molded Sabherwal who does everything she says and behaves exactly how someone of his stature should. She sees her existence as inextricably tied to his, which is extremely unhealthy but also I wonder why she feels that way. Is it because of all the sacrifices she's made? Or is there something more there?

Originally posted by: infinitie

Yeah I fully agree with you. I think he really respects her and is grateful to her for raising him, but it's indebtedness. Obviously it's not the case that adoptive parents will never be the same as birth parents so I agree with Shaurya on this. The problem is I think that Devi hasn't given him enough love and support to make him feel like her son. By constantly filling him with hatred and a reminder that he was abandoned, she hasn't given space for unconditional love. She says he's my son while on the other hand reminding him and others that she didn't have her own son so that she could raise Shaurya. How can these two statements be reconciled with each other? So Shaurya feels it that she loves him, but that he isn't her son. So while he definitely loves her, he doesn't feel free around her in any way. We're often hurt and we hurt only those who are closest to and Shaurya's raw and unfiltered words only come out around Aastha and Shaan whom he considers his. They are the ones who he had expectations from, they are his parents. He can't have those expectations from Devi because he considers what she did a favor. I felt like when he went to Aastha to cut ties with her because he is trying to lash out at her and hurt her like she hurt him. If she can choose to cut ties with him when he was young, now he'll return the favor. But the problem is that the more that he hurts her, the more that his hatred subsides and he just feels the pain of abandoment which can be addressed easier than anger.

Ever since Aastha came back into his life, he's been pulling away from Devi. In the beginning he would share absolutely everything with her and she had this weird control over his life. But now, he lied about going to visit Aastha in the hospital, he tell her when he went and started searching for Aastha, he cut her call during that time, and in yesterday's episode, he didn't tell her that Aastha was living in Shaan's apartment.

Devi is interesting to me and we need to know more about her background to understand the toxic relationship she has with Shaurya. Because I do think she loves him but other times I think it's because she sees him as her creation. The perfectly molded Sabherwal who does everything she says and behaves exactly how someone of his stature should. She sees her existence as inextricably tied to his, which is extremely unhealthy but also I wonder why she feels that way. Is it because of all the sacrifices she's made? Or is there something more there?

@bold bingo!

You hit the nail on its head! Devi failed to create a safe space for Shaurya emotionally by constantly reminding him that his mother left him and didn't care for him.

Based on the few initial episodes I have caught up with it doesn't look like Badi maa was his confidante may be he spoke more to her then what he does now.

Devi is definitely intriguing I suspect her motivation must have been her own inability to concieve I know some viewers suspect it must be Tej but I doubt his male ego would have even allowed him to get tested.

I just hope all the things that Shaurya had to go through and even Shaan and Aastha had to go through because of Tej and Devi and misplaced ideals on how a family should function is addressed and they are not let scott free in the name of "Family hai, chalta hai" because they actually broke a family their own brother's family and hold on guilt or remorse whatsoever till now!

Alka Kaushal who plays Devi does do great job in the role, because she still manages to bring out that insecurity amidst all the plotting and ear filling

No. Hez just indebted to Devi for bringing him up. Hez still craving for his mother's love. Bt he hs built a wall around himself of indifference to help him cope up from all the hurt. ☹️

It will take a lot of effort from Astha to bring that down. Anokhi hz chipped the wall a bit. Bt there's ba long way to go for him to heal. 😔

What a point!

No he defiitely doesn't consider as his maa.

He considers more than maa to her.He feels indebted for his upbringing.In initial episodes it was shown how much he respects his badi maa,bhagwaan bhi aake bol de toh unse bhi lad jaaye.but however he could never forget the unconditional love his mother has with him.......

He had craved for Aasthaa's love,but he masks his ego stops him .....

Even in Gurdaspur episodes he was looking at Aasthaa when she snatches Anokhi and stops Anokhi's lecture.Tabhi Shaurya remembered Anokhi....Even in admission process when he was throwing things he says ,jo sapne use mere liye dekhne chahiye the.......

He wants Aastha to have dreams about him and he wants to complete her dreams too.......Subconciously,even when he went to Kapurthala to sign contract Aasthaa wasn't t home he did muttered nana-Nani to her parents but when they asked about him he could not say who he was?

and waited outside house as he feared what if his real emotions come out.......

Even he keeps saying he hates her and tells Devi outside hospital ki he doesn't even has relation of hate with Aasthaa wo bhi khatam.but professor sahab has aasthaa kashyap's photo in his cell when he was searching even the ones in Gurdaspur........He even had her no saved in his cell....Didn't he call and cut.......

Deeply he loves his maa so much that ,hos worst pains erupts only in front of her.And in the process his maa gets hurt,he gets double hurt ..his pain multiplies.....

I know many of us feel Anokhi's Aasthaa mam jaap hurts him bur no somehow I feel Anokhi is the one who understands his deepest pain .he craves and by hurting AAstha it is his pain which gets multiplied..It is true he will never be able to forgive Aasthaa for the 25 yrs he was left but still he craves for her love and saying Aasthaa away he is imulsifying his own pain......

Like Anokhi today mentioned itne saal dur rehne ke baad,itne pain main rehne ke baad wapas ushi mai kyu jeena and she will definitely break the shield which he is still running and in a way he will get healed.........

As,he can never move on by holding grudges against Aasthaa......It is the fact he hasn't accepted his longing and love for Aasthaa.The day he accepts it whole heartedly he will be able to be his true self .

And will be able to move-on........

Pyaar is a bandhan which he has with Aasthaa the day he will accept,he will be mukt of his pain........

Devi mainly has two types of convos with shaurya either when she filling him with so much hate for Aastha and feeding him lies about her or to prove how much has she done for him basically making him feel indebted to her.

Those rare times when she shows care, it seems so fake to me, as if she is showing care, just so that even that would be added to the number of debts that shaurya thinks he owes to her

Both of these convos have nothing related to love, care Or even gratitude.

The way he talked about badi maa in hospital screamed this fact there relation is only of him being indebted to her since she has done “so much” (of course done things like Filling his head with so much nafrat and toxicity)

I absolutely hate such manipulative people, imagine all such mind games being played with him since he was 4; this part breaks my heart much more that the whole mom son separation part since this manipulation is what has made him so insecure and closed off from everyone.

And the more I think of this the more I feel Shaan to me is not redeemable; aastha is such an amazing flawed character, and seems redeemable, but As far as Shaan goes, thinking ki all of this was happening in front of Shaan and he was just sitting there like Devdas is just so irresponsible. I mean You are totally free to be Devdas, but the thing is Devdas didn’t have 4 year old eyes looking to him for the support, love and care when his mom left, (who left with this bharosa in mind that her husband would at least be a good father) but he failed in both.

Anyways, As you said, if there was real love or respect, his main intention in the hospital won’t be to insult aastha but instead show her how his badi maa has supported him throughout; but latter didn’t seem his main intention.

Infact his main intention was not even to insult aastha; it was too reveal his grief, anger and frustration of 25 years to HIS MOM.

unrelated to the topic but if this is how Devi goes About dealing with anokhi the way she did today, that day won’t be far away when shaurya distances himself from her; reuniting with Aastha is his choice but I just want him to go As far away from his so called badi maa as possible. It literally is a part of his self care. That woman is just so toxic. (Inner me wants him to take a more firm stand for Gayatri and Kanchan and also notice how Devi treats both as second class citizens, and when time comes, take a firm stand for anokhi obviously)

I really don't think so. Yes, he does respect her a lot, maybe even love her but he is detached.

He doesn't share anything with her, lies to her when he feels that she would misunderstand him but never have I ever felt that connection from his side.

I think, maybe he just feels obligated to her, that's it.