Epi 187: Give and Take - Page 34

Originally posted by: Roudy1

I agree it is hard to digest vansh being this way, but what I feel is he has gratitude towards kabir. His moment in that warehouse was a very vulnerable moment for him and kabir was his savior from that tragic situation. I think that's normal, any person who appears as our savior during the most vulnerable moment of our lives we tend to have a soft spot and some gratitude. Yes he must've come with an agenda but at that moment he did a big deal for vansh. As far as this is a temporary feeling it is fine but if they continue vansh fully trusting kabir then there is a problem there.

I don't know why but they have tonned vansh character to a normal ITV hero level 😪 that is ruining majority of things. I hope we get back our mastermind soon

Ridhima or anyone from the house showing gratitude is different and a man like VR does is an entirely different thing.

This man knows there are no free lunches in the world and when his arch enemy saved his life and showing some utmost emotions towards his family, the question should come to the person like VR - why?

He is not even asked how Kabir is in the warehouse? Why he followed him in the first place? Does he know what going to happen? Like these are some basic question which a person like VR should ask himself?

Why those are being unanswered? What for?

Originally posted by: Nephy

I would not have problem actually if they were introduced him initially only as someone who forgives betrayal of his family but they didnot...they introduced him as he will not even leave his family members if they betrayed him...Oh God I have this habbit that my mind doesn't tend to forget things whenever we proceed in story it always tries to connect with initial incidents as well as dialogues of the characters and whole of dynamics and I just can't change and now the same thing is making me frustrated becoz now also regarding vansh's character for instance even Kabir's,ishani's everyone's actually I got confused and frustrated when found no connect.

Yes, like from that point to this point what has changed. The traits which they had shown earlier why is it missing? See all the interviews which happen with Rahul also they ask about Helly, his fans, and all but no one ever asked why such traits are being missed? I mean one should ask them?

Like in this case people having discussion over his siblings behaviour being such...like ishani to be a remorseless accidental murderer and Aryan being a molestor due to Vansh's twisted sense of responsibility as their guardian.

Yes, like why VR is not takin any action and what made him be subtle these days. Ask him about his character growth. I wish we see one interview where such questions can be asked.

Lekin mujhe us cheez koi problem hi nhi hai kyunki he is introduced like this that he will do anything for family"family se badh kar kuch nhi"is shown to be his viewpoint since first episode so him protecting everything taking Ishani's blame I could connect with meri problem to uske betrayal ko lekar instance hai despite considering family everything he never allowed them to step on him,or use his protection against him or betray him,he protected them with a price and that price was unconditional loyalty and never betraying him aur mein ab ys cheez se conmect nhi kar pa rhi hu...

Thats why I was screaming few days ago that pls let Aryan be in his team,it can actually clear a very big doubt of my mind but nhi makers ke plans to frustrate krne ke hai...🤦‍♀️

P.S.Regarding his instance of responsibility,his understanding true meaning will be a growth as story wise no doubt but yahan pehle jo doubt ho rhe hai vo to clear ho jaye...they seriously making it difficult to watch this serial....

I don't know what meaning he has in his head regarding the responsibility but in this process, he might lose his baby or Ridhima and don't know if makers are ready to show it also. I mean why not answering such important questions?

Originally posted by: Abhyudaya

I don't know what meaning he has in his head regarding the responsibility but in this process, he might lose his baby or Ridhima and don't know if makers are ready to show it also. I mean why not answering such important questions?

Don't know...subah subah fir shuru ho gyi mein...

Seriously feel bad, the serial and character even pair which could be once in a time thing for people,makers destroyed that actually...sometimes seriously feel that kash someone more matured,talented would have handled this genre as well as Vansh's character along with RiAnsh....

The serial which is providing content for memes could actually had the potential to outshine and change the definition of itv serials...never expected that such a big ph would be so irresponsible regarding its own product....very disappointed....180 episodes could make this serial a milestone already but here we are still waiting for something good....how big failure is on the part of creative team....such unprofessional people still surviving in this showbiz,I am shocked actually.

They only have Rrahel's natural organic chemistry which is working and if we leave it we will find zero work on the part of most of the other departments majority of which is story writing,editing....

Originally posted by: Nephy

Don't know...subah subah fir shuru ho gyi mein...

It's fine. We too also started early dear

Seriously feel bad, the serial and character even pair which could be once in a time thing for people,makers destroyed that actually...sometimes seriously feel that kash someone more matured,talented would have handled this genre as well as Vansh's character along with RiAnsh....

I don't know why it is not happening in the same way it should be. But let's give them one more chance and see how to what extent they can keep this steady. The problem is no channel does with the business if the show is losing no matter what the relationship you share with the producers and the actors.

The serial which is providing content for memes could actually had the potential to outshine and change the definition of itv serials...never expected that such a big ph would be so irresponsible regarding its own product....very disappointed....180 episodes could make this serial a milestone already but here we are still waiting for something good....how big failure is on the part of creative team....such unprofessional people still surviving in this showbiz,I am shocked actually.

Even after 186 episodes, these guys are unable to establish the perfect continuity and what they had until 110 episodes is simply lost somewhere. Many loopholes to be filled but then again we let it go and the new ones are coming and they are also being unfilled completely.

They only have Rrahel's natural organic chemistry which is working and if we leave it we will find zero work on the part of most of the other departments majority of which is story writing,editing....

Yes, Helly and Rahul are making it work and also KAVA confrontation but these days that is also - we are losing.

Originally posted by: Abhyudaya

Yes, Helly and Rahul are making it work and also KAVA confrontation but these days that is also - we are losing.

Hmm...I agree seriously I also now wishing that someone made that Mamta lady sit down and ask what is she thinking....?

We need some answers if not onscreen let it be offscreen...

Hmm yaar holding on thats why here but also frustrated😅

How much expectations we had from dimond deal and ironically they had even a necklace also which could be used to show it a Vansh plan but again we overestimated them than their capabilities🤣

Originally posted by: Abhyudaya

Ridhima or anyone from the house showing gratitude is different and a man like VR does is an entirely different thing.

This man knows there are no free lunches in the world and when his arch enemy saved his life and showing some utmost emotions towards his family, the question should come to the person like VR - why?

He is not even asked how Kabir is in the warehouse? Why he followed him in the first place? Does he know what going to happen? Like these are some basic question which a person like VR should ask himself?

Why those are being unanswered? What for?

I agree 💯

That's why I said temporarily it is fine because I feel that is humanly nature, considering the situation is linked with emotional attachment but I do agree ur point because keeping in mind who vansh is this is unacceptable.

Originally posted by: Abhyudaya

If the story is going to continue and then I feel certainly miscarriage will happen. And yes he needs to see it. He always got a free pass with her and this time he should earn it totally. Do you see his ignorance towards his sibling's mistakes is catching my wrong nerve? What kind of responsibility it is when he cannot correct their mistakes.

Considering 14th February and 200th episode is near, let's see what the makers have planned. All the tracks are good but they badly fail in the execution.

you can teach someone about right things only when you are scot free, when your hands are in dirty then you can't really give lecture of morals to your siblings as you only sound idiot to them. so vansh being able to teach them anything good is out of the question. the only thing he could do to them was punish them, but that toob when he could prove that their behaviour is unacceptable from his standard. the only standard he followed was family is everything and i can see that every sibling follow that rule. they don't hurt each other, ridhima is no family to them (except siya), she has been thrust to them not genuinely accepted by them.

Originally posted by: Nephy

Hmm...I agree seriously I also now wishing that someone made that Mamta lady sit down and ask what is she thinking....?

We need some answers if not onscreen let it be offscreen...

Hmm yaar holding on thats why here but also frustrated😅

How much expectations we had from dimond deal and ironically they had even a necklace also which could be used to show it a Vansh plan but again we overestimated them than their capabilities🤣

why will vansh destroy his name in market? if he wanted to do the deal he should have done that genuinely (this is his character) cheating in business is not his character

why are we so hell bent on the fact that vansh should know everything, he is not written as god as far as i know ? Why we can't we see kabir winning once and while ? till now i couldn't find even one goal which kabir has been able to achieve. still we keep saying kabir is always winning. where the hell kabir is winning

Originally posted by: phoenix27

why will vansh destroy his name in market? if he wanted to do the deal he should have done that genuinely (this is his character) cheating in business is not his character

Ok...I agree but someone changing diamonds from his room,him going without plan,and being on mercy on someone else even his enemy is also not his character for me...he can't be dumb also.

Secondly I was talking about something which we discussed previously and it was not giving intentionally someone fake diamonds and be tagged as betrayer....it was like being his plan all along regarding taking down chang as he came to know being chang betraying him in this deal or him being planned already with chang to trap kabir...which obviously not happened but I said in that context...we actually at that time had very discussions which Abby may still be aware so I just took cntext and mentioned to her.