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Originally posted by: Khyati8

I keep reading about grief how grief is what made things like this. Grief is a reason but is it really a justification? Say if devraj is by all means legally acquitted then is grief again going to be enough of a justification to drag an innocent man malign him and his family for so many years. Just because they are all alive it's all cool and okay?

But she didn't start the case against him. That was done by the police and media. So in real life this would not be about the family at all. This would be the state against the defendant for a crime. And unfortunately innocent people do go through it all the time. Families of the victims usually stand by and try to push for justice for their loved one. But they aren't held responsible if the verdict is an acquittal. It is the state's responsibility to ensure they had adequate evidence to pursue the case. I don't know what ITV land logic will be in this case. But it would not be a suman issue in real life.

Shravan's parents are alive so there is no way he is allowed to feel heartbreak betrayal? It's absolutely okay to tell him you'd ruin my life? They both fell in love shravan didn't force her to fall in love with him both were same age shravan had no upper hand or twisted situation to make sure she falls in love with him. And if people really do believe that then they should stop calling suman headstrong girl because these two things can't coexist.

He didn't force her. But this where my earlier feeling that he kind of did it manipulatively where he pretended to want friendship while secretly wanting something more. If Suman had known about his intentions from the outset she wouldn't have allowed him to get close enough for her to fall for him. Obviously she did reciprocate and that's on her. But this is why I had earlier mentioned the problems that come any obfuscation in a relationship. Because inevitably it comes with costs. This relationship unfortunately came with a cost for Suman that Shravan didn't have to pay. He didn't lose his parent's because of the relationship. Suman did. She lost her last moment with her dad because of it and has to live with lifelong guilt.

Originally posted by: malikakas

No.. not at all. I am fully okay with him supporting his dad. But I think now so many years later he can at least understand her perspective. He doesn't even have to want to get together again. But certainly he can understand the frame of mind she was in.. losing a parent and being told that your boyfriend's dad is responsible. If the case has been going on for 7 years then it is not a clear cut case. She has a right to her gut feeling. He has a right to his. But he is now in a position to understand that a loss of a parent in those circumstances would have clouded her judgement. So even if he thinks she was wrong, I don't understand the degree of anger. Certainly not to the point that he is calling all women dhokebaaz.

I don't think he's going to understand anything about her frame of mind because what happened was too brutal for him....he's still raw over it many years later precisely because she mattered that much. This has nothing to do with "maturity" but more to do with a love that was very deep and that was ripped apart very brutally. And since Suman was the one who tore them apart, I don't think he is in a frame of mind to analyze her motivations objectively.

Shravan can't be expected to objectively analyze a relationship that he was a part of, but wasn't given a voice in breaking up. Suman threw him out, refusing to listen to him. To him, it's a betrayal that she didn't give him that and many years later, because that betrayal is so deep and she kept the wound festering with the court case all these years, things could never calm down enough to focus on her grief.

Shravan understands the loss of a parent....what he doesn't understand is why their relationship had to be sacrificed at that altar....he wanted to be there for her when she lost a parent and she threw him out. He is never going to be able to reconcile to that until he gets some acknowledgement from Suman. And please let's not get into the semantics of what he said, didn't say. I don't think it's a lot to acknowledge that Shravan did want to be there for her.....if even that much is in doubt about Shravan now, I don't know what to say.

The degree of anger stems from the same place the degree of love stemmed from. Shravan has always been a passionate guy...so where there was immense love, now there is immense anger and hurt. The festering court case has helped keep the anger simmering for many years too.

Suman is just as angry in her own way....she just hides it behind gum chewing....while he displays his anger through bitter labels. He feels brutally betrayed by Suman so he is projecting that anger out into the world at all women in general. Do I like it? Obviously no....it's a cliche.....but I can understand why Shravan still feels betrayed and angry. This is not something to easily get over even after 7 years when there hasn't been any resolution of unanswered questions.

@Areyaar --- fully agree!

Shravan === brutally betrayed, angry and bitter

Suman == traumatized from her losses (incl. Shravan), but blames Shravan, and feels like she's fighting a daily battle even with her family (chacham, chachi)

So where do we go from here?

a) Now this Vikram dude could knock some sense into her perhaps?

b) All the PT and "doctor-patient" sessions move from venom spitting to at least some "fondness" for a shared past.

I feel the momentum has to pick up -- for me this was an another average episode -- only 2 things happened to move the story forward:

a) Doc-Nurse set up (2 minutes or less) and

b) Vikram-Shravan convo relayed to Sumo -- suggesting movement via Vikram as cupid/connector or whatever (30 seconds - 1 minute).

Hence --- VERY average. I hope we start getting some proper SUVAN scenes soon - and NOT just 30 seconds of nastiness to each other.

Originally posted by: Kaira4ever

@Areyaar --- fully agree!

Shravan === brutally betrayed, angry and bitter

Suman == traumatized from her losses (incl. Shravan), but blames Shravan, and feels like she's fighting a daily battle even with her family (chacham, chachi)

So where do we go from here?

a) Now this Vikram dude could knock some sense into her perhaps?

b) All the PT and "doctor-patient" sessions move from venom spitting to at least some "fondness" for a shared past.

I feel the momentum has to pick up -- for me this was an another average episode -- only 2 things happened to move the story forward:

a) Doc-Nurse set up (2 minutes or less) and

b) Vikram-Shravan convo relayed to Sumo -- suggesting movement via Vikram as cupid/connector or whatever (30 seconds - 1 minute).

Hence --- VERY average. I hope we start getting some proper SUVAN scenes soon - and NOT just 30 seconds of nastiness to each other.

Thank you for understanding my point😆.

I don't know where we go from here....the writers don't seem interested in bucking up anytime soon. Unless they pick up the pace, I'm going to continue to lose interest and connect. Vikram's character is too mehh, Suman's sudden interest in pursuing a relationship with him is beyond my understanding and yes, the daily repetitive doc-patient scenes arguing on the same topic are already boring. So right now there is nothing in the story to tune in for *shrugs*

I am still HOPEFUL --- usually the serials I have watched so far SINK beyond redemption at around 120ish odd episodes.... and one sighs and loses interest....

:) we have yet to hit the 100... so I have fingers crossed. But I agree -- Shrug worthy won't cut it for too long.

I now only watch for Mohit -- total hunk in uniform!

Im a little annoyed at this 3rd angle trope. Fiest vikram and now on tellychakkar they put up the story of a new female 3rd angke for shravan. Why ?! Why can they not see beyond the 3rd angle. If shravan is calling all women cheaters because of how sumo betrayed him, then theres no readon to have a 3rd angle. He hates women right! And if sumo is stuck in her past, why is she suddenly trying to give vikram a chance? Why do ITV always force a 3rd angle? :(

Originally posted by: neeraja91

Im a little annoyed at this 3rd angle trope. Fiest vikram and now on tellychakkar they put up the story of a new female 3rd angke for shravan. Why ?! Why can they not see beyond the 3rd angle. If shravan is calling all women cheaters because of how sumo betrayed him, then theres no readon to have a 3rd angle. He hates women right! And if sumo is stuck in her past, why is she suddenly trying to give vikram a chance? Why do ITV always force a 3rd angle? :(

AGREE --- :). I dont know much about ITV. I think this will all be hopefully false spoilers!

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I'm sorry, but what? SHRAVAN is now being BLAMED for feeling betrayed by Sumo? For REAL? 😆

Let's recap since I feel that the breakup scene seems to be fading from people's memories here:

1) Shravan came to Suman's house to console her - not choosing the "perfect" way to console her is NOT a betrayal.

2) He was in shock over his dad being accused and arrested and mentioned to her that he can't believe people think his father is a traitor.

3) Suman told him she doesn't want to talk right now....she already seemed detached from him since she was replaying in her head that her dad didn't want her to be with Shravan....so let's note WHO first started considering breaking off the relationship - btw breaking a relationship IS a betrayal

4) Shravan made the mistake - please note MISTAKE is not the same as BETRAYAL....Shravan made the mistake of continuing to talk to Suman after that....and all he said were a couple of lines about saying you know my dad could never do this, right? Simply pleading for his dad's innocence when he too is in shock is NOT a betrayal.

5) Suman in turn LASHED out at him - a) telling him she DOESN'T believe him, doesn't trust him (both fall under the umbrella of betraying his trust in HER) b) telling him HE was about to ruin her life by being in a relationship with her (again, a betrayal of his love and trust in her) and c) calling his dad a TRAITOR (again, making accusations without proof - so again, a betrayal of his trust)

6) Finally, and in the ultimate and most definitive act of betrayal, SUMAN broke off the relationship....please note that SUMAN broke off the relationship, NOT Shravan and threw him out.

I would love to find a person who would NOT feel betrayed after ALL this.....lol the relationship was broken off by Suman in such brutal terms and Shravan shouldn't even feel betrayed? WOW😆....instead HE'S expected to play nice after how SHE behaved with him? 😆....after going through all this, he isn't even allowed to be "stuck in this past"?

You have put it so well👏

@ AY & @ Malikakas

Hm So I get both the perspectives better now. Really nice points are made👍🏼

I relate to Suman a bit more but I understand Shravan's POV too.

And I've already said this, I don't expect either Shravan or Suman to reconsider their thoughts for each other in these 7 Yrs. or few months after their breakup.

For Suman, I feel she blames the relationship SHE shared WITH Shravan more than Shravan. She basically dislike it because it came up with an expense (as Malika said). Even in yesterday's episode, while writing in her diary she penned down how some realtions gives Sukoon like "Dad" But some give Takleef like "Shravan". Ofcourse it gave her pain. Not for that one day, but continue to give her all these seven years too. But at the same time, she kept that cannon which SHRAVAN gifted her. Her favourite spot is that same chai tapri which SHRAVAN introduced her. She wears face mask just like SHRAVAN used to do. So, it mainly conclude that Shravan is one of her fondest memories BUT sharing RELATIONSHIP with SHRAVAN isn't.

For Shravan, Ofcourse he will hold a grudge against the girl whom he fell deeply in love, in a relationship where they made promises to stand by each other no matter what, in a relationship where BOTH were equally invested but Suman's harsh words for the SAME relationship made him believe that maybe he was stupid to believe they are meant to be. Even his flashbacks of her starts with a smile on his face like a fond memory but ends up with anger whenever he remember her words.

To be honest, they can only understand each other's POV if only they talk or someone else put in their mind what the actual problem is. They are still the teen Shravan and Suman but in a uniform🥱

But a point comes where I feel Shravan needs to be empathetic or mature is when he brings up the topic Case vedict in front of her. The case will obviously be in the courtroom one day. There is no point of bringing up again and again because he himself shared a special bond with Vijay.

Originally posted by: Kaira4ever

I@malikakas understand what you are saying but after the initial pain is over —- you may also consider that

But this is the thing. Her intial pain never ended. She not only lost her biggest pillar but her mother too. I don't think a person would go back to her ex to reconsider after piling up a guilt of choosing him over her dad when she last saw him and ignored him. It will be again like not respecting the dead.

a) Shravan is not his dad If his dad was responsible

B) She and Shravan decided to rebel and leave home so yes she feels guilty but that is not Shravan’s fault either

so it did seem to him as a betrayal of trust in him —

Especially as she simply BROKE up rudely with no explanation - no conversation — nothing !!

notwithstanding —- the point remains that the path back to love isn’t clear now ....

Trusting Suman is next to impossible for Shravan - she’s going to have to earn it and theNsome !!

And if Shravan is going to have to see the court rule in his dad’s favor, he is still going to resent having gone through this

from Suman’s point of view —— she’s going to have to realize she punished Shravan — even if his dad made a mistake/ or committed a crime — or whatever!

A lot can change after the verdict. Either to make the characters think in wider perceptive or it can make the situation even more worse.

That’s why I feel this is not a typical serial situation where a 3rd wheel jealousy track will change anything reasonably for the positive .... but hey, maybe ones expecting too much!

More than this unnecessary 3rd angle, I want to see what's in Devraj's head because he has lost his friend at that point of time where they both had a tiff. There is a lot more scope than 3rd , 4th wheels 🥱