#ManipulativeWriting Ki Jai Ho! DTNT Pg 8 - Page 4

Originally posted by: aquaHP

The difference here is that you don't need that here. The plot and the characterisation was strong enough to not butcher characters, atleast as of now. 3 years down the line? Sure! But in the first year?

Yrkkh has exhausted all possible storylines and character conflicts so I get that they butcher characters to keep the show running but yahaan zaroorat nahi thi but they still did it. That is the problem.

Exactly that is what pissing me.. If they want they can show so much, they have two couples n they can show how they settle in respective lives. But now they r bringing up a surrogacy track out of nowhere.. Mishbir n kuku haven't even properly started their life after marriage n these ppl r coming up with this pathetic track. Did not expect this from RS Yeh rishta series is known for showing the dynamics of the couple with their families but these ppl r going in some other direction only 🤔

Originally posted by: NoraSM

How is this manipulative writing, when they have reasons to show what they are showing? If they didn't want people to sympathize with Kuhu, they won't focus on her, the fact that there are KuKu fans is because of importance they get from writer in the show. 2 separate fandoms generated because they gave good writing for both fandoms, yes?

There isn't a Ketu fanbase, why? Because writer doesn't put her in the center of the story

What Kuhu did is defended by people because writer is giving reasons for Kuhu to do this, it's just that people expect goodness from Kuhu forgetting that Kuhu is not a white character, she is grey and ruled by her hatred for Mishti, she can attempt something like she did in last Janmashtami, is evidence of how black side of her overpowers her good nature.

Writers don't have to manipulate anyone, they are writing everything from the good portion of Kuhu to bad, one can't say good portion is the original Kuhu and bad one is manipulation. If they are giving Kuhu fans reason to support her, even in extremity then the writing is not bad

I never said that the writing was bad. By manipulative writing, we do not mean that "good portion is the original Kuhu and bad one is manipulation". We are saying that they make Kuhu do or say things to Mishti so that the credibility of her sadness and anger is taken away. For example, she has full right to be angry that the cover picture posted on the magazine is not hers and Kunal's, but by making her anger only and only about Mishti takes away that credibility. Yes, Mishti is a major reason for the thing to have blown up because if it was someone else, Kuhu would still be angry but not as much. She would be blaming the publishing house instead. Here, based on her character, she should have blamed both (imo), because this happens to almost every time that Mishti gets her spotlight, so the anger has been building up there. The only difference now is that she couldn't say anything before because their dislike was a secret and it isn't now.

Back to the topic, by manipulative writing, we only mean that the credibility of her anger gets taken away because the OTT things that they make her do and say. And whenever they do something like this, they try to pull it back by either showing her guilty or being supportive of Mishti to maintain that she is still a nice person. The problem is that they can still show that she is a grey character who says stuff in her correctly placed anger and it does not result in Mishti coming out on top because she did not react or she still feels grateful.

The photograph moments and during MA haldi was such a clear comparison. That is probably the most easily decipherable example of manipulative writing I can give which drove home the idea that Mishti is so grateful for a nice family and Kuhu isn't, when there was so much background to Kuhu's anger and ungratefulness but the way they portrayed that, the prevailing popular opinion was that Kuhu was petty when that wasn't the case at all.

Bad writing - Make Kuhu happy like Kunal about the fact that MA's pic is on the cover

Manipulative writing - Negate Kuhu's actual emotions and focus only on dialogues that say M ke wajah se..

Hope people get the difference.

Originally posted by: aquaHP

I never said that the writing was bad. By manipulative writing, we do not mean that "good portion is the original Kuhu and bad one is manipulation". We are saying that they make Kuhu do or say things to Mishti so that the credibility of her sadness and anger is taken away. For example, she has full right to be angry that the cover picture posted on the magazine is not hers and Kunal's, but by making her anger only and only about Mishti takes away that credibility. Yes, Mishti is a major reason for the thing to have blown up because if it was someone else, Kuhu would still be angry but not as much. She would be blaming the publishing house instead. Here, based on her character, she should have blamed both (imo), because this happens to almost every time that Mishti gets her spotlight, so the anger has been building up there. The only difference now is that she couldn't say anything before because their dislike was a secret and it isn't now.

Back to the topic, by manipulative writing, we only mean that the credibility of her anger gets taken away because the OTT things that they make her do and say. And whenever they do something like this, they try to pull it back by either showing her guilty or being supportive of Mishti to maintain that she is still a nice person. The problem is that they can still show that she is a grey character who says stuff in her correctly placed anger and it does not result in Mishti coming out on top because she did not react or she still feels grateful.

The photograph moments and during MA haldi was such a clear comparison. That is probably the most easily decipherable example of manipulative writing I can give which drove home the idea that Mishti is so grateful for a nice family and Kuhu isn't, when there was so much background to Kuhu's anger and ungratefulness but the way they portrayed that, the prevailing popular opinion was that Kuhu was petty when that wasn't the case at all.

When has Kuhu been nice to Mishti? Wasn't the first ever sequence between Mishti and Kuhu where Kuhu revealed she saw Mishti's father and asked her to leave the house? What has changed?

Kuhu has always been like this, She is nice to Mishti in extreme situations

Manipulative - Skilful at influencing somebody or forcing somebody to do what you want, often in an unfair way

If they didn't want support for Kuhu, they would have written her like Ketu. If they wanted Kuhu to get more support than Mishti, they would have done it, they don't have to manipulate anyone since it is their creation. Its just that people are seeing good things Kuhu does as something Kuhu is and bad things she does as something writer is writing on surface of real Kuhu when both Kuhus are written by same writer.

@bold - This is an example of what I am saying the credibility of her anger is written by writer Only, if you can feel it then how are they manipulating anyone? If they wanted people not to feel bad for Kuhu, they won't show her "Real feelings"

Kuhu is more important than Ketu and less important than Mishti because Mishti is the protagonist, supporting characters can help steering the story in a certain direction but central characters will always be more important

Originally posted by: NoraSM

When has Kuhu been nice to Mishti? Wasn't the first ever sequence between Mishti and Kuhu where Kuhu revealed she saw Mishti's father and asked her to leave the house? What has changed?

Kuhu has always been like this, She is nice to Mishti in extreme situations

Manipulative - Skilful at influencing somebody or forcing somebody to do what you want, often in an unfair way

If they didn't want support for Kuhu, they would have written her like Ketu. If they wanted Kuhu to get more support than Mishti, they would have done it, they don't have to manipulate anyone since it is their creation. Its just that people are seeing good things Kuhu does as something Kuhu is and bad things she does as something writer is writing on surface of real Kuhu when both Kuhus are written by same writer.

@bold - This is an example of what I am saying the credibility of her anger is written by writer Only, if you can feel it then how are they manipulating anyone? If they wanted people not to feel bad for Kuhu, they won't show her "Real feelings"

Kuhu is more important than Ketu and less important than Mishti because Mishti is the protagonist, supporting characters can help steering the story in a certain direction but central characters will always be more important

It seems like you're looking to answer a different point. Nobody ever said that Kuhu is as important as Mishti and that is one point you keep bringing up. We all know she is the protagonist but that is not the point here.

The point is that they use Kuhu's character for making Mishti look better and mature in the situation when there is absolutely no need for it. I (or anyone for that matter) wouldn't really have an issue with that if it was done subtly and in context of the show but they make it blatantly obvious that it is being done.

@bold: After first holi, when Mishti is worried about her father, Kuhu comes and distracts her by eating Mishti's favourite ice cream. That was not an extreme situation at all.

Hi ,

I do agree with many here when they say it seems ri be a strong case of manipulative writing , this is something I also felt off lately but never bothered to write on it before. However now that we have a topic on this , let me pour out my thoughts

I agree with @peacenfun , that there are instances where kuhu's struggles could have been highlighted in the story, but the situation makes her do things against mishti in such a vile and nasty manner that the whole focus shifts on kuhu pushed mishti , if we didn't have this incident , surely I would have felt kuhu and her struggles but every time I think of janamashtami the only thing I remember is kuhu pushing mishti and not apologising for it even after realising her mistake!

Another incident was the divorce thing coming up, I can understand why kuhu wanted to keep it a secret and was deeply hurt with the way mishti tried to sneak in her cupboard and breaching her privacy, that was wrong on mishti's part , that's her flaw that she wishes to over help people beyond their wishes , but when she gets slapped , name called , bullied and had to sacrifice her mandap , it becomes hard to connect with kuhu again and then focus again shifts on how vile and nasty kuhu is !

Come to think of it, is it a case of manipulative writing or the writers want to portray kuhu as it is , i mean a kind of a girl who is genuinely good to others but when it comes to mishti, she shuts her doors of logic and brings out her worst side to express her hatred, even at times when it's clearly visible that mishti wasn't at fault ...why she never calls out BM BP directly for the partiality? Why she never calls out kunal publicly for demeaning and using her ? Why all the hatred is just reserved for mishti when there are others who have done wrong with her? Is it manipulative writing or a case of lazy convenient writing cuz kuch nahi milta toh kuhu ko negative bana do , story runs ache se ! Either bring new characters and turn them into negative or use the existing ones , who better than kuhu ,it seems meenu is on rest these days 😆

Its not that the other characters aren't flawed or they get away with everything, mishbir's flaws and mistakes are highlighted too

Abir's character is used to call out meenu and kunal

Meenu calls out everyone's hypocrisy

Kunal is out spoken and he calls out people as well

Abir gets called out by mishti and meenu

But the difference here lies in the way mishti gets called out

I remember during the first 100 episodes, she was also subtly called out for her mistakes and that was sometimes done by abir

I remember one such incident , during sapan track ,abir had asked mishti not to enter the site and sit back, she still ventures out to find him , in the end they all get saved but abir is shown to be mad at mishti than appreciating her ( contrary to what BP did when she told him that she fought with goons and baba all alone in the jungle ) , abir didn't praise her but realistically expressed his concerns ...their conflict was also clearly visible and I remember mishti also realising that mishti went over board which she shouldn't have.

Another incident was when mishti calls out abir for lying to her about IT raid , hiding for good is definitely a flaw in abir's character which he has got from his mom 😆 But mishti highlighted it , abir didn't deny that, he accepted it but also said it's my flaw , main aisa hi hun ... he did not lap it up by giving unnecessary excuses or being too preachy about it

Such kind of scenes make me feel more connected and associated with the characters when they subtly highlight their flaws and give chance to the characters to think over it too.

Off lately this essence is missing in the show

Mishti is wrong in teaming up with nannu and plan jealousy attacks an abir which for sure complicated the situation then what it was already but she never got called out , forget calling out 😆 this truth never came up in front of everyone at first place, off lately only kuhu is used to call out mishti and when she does that she becomes so vile and nasty that the focus shifts on how bad as a character kuhu is , as a viewer I feel connected to mishti more then cuz I feel she is already suffering and why do you to throw words on mishti in this draining situation and make it more difficult for her ...most of the people get upset or mad at kuhu because of the way she approaches mishti , with all the name calling , bullying , blaming her without logic, slapping, not owning up to her mistakes, these things fade away the good things that kuhu has in her , so instead of sympathy, the emotion towards kuhu is a strong sense of dislike by the audience

Having said that , I don't blame the majority audience for not understanding kuhu and having strong feelings for other characters , because that's how the writing clearly was, its inconsistent when it comes to kuhu and she is a card which is used to create drama and punch in the story.

Do I really love this kind of dynamics ? Not really , not anymore !

I don't mind characters being grey , even the leads being flawed and making mistakes, i would love to see a deeper layer of realism in the characters rather them being portrayed as too white or too black , too vile too empathetic, too manipulative or too dumb

But I guess that to happen, the feeling should be the same amongst the audience first , if we as viewers won't voice out our concerns but happily enjoy what's being dished out , then writers and makers ka kya hai , they will also keep giving us what we are habitual to eat !! Audience bhi khush , makers bhi khush , takleef unko hi hoti hai who expect some sense of balance and realism in the story...this goes not only for our show but most of the shows of ITV .

They are very few shows that have highlighted flaws in all the characters including the leads and still made us relate to them and love them !

I wish they they showed two girls who are opposite in nature , thought process, approach in their lives, who are not lovey dovey , who don't get along with each other but maintain a cordial relationship...wish they had shown two contrasting couples dealing with different situations in their love story with a more matured and realistic touch ...where you can't compare both the couples but appreciate them in their own ways

But I guess this was essentially mishti's story and hence it is written in this way

Originally posted by: aquaHP

It seems like you're looking to answer a different point. Nobody ever said that Kuhu is as important as Mishti and that is one point you keep bringing up. We all know she is the protagonist but that is not the point here.

The point is that they use Kuhu's character for making Mishti look better and mature in the situation when there is absolutely no need for it. I (or anyone for that matter) wouldn't really have an issue with that if it was done subtly and in context of the show but they make it blatantly obvious that it is being done.

@bold: After first holi, when Mishti is worried about her father, Kuhu comes and distracts her by eating Mishti's favourite ice cream. That was not an extreme situation at all.

They use every character, If they stop using Kuhu, What will they show about her? They made Mishbir forgive Kuhu instantly to keep Kuhu in the story, they made Abir forgive Meenu to keep her in the story otherwise who in her right mind would live with someone who tried to hurt her physically (The act had potential to kill Mishti)?

They keep everyone together for the drama only, I won't mind the truth coming out in front of everyone ending this Janmashtami chapter once and for all but where will that leave Kuhu's character? What excuse will they have to keep her in family after this?

@Bold - Where was manipulation when they wrote this? Same writer

Its just that people think good things done by Kuhu are real Kuhu but when she does something bad, it is manipulation

My point is that it is their creation, they don't have to manipulate anyone, They can show Mishti is better than Kuhu without showing Kuhu's feelings like they don't bother with Jasmeet or Ketu but they do give Kuhu importance in the story. They are not manipulating anyone, Kuhu is their creation so is Mishti, for them Mishti is better than Kuhu that's what they are presenting on screen

I guess we have done many rounds, have a good day 🤗

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Hi ,

I do agree with many here when they say it seems ri be a strong case of manipulative writing , this is something I also felt off lately but never bothered to write on it before. However now that we have a topic on this , let me pour out my thoughts

I agree with @peacenfun , that there are instances where kuhu's struggles could have been highlighted in the story, but the situation makes her do things against mishti in such a vile and nasty manner that the whole focus shifts on kuhu pushed mishti and tried to murder her , if we didn't have this incident , surely I would have felt kuhu and her struggles but every time I think of janamashtami the only thing I remember is kuhu pushing mishti and not apologising for it even after realising her mistake!

Another incident was the divorce thing coming up, I can understand why kuhu wanted to keep it a secret and was deeply hurt with the way mishti tried to sneak in her cupboard and breaching her privacy, that was wrong on mishti's part , that's her flaw that she wishes to over help people beyond their wishes , but when she gets slapped , name called , bullied and had to sacrifice her mandap , it becomes hard to connect with kuhu again and then focus again shifts on how vile and nasty kuhu is !

Come to think of it, is it a case of manipulative writing or the writers want to portray kuhu as it is , i mean a kind of a girl who is genuinely good to others but when it comes to mishti, she shuts her doors of logic and brings out her worst side to express her hatred, even at times when it's clearly visible that mishti wasn't at fault ...why she never calls out BM BP directly for the partiality? Why she never calls out kunal publicly for demeaning and using her ? Why all the hatred is just reserved for mishti when there are others who have done wrong with her? Is it manipulative writing or a case of lazy convenient writing cuz kuch nahi milta toh kuhu ko negative bana do , story runs ache se ! Either bring new characters and turn them into negative or use the existing ones , who better than kuhu ,it seems meenu is on rest these days 😆

Its not that the other characters aren't flawed or they get away with everything, no mishbir's flaws and mistakes are highlighted too

Abir's character is used to call out meenu and kunal

Meenu calls out everyone's hypocrisy

Kunal is out spoken and he calls out people as well

Abir gets called out by mishti and meenu

But the difference here lies in the way mishti gets called out

I remember during the first 100 episodes, she was also subtly called out for her mistakes and that was sometimes done by abir

I remember one such incident , during sapan track ,abir had asked mishti not to enter the site and sit back, she still ventures out to find him , in the end they all get saved but abir is shown to be mad at mishti than appreciating her ( contrary to what BP did when she told him that she fought with goons and baba all alone in the jungle ) , abir didn't praise her but realistically expressed his concerns ...their conflict was also clearly visible and I remember mishti also realising that mishti went over board which she shouldn't have.

Another incident was when mishti calls out abir for lying to her about IT raid , hiding for good is definitely a flaw in abir's character which he has got from his mom 😆 But mishti highlighted it , abir didn't deny that, he accepted it but also said it's my flaw , main aisa hi hun ... he did not lap it up by giving unnecessary excuses or being too preachy about it

Such kind of scenes make me feel more connected and associated with the characters when they subtly highlight their flaws and give chance to the characters to think over it too.

Off lately this essence is missing in the show

Mishti is wrong in teaming up with nannu and plan jealousy attacks an abir which for sure complicated the situation then what it was already but she never got called out , forget calling out 😆 this truth never came up in front of everyone at first place, off lately only kuhu is used to call out mishti and when she does that she becomes so vile and nasty that the focus shifts on how bad as a character kuhu is , as a viewer I feel connected to mishti more then cuz I feel she is already suffering and why do you to throw words on mishti in this draining situation and make it more difficult for her ...most of the people get upset or mad at kuhu because of the way she approaches mishti , with all the name calling , bullying , blaming her without logic, slapping, not owning up to her mistakes, these things fade away the good things that kuhu has in her , so instead of sympathy, the emotion towards kuhu is a strong sense of dislike by the audience

Having said that , I don't blame the majority audience for not understanding kuhu and having strong feelings for other characters , because that's how the writing clearly was, its inconsistent when it comes to kuhu and she is a card which is used to create drama and punch in the story.

Do I really love this kind of dynamics ? Not really , not anymore !

I don't mind characters being grey , even the leads being flawed and making mistakes, i would love to see a deeper layer of realism in the characters rather them being portrayed as too white or too black , too vile too empathetic, too manipulative or too dumb

But I guess that to happen, the feeling should be the same amongst the audience first , if we as viewers won't voice out our concerns but happily enjoy what's being dished out , then writers and makers ka kya hai , they will also keep giving us what we are habitual to eat !! Audience bhi khush , makers bhi khush , takleef unko hi hoti hai who expect some sense of balance and realism in the story...this goes not only for our show but most of the shows of ITV .

They are very few shows that have highlighted flaws in all the characters including the leads and still made us relate to them and love them !

I wish they they showed two girls who are opposite in nature , thought process, approach in their lives, who are not lovey dovey , who don't get along with each other but maintain a cordial relationship...wish they had shown two contrasting couples dealing with different situations in their love story with a more matured and realistic touch ...where you can't compare both the couples but appreciate them in their own ways

But I guess this was essentially mishti's story and hence it is written in this way

Well it didn't come out or called out but she had d guts to accept it was wrong. She stopped it der nly n said nannu to not continue further when she realized abir is getting effected because of it.

Mishti when ever she has done anything wrong she suffered d consequences n she accept it without going on blaming other

B - BP doesn't know about d kidnapping one. He just know she went n collected info abt mehul.No one knows abt dat except meenu.

Originally posted by: Sarcastic_me

Well it didn't come out or called out but she had d guts to accept it was wrong. She stopped it der nly n said nannu to not continue further when she realized abir is getting effected because of it.

Mishti when ever she has done anything wrong she suffered d consequences n she accept it without going on blaming other

That's what I am saying that the way mishti gets called out is different, either she gets called out by kuhu or she realises it on her own and matter ends it there without anyone knowing about it

she did realise it on her own but did she tell abir about it ?

Abir did tell her the real reason for break up was meenu's manipulation and he always loved her but did mishti tell that she played along with his emotions to get a reaction from him ...abir figured out on his own that mishti loves him only obviously, but I wanted mishti to say what she had done ..

Anyways , this topic is about kuhu and related manipulated writing , this point was made just to show contrast in writing ...so let's not stretch it ...mishti's character is far better than kuhu we all know

Originally posted by: Onyourface

That's what I am saying that the way mishti gets called out is different, either she gets called out by kuhu or she realises it on her own and matter ends it there without anyone knowing about it

she did realise it on her own but did she tell abir about it ?

Abir did tell her the real reason for break up was meenu's manipulation and he always loved her but did mishti tell that she played along with his emotions to get a reaction from him ...abir figured out on his own that mishti loves him only obviously, but I wanted mishti to say what she had done ..

Anyways , this topic is about kuhu and related manipulated writing , this point was made just to show contrast in writing ...so let's not stretch it ...mishti's character is far better than kuhu we all know

Abt playing with his feelings she did it twice but afterwards she was going to meet abir on her birthday to tell him every thing but dan kunal kand happened dan abir misunderstanding. Afterwards she gave him d letter but dat also didn't reach him.