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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: WaqtZaya

I just saw the guy who plays Mahesh put up a status in his IG saying that producers are asking the actors sign a liability waiver for covid-19

For others who might not be familiar with the term :- A liability waiver is a legal document that a person who participates in an activity may sign to acknowledge the risks involved in their participation.


Check dasmridul for the thingy.


Interesting it is getting showing how much channel & ph only is caring for profits. No wonder KSG didn't want to resume shoots.

Wouldn't a waiver be something obvious in this situation? Why will they take up such risk and liability on themselves.. These are companies they won't 😂.. Therefore only the person can take a call if they are willing to take that risk and shoot. These production houses can always say they will provide this and that. Don't think the virus cares😷

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: CaptainV

Wouldn't a waiver be something obvious in this situation? Why will they take up such risk and liability on themselves.. These are companies they won't 😂.. Therefore only the person can take a call if they are willing to take that risk and shoot. These production houses can always say they will provide this and that. Don't think the virus cares😷


True. This situation seems chaotic and dodgy.

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Posted: 5 years ago
FWICE President's demands are reasonable. 16 hours long work shifts are insane even under normal circumstances. Here we are amid a pandemic. Threatening to oust workers after making them work for 16 hours is cruel. Both health and financial security is missing. 🤢
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Posted: 5 years ago

Karan ka buzz inse chuttha nahi


Even though they have iconic charector name


What an irony 😆


Samajh nahi aata royu ya hasun I lost Bajaj also with this 😒

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: WaqtZaya




EXCLUSIVE: Shooting stalled; FWICE President on demands of 8 hours shift, no pay cuts, 50 lakh insurance coverWe spoke to BN Tiwari, president, FWICE, about the demands they have put forward in front of the Producers' body. He asserted that they want to put a system in place so everyone gets proper rest. "Working for 16-17 hours with the insecurity of being replaced is something that needs to be addressed," he reiterated.

Written By Bhavna Agawal 19838 reads Mumbai Updated: June 23, 2020 08:01 pm


EXCLUSIVE: Shooting stalled; FWICE President on demands of 8 hours shift, no pay cuts, 50 lakh insurance cover

After the permissions were granted by the managing director of Maharashtra Film, Theatre and Cultural Development Corporation (Film City) last week, the shoot of several daily soaps including Kumkum Bhagya, Kundali Bhagya, Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai, Yeh Rishtey Hain Pyaar Ke was to begin today. However, a day before the sets were to witness the action and cut again after three months hiatus, the Federation of Western India Cine Employees (FWICE) and Cine And TV Artistes' Association (CINTAA) called off the shoots. They alleged that the Indian Film & TV Producers' Council (IFTPC) had not met certain demands laid down by them. Some of their demands include workers to work in an 8-hour shift only, insurance cover of Rs 50 lakh for workers, daily wagers to be paid the same day instead of the credit system the industry usually follows.


This has certainly left the producers a little in dilemma, who are trying their best to get the ship sailing somehow. We spoke to BN Tiwari, president, FWICE, about the same who asserted that they want to put a system in place so everyone gets proper rest. Working for 16-17 hours with the insecurity of being replaced is something that needs to be addressed. "The producers decided on the date to shoot but the SoPs which were to be discussed were not discussed. They made a set of their own SoPs speaking with the broadcasters and sent it which we do not agree with," he reiterated.

He added, "We asked for 50 lakh life coverage, they made it to 10 lakh which we can’t accept." When told that we hear the life coverage they are offering is of 25 lakh and not 10, he rephrased, "Yesterday, they told us that they have made amends and have increased it to 25 lakh. Even the Bengali industry is getting 25 lakh coverage where the budget of their shows is hardly 2 lakh, so why can’t we do it? The production body needs to speak to us and discuss it with us. They haven’t gotten back at us about the 8-hour shift thing, nor about the payments. Nothing is being confirmed about that."



Payments for daily wagers and technicians

Daily wage workers including junior artists, dancers, fighters, character artists need to be paid at the end of the day. Usually, if they shoot for a pilot a year back, they get paid after 120 days of the show going air, how is this fair to them? Daily worker ka matlab unko daily payment milein, how will they run their house otherwise? Or keep a 7 days window to pay them but not beyond that. And the crew on a monthly payment basis should also receive payments within next month.

Producers say ‘humko milega toh hum denge na’ but a worker is not a partner of the producer body or channel, a worker is a worker. They do a job for their living.



Why 8-hour shift?

Workers usually stay in Virar, Vasai, and have to reach set (mostly in Film City) on time. Traveling time is usually an hour or two, one side. Apart from the hours they work on sets. Now, most crew work for 15-16 hours and then go home and have to report early next day or they get replaced. This is not done and won’t be accepted. People work 16-20 hours also depending on a given situation, but that is strictly one-off, it can’t be made a routine. Working for 15-16 hours can’t become a routine. The immunity of people has taken a toll due to the COVID pandemic. With such a work culture, how is it possible? Everyone gets a week off, what have these workers done to not deserve an off? From the time these daily soaps have come, logon ka chain gaya hai. Of course, it has brought in money too but it has also affected one’s life.

We want to bring in a system wherein on paper a worker has to work for 8 hours, after that, it depends on them if they want to work. But on paper, it will be 8 hours of work only. We won’t meddle if the workers willingly want to work overtime. Federation and Association won’t meddle in that. We will only interfere when we feel it is going overboard because we care for them.



Settlement of dues

We only have basic four points. We just want the shifts to be in place, daily payments to be adhered to, dues to be paid. It was already told that the producers need to pay their over dues but that is still not done. We have sent around 1000 letters of different artists to producers' bodies to get this thing sorted. We are getting videos from technicians, there is this one video fo a makeup man from Humari Bahu Silk cast who has threatened to commit suicide because of nonpayment of dues. Zee TV is not responding. Producer Joythi Gupta is saying they haven’t received the money. People usually don’t say anything because of the insecurity of work.



Pay Cuts

Producers called artists to tell them pay cuts of 20-30% and told them that they will be replaced if they don’t agree to it. What is more blackmailing than this? So we have told them no pay cuts. This is the exploitation of manpower.



What if the demands aren't followed once the shoot resumes?

Then we will withdraw our people from that set and stop working with them. Working with someone is not a compulsion, we can choose whom we want to work for.



What if actors and producers draw a consensus?

If they don’t stand with us, then we will also not bother about them. We will then not support them and viva versa. The system we intend to make is to benefit everyone. Sabko fikar nahi hai toh woh jaane.

When can we expect shoots to resume?

Whenever the producers' body speak to us, and we reach a consensus, we can begin the shoot.




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.I read the article yest...can everyone please stop counting their problems and think about the solutions instead? The producers are also human beings and their companies have also been through the lockdown with zero income. Cant the artists (not the bts team ) take the pay cut and continue to work and keep the wheel moving? As we all know this is temporary and things might get normal soon . It's with all the businesses. And its inhuman to not adjust and not think for everyone in these times. Again its their choice to work in coronavirus times or not. They should be replaced and audience plz dont start with the stupid trends .kuch understanding sabko honig chahiye.m ok with the actor who doesnt want to work and the producer too who wants to replace them.



Two, keeping in mind the working hours etc , they can either shoot for a bank of epis before the show going bk on air , or they can convert their shows to bi or tri weekly and in the same time slot , air any other show. What's the dire need for trps and dailies.if it's not feasible right now ? The serial will get high trps that way also if its loved by the audience. The no. Of hours of shoot can be reduced and the risk too. Everyone happy.



Wont comment much on daily wages. Yes thy can also take some cut and producers can give them as much money as its needed to fend themselves and their families. This way all will.be happy .at least they will be earning something than nothing . With This something they can earn their bread butter and health expenses ?

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: _charu_

Well

.I read the article yest...can everyone please stop counting their problems and think about the solutions instead? The producers are also human beings and their companies have also been through the lockdown with zero income. Cant the artists (not the bts team ) take the pay cut and continue to work and keep the wheel moving? As we all know this is temporary and things might get normal soon . It's with all the businesses. And its inhuman to not adjust and not think for everyone in these times. Again its their choice to work in coronavirus times or not. They should be replaced and audience plz dont start with the stupid trends .kuch understanding sabko honig chahiye.m ok with the actor who doesnt want to work and the producer too who wants to replace them.


Begging to differ here, none of the production team especially of ITV is as as poor as you are trying to imply. And why will artists not protest or ask not for a pay cut? Heck no one should be working with a pay cut especially when the production team is making them sign a waiver where they are not going to be responsible if anything happens to them? Having said that, FWICE itself has stated the issues they are facing, the internal politics really is concerning rather than "people please adjust"

We asked for 50 lakh life coverage, they made it to 10 lakh which we can’t accept." When told that we hear the life coverage they are offering is of 25 lakh and not 10, he rephrased, "Yesterday, they told us that they have made amends and have increased it to 25 lakh. Even the Bengali industry is getting 25 lakh coverage where the budget of their shows is hardly 2 lakh, so why can’t we do it? The production body needs to speak to us and discuss it with us.


Mumbai has the highest contamination rate at the end of the day and no one but if the artists and workers are contaminated, but they themselves only will have to pay for their medical expenses. The exposure of certain private hospitals are out in twitter. 🤷‍♀️



Coming to artists not wanting to work and artists being replaced even when they want to work because of their salary is something concerning.


Two, keeping in mind the working hours etc , they can either shoot for a bank of epis before the show going bk on air , or they can convert their shows to bi or tri weekly and in the same time slot , air any other show. What's the dire need for trps and dailies.if it's not feasible right now ? The serial will get high trps that way also if its loved by the audience. The no. Of hours of shoot can be reduced and the risk too. Everyone happy.


This is something I agree with you but unfortunately the producers of the shows won't bor will the channels because they make profit by airing daily shows not bi weekly which is the first place why ITV didn't shift to limited episode dramas


Wont comment much on daily wages. Yes thy can also take some cut and producers can give them as much money as its needed to fend themselves and their families. This way all will.be happy .at least they will be earning something than nothing . With This something they can earn their bread butter and health expenses ?


Do you even think the daily wagers will even be in included in the 35 member team at the first place?

It's easier to say than to imply. Fwice is being concerned with the health care of the artists and workers because the production team doesn't want to take care or be responsible of any damage that occurs and that also exposes the dirty internal politics of the ITV industry 🤷‍♀️

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: WaqtZaya

It's easier to say than to imply. Fwice is being concerned with the health care of the artists and workers because the production team doesn't want to take care or be responsible of any damage that occurs and that also exposes the dirty internal politics of the ITV industry 🤷‍♀️

The biggest problem in India is that anything and everything is a ‘political mudda’ jaan ki toh kisi ko padi hi nahi hai.

Na production ko na channel ko, unko bas show aur isse aane wale profits ki padi hai. FWICE is not wrong, it’s highly insensitive of the channel and producers to try and negotiate with these terms despite knowing that the points are valid.

Already those members who are resuming work are going to be signing a document that says ‘jo hoga tumhari zimmedari’ and on top of that they will work undress stress. Even if they say that we will do a 16hrs shift vo extend hoga hi, television mein rarely ko shift timing hote hain usse pehle ya uss time pe shoot wrap up hoti hai. And after such a long gap no shows have a bank of episodes, until and unless they do two-three week preshoot before the telecasts go on air koi bhi show vo continuity nahi manage kar payega. Aur isske liye sirf 16hrs shift bhi kafi nahi honge, so if they are ready to risk the lives of 35 people the production should agree with FIWCE ka terms for the sake of those people only!

At least unko itna toh tasalli rahe ki jaan ki parvah na sahi but kuch toh socha hai PH and channel ne unke liye!

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: WaqtZaya

It's easier to say than to imply. Fwice is being concerned with the health care of the artists and workers because the production team doesn't want to take care or be responsible of any damage that occurs and that also exposes the dirty internal politics of the ITV industry 🤷‍♀️

Only big production house like balaji n dkp will able to continue other small production house won't be able to do dat dat's y many shows of small production house off aired already . Even gul also scrapped nazar 2 because she couldn't won't be able to invest money, which dey used to get from revenue of different advertisement.

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