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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: alina.b


Oh right...free speech and freedom of rights overrides everything 🤔 people refused to wear masks here because their "freedom" was being violated...like seriously???

i agree..its just pathetic that such ppl have mentality like they should be given special treatment...if he wanted, he could've ordered from his house w/o wearing a mask...such shitty ppl
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: alina.b


I think if you are a minority in America, we all face racism. So many Chinese-Americans were attacked during the pandemic. Latinos are facing racism over deportation and the whole detention center thing that happened with the kids. After, 9/11 so many South Asians were attacked. A lot of people think racism is just black/white but it goes beyond that and all races are affected. One time, this kid in high school made a racist comment at me and when I called him out he literally said, "But I have black friends"....then I proceeded to explain him that other races also exist and that if you say something offensive about them, it's still racist. But, unfortunately I've even seen minorities being racist to each other also....that needs to stop too

yup, racism is everywhere... I've seen it within the localities of India too...there might be some courteous ppl but sometimes inequality comes thru (even subconsciously)...


the congress is now planning to introduce a bill to ban Chinese students for grad schools rn...

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Meena_J

yup, racism is everywhere... I've seen it within the localities of India too...there might be some courteous ppl but sometimes inequality comes thru (even subconsciously)...


the congress is now planning to introduce a bill to ban Chinese students for grad schools rn...


Some Republicans were talking about banning Chinese students from studying and researching science here too...but I don't think it will happen.


In India, I've heard of a lot of Northeast Indians getting harassed in Delhi because their facial features resemble Chinese...all of this is due to ignorance. More than racism, India has a bigger issue with discrimination using casteism and religion. I obviously haven't lived in India much to really say anything about this but my parents tell me how normalized it is...esp in the state where my family originates. My parents were actually talking about this last night. My Dad was a paying guest when he was young and the family he lived with would have different silverware for guests who were from a different caste or religion. That is just so sick and honestly, a bit dehumanizing!

Despite growing up in a community were such thinking was normalized, my parents recognized that this was wrong and did not pass it onto me and my sister. That's where discrimination stops. You recognize the problem, fix it in yourself, and don't pass it onto the next generation. Destroy it from the root. I was shocked in college when I was hanging out with some Indian kids and a couple of them kept taking pride in being "Brahmin". These kids are born & raised in the US then how did they get this casteist mindset in a country where their religion only makes up 0.5% of the population? It's because their parents still think this way and passed it onto their kids.


Earlier, When I was talking about minorities being racist towards each other, I was talking about the model minority concept. Many Indians and Chinese think that they are above other minorities because they are "more successful" but this doesn't mean that the issues that other minorities face don't affect us all. The whole model minority mindset is so flawed and a perfect example of manipulation by the government to bring down other minorities. Watch this short video on Model Minority from Adam Ruins Everything. I think you will like it.


https://youtu.be/Pg1X1KkVxN4

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: alina.b


Some Republicans were talking about banning Chinese students from studying and researching science here too...but I don't think it will happen.


In India, I've heard of a lot of Northeast Indians getting harassed in Delhi because their facial features resemble Chinese...all of this is due to ignorance. More than racism, India has a bigger issue with discrimination using casteism and religion. I obviously haven't lived in India much to really say anything about this but my parents tell me how normalized it is...esp in the state where my family originates. My parents were actually talking about this last night. My Dad was a paying guest when he was young and the family he lived with would have different silverware for guests who were from a different caste or religion. That is just so sick and honestly, a bit dehumanizing!

Despite growing up in a community were such thinking was normalized, my parents recognized that this was wrong and did not pass it onto me and my sister. That's where discrimination stops. You recognize the problem, fix it in yourself, and don't pass it onto the next generation. Destroy it from the root. I was shocked in college when I was hanging out with some Indian kids and a couple of them kept taking pride in being "Brahmin". These kids are born & raised in the US then how did they get this casteist mindset in a country where their religion only makes up 0.5% of the population? It's because their parents still think this way and passed it onto their kids.


Earlier, When I was talking about minorities being racist towards each other, I was talking about the model minority concept. Many Indians and Chinese think that they are above other minorities because they are "more successful" but this doesn't mean that the issues that other minorities face don't affect us all. The whole model minority mindset is so flawed and a perfect example of manipulation by the government to bring down other minorities. Watch this short video on Model Minority from Adam Ruins Everything. I think you will like it.


https://youtu.be/Pg1X1KkVxN4

that's true...i also remember a video by Hasan Minhaj where he had some Indian kids & their viewpoints as to how they would react to particular situations such as interracial/intercaste relationships, drugs, sex education, professions, etc...quite evidently, such things do get passed down whether the kid is raised in India (or another country) or abroad...I've seen it within my family friends too...they will be polite but somewhere when that auntie "passes a comment" you can sense some form of inequality coming out...
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Posted: 5 years ago


Omgggg I LOVED THIS! Man, that kid Abeer is such a cutie...he's going places! I related to this video so much! I only had 2 other indian kids besides me in middle school so I've heard so many of the comments that the kids shared. Once I was going to India and one of my friends is like omg what if your parents force you to marry someone there and you can't come back??? I'm like dude...I'm 15, that's illegal, and my parents aren't crazy. The stereotypes people have about Indians and India are so problematic.


The thing I related with the most was being confused about your identity. So, I never thought I would talk about this here so I really hope you guys don't change your opinion about me. In real life, I'm a bit different. I've always felt like I was never American enough for Americans and never Indian enough for Indians. I've been called coconut (Brown on outside and white on inside) so many times. My whole life, I haven't really had many Indian friends. So when I came to college, I met a lot of Indians but I never felt like I fit in then one day someone called me a "white-washed" Indian and tbh it made me insecure. They obviously didn't know me well because, as you guys can tell, I am very connected to my culture but in real life, I don't flaunt it. It made me realize that I need a deeper connection than just same race to be friends with someone. My current friend group is all first-generation kids from different cultures and we share our cultures with each other.


In general, I haven't had good experiences with other Indian-Americans so I actively started avoiding Indians on purpose because I always constantly felt judged. I don't make Indian friends, don't want an Indian roommate, and don't take classes with Indian profs. But then, my dad pointed out that what I was doing is called Internalized racism. I am in a place where my exposure to Indians is very limited and I made my judgement based on that small sample. So, I am trying hard to change my mindset and being more open and honestly, this forum has played a huge role in this. When I was telling my best friend about you guys, she said well looks like you finally found some good Indian friends because I've always wanted people I could share my similarities and cultures without the fear of being judged. Wow, I tell you guys too much about me 😆

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Meena_J

that's true...i also remember a video by Hasan Minhaj where he had some Indian kids & their viewpoints as to how they would react to particular situations such as interracial/intercaste relationships, drugs, sex education, professions, etc...quite evidently, such things do get passed down whether the kid is raised in India (or another country) or abroad...I've seen it within my family friends too...they will be polite but somewhere when that auntie "passes a comment" you can sense some form of inequality coming out...


@Bold - Those Indian Aunties and Uncles are the root cause of the problem that some regressive mindset still prevails in their kids. Also, a lot of times they will just say hurtful or non-sensical things. I was at a dinner party when I was visiting my Uncle and my cousin shared that he made straight-A's that semester and was really proud of himself. Then this neighborhood-uncle literally said "So what? You're Indian...it's expected from you"....like who says that??? What is the need for that? Can't we appreciate the kid and celebrate his little victories?

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: alina.b


Omgggg I LOVED THIS! Man, that kid Abeer is such a cutie...he's going places! I related to this video so much! I only had 2 other indian kids besides me in middle school so I've heard so many of the comments that the kids shared. Once I was going to India and one of my friends is like omg what if your parents force you to marry someone there and you can't come back??? I'm like dude...I'm 15, that's illegal, and my parents aren't crazy. The stereotypes people have about Indians and India are so problematic.


The thing I related with the most was being confused about your identity. So, I never thought I would talk about this here so I really hope you guys don't change your opinion about me. In real life, I'm a bit different. I've always felt like I was never American enough for Americans and never Indian enough for Indians. I've been called coconut (Brown on outside and white on inside) so many times. My whole life, I haven't really had many Indian friends. So when I came to college, I met a lot of Indians but I never felt like I fit in then one day someone called me a "white-washed" Indian and tbh it made me insecure. They obviously didn't know me well because, as you guys can tell, I am very connected to my culture but in real life, I don't flaunt it. It made me realize that I need a deeper connection than just same race to be friends with someone. My current friend group is all first-generation kids from different cultures and we share our cultures with each other.


In general, I haven't had good experiences with other Indian-Americans so I actively started avoiding Indians on purpose because I always constantly felt judged. I don't make Indian friends, don't want an Indian roommate, and don't take classes with Indian profs. But then, my dad pointed out that what I was doing is called Internalized racism. I am in a place where my exposure to Indians is very limited and I made my judgement based on that small sample. So, I am trying hard to change my mindset and being more open and honestly, this forum has played a huge role in this. When I was telling my best friend about you guys, she said well looks like you finally found some good Indian friends because I've always wanted people I could share my similarities and cultures without the fear of being judged. Wow, I tell you guys too much about me 😆

I can relate too...However, i guess it depends on the amount of desis in a particular area bc my area has a huge amount of desi ppl...yet there are ppl who are critical of others...however, i befriend everyone (whether they are Indian or not) depending on their personality and their actions...
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: alina.b


@Bold - Those Indian Aunties and Uncles are the root cause of the problem that some regressive mindset still prevails in their kids. Also, a lot of times they will just say hurtful or non-sensical things. I was at a dinner party when I was visiting my Uncle and my cousin shared that he made straight-A's that semester and was really proud of himself. Then this uncle literally said "So what? You're Indian...it's expected from you"....like who says that??? What is the need for that? Can't we appreciate the kid and celebrate his little victories?

lol + going to Ivy league college to be a doctor/engineer/lawyer or getting an mba is considered a good thing...there are desi ppl I know who dropped outta college and still are living happily...
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Meena_J

I can relate too...However, i guess it depends on the amount of desis in a particular area bc my area has a huge amount of desi ppl...yet there are ppl who are critical of others...however, i befriend everyone (whether they are Indian or not) depending on their personality and their actions...


@bold this is good. This is how we all should be. I also look for people that I "click" with and give good vibes. But, if I see an Indian person, I get all awkward and become aware of the fact that we both are Indian. (I have Indian friends but we aren't close) Idk...I can't really explain why I think like this...I think my experiences shaped it. But I am changing the way I think. I also realize I am starting college again, I am going to a place where no one knows me and I can start out as a clean slate. Just be myself and don't fear being judged...if they like me then good and if they don't then whatever

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