Zaira wasim deletes her Instagram n Twitter account. - Page 6

Originally posted by: ponymo

She didn't do anything that you described. She asserted her religion by citing a verse from her holy book. If that makes her a nutjob, then so is anyone who is religious, as all religions are unscientific, and anyone following a religon must be a nutjob.

Do you see how inconsistent you sound when you say this?

Where is she validating anything? She just put forward her belief. She is not asking you to believe it.

Haan, that's your belief, which is perfectly fine. Let people who think it's god's wrath also be na. Let's all co-exist instead of ridiculing each other's beliefs?

I am not inconsistent, my stance from the beginning has been the same since we started debating. Go and read the thread again. I already explained to you, people following customs, traditions and rituals are not some with whom I have issue. I have issue with people who believe bullshit, and than try to propagate that bullshit to others.

And yes Zaira endorsed the "Locust attack is due to God's warth" by that post. And yes she is validating the situation of locust attack is due to god's warth by posting that post.

See ponymo, no matter how much you try to defend Ziara, she posted a stupid thing.

And also "Locust is not due to god's warth" is not my belief, it is scientifically proven. I am sorry, but you are asking me or anyone to not call out Zaira for that belief of her. Matlab woh kuch bhi bole, we should just listen to it and not give counter points? Yeh kaisa co existence hain, that isn't co existence, that is straight up appeasement.

Sorry I will call out anyone who makes foolish assessments. Whether it is Chakrapani or Zaira Wasim or those wannabe humanists in social media who think corona virus happened because nature wanted us to feel the pain of animals in cages. They belief it, and want to express them, cool, but when they are called out by me, they shouldn't cry of intolerance.

@ ponymo. Sure she didn mean to harm anyone. But I have certainly read a comment by a user that said that we should all kill ourselves bcoz this Earth is suffering due to our sins. She didn mean any harm but her one ignorant comment is making ppl to think in this direction.

Aapne Kaha vo smart hai. To apni smartness ko use to kare comment Karne se pehle.

Originally posted by: ponymo

@Bold: These people are not nutjobs for following blind superstitions and believing in an unscientific religion? So they are only a nutjob if they have certain beliefs which you cannot digest? This is where you are inconsistent.

What do you mean by validating? Again, she is not asking you to believe it. It's her personal belief. Let her be. Why does it bother you so much?

By all means you counter it, but while still respecting her beliefs and not mocking them. As long as she is not harming anyone, why does it matter to you what she believes in?

No, it's not scientifically proven that it's not god's wrath. There could be a greater power that is making it happen - who really knows? I mean you can call this theory bullshit but it's a legitimate possibility?

They are nutjob when they justify things in the name of god. Farmers are suffering, and Zaira posts a quote which blames it on the people's sin which caused God to anger and unleash it. A person doing his or her prayer or customs or his day to day rituals isn't justifying something horrific.

And yes locust attack doesn't happen due to god's warth, happens due to increase in favorable breeding conditions. Sorry but you are endorsing superstition, I accepted better from you of all people.

Originally posted by: ponymo

So what about those who believe in superstition and follow a religion that propogates unscientific things? They are not nutjobs? A person following customs/rituals, I would assume they believe and follow the religon religously. So what is your stance on them?

Increase in favourable conditions could have been premeditated by the greater power. There are a lot of theories as to how we are all just puppets and we are dancing to that supreme power's tunes. Whether you believe them or not, you cannot disprove those theories scientifically. Just like nobody has been able to prove god doesn't exist.

You expected better from me? I'm sorry I disappointed you, but I am agnostic. Neither a theist, who believes in a certain faith, nor an atheist, who says god doesn't exist. Until there is proof, I wouldn't believe either. So while I think religons are ridiculous, I would still defend people's rights to exercise their faith, as long as it doesn't harm anyone. Just as I would respect an atheist's right to disbelieve in god.

See I had already explained it in the first few pages to you, that I find it meh and silly all of these rituals, customs and so on, but I don't have issue with them as long as they aren't propagating something harmful.

The reason why I am saying Zaira's post is equivalent to the nutjobs is because, she is trying to justify a terrible situation using her religious quotes. Does she have the right to post what she believes? Yes.

But do others have the right to call it bullshit? Yes.

We can't dismiss everyone, just because some people abused her. Isn't that generalisation to say everyone who called her out is somehow intolerant and bigot, because of some social.media warriors.

And when I said, I accepted better from you, than it doesn't mean I wanted you to be aethist or anything. I just didn't find it digestible that you who is always critical of religious bullshit, is suddenly supporting one. See I get it that you feeling sorry for Zaira, that her posting a mere quote is getting her trolled. But I can't fathom that you are supporting the "Locust attack is happening because of God's warth" thing.

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

See I had already explained it in the first few pages to you, that I find it meh and silly all of these rituals, customs and so on, but I don't have issue with them as long as they aren't propagating something harmful.

The reason why I am saying Zaira's post is equivalent to the nutjobs is because, she is trying to justify a terrible situation using her religious quotes. Does she have the right to post what she believes? Yes.

But do others have the right to call it bullshit? Yes.

We can't dismiss everyone, just because some people abused her. Isn't that generalisation to say everyone who called her out is somehow intolerant and bigot, because of some social.media warriors.

And when I said, I accepted better from you, than it doesn't mean I wanted you to be aethist or anything. I just didn't find it digestible that you who is always critical of religious bullshit, is suddenly supporting one. See I get it that you feeling sorry for Zaira, that her posting a mere quote is getting her trolled. But I can't fathom that you are supporting the "Locust attack is happening because of God's warth" thing.

I think we're going in circles here, so let's agree to disagree.

IMO, anyone who is religious should be viewed with the same brush. You cannot cherry-pick aspects of religious people you like and then dislike the rest. That's just being convenient.

@Bold: I said it before and let me say it again. "So while I think religons are ridiculous, I would still defend people's rights to exercise their faith, as long as it doesn't harm anyone." - Zaira's belief that this is god's wrath is just an opinion which I don't agree with. I am supporting her right to express that opinion, but not that opinion itsielf.

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

Dude, she got called out because she made a farce of a situation. She is like any of those thousands of religious nutjobs, who believe since people didn't went according to their holy books, hence god is punishing them. And if people call that bullshit, than there is nothing wrong.

Yes certain people go overboard and start abusing, and that is unfortunate, but that is something which happens in the world with everyone who makes statements which doesn't please a certain sections of people. I mean, there are times when people are bashed for something they didn't mean that way, here she is at least bashed for something she meant.

And smart means people who show high degree of intelligence, and if someone is showing a blind belief towards something which isn't proven scientifically and logically, or in any intelligible manner is not a smart person. Locust attack is not due to warth of god, period. Anyone saying that or endorsing that isn't smart. Just because she speaks well doesn't mean I will believe her to be a totally smart girl. The thing is even if she is smart in certain things, she is not smart to post that post. That was a lapse of judgement.

if those people attacked by the locust, is paying for their sins, then why isnt the same logic applied to her.......she is also getting bashed for some sin she did in the past.......😆

The punishment mention in the Quran is for pharaohs and not for israels. If anything that verse is pointing towards cruelty done by Pharaoh and his people on the citizens. Punishment is send as a warning to the evil leaders and not of the citizens. God is merciful thus He sends warning, as much as he can and give you chance to repent, but the Pharaohs still did not despite given one chance after the other, so He eventually drowned them all. Dont forget, beside being merciful, God is also Just.

People also justify their hatred using history and news without knowing if there is any iota of truth of what is written in history books or reported in news.

Hating a celeb, calling them names that is justified by what?. They never concerned if a celeb will read the nonsense they write.

Not all religious people are dumb , at least some know one needs to have full knowledge of something before blindly bashing it.

Humans always finding excuses to dump their incompetence. Kabhi bolo God's mercy Kabhi bolo wrath but khud kabhi koi zimmedari nahi leni.

Originally posted by: ponymo

I think we're going in circles here, so let's agree to disagree.

IMO, anyone who is religious should be viewed with the same brush. You cannot cherry-pick aspects of religious people you like and then dislike the rest. That's just being convenient.

@Bold: I said it before and let me say it again. "So while I think religons are ridiculous, I would still defend people's rights to exercise their faith, as long as it doesn't harm anyone." - Zaira's belief that this is god's wrath is just an opinion which I don't agree with. I am supporting her right to express that opinion, but not that opinion itsielf.

I have agreed to disagree even before argument started, I mean I am not foolish enough to think that me of all people can make change their opinion.

Anyways you and me are going circles, and that I agree.

So let me try to clear things in simple manner:

1. Do I find religious customs silly? Yes and no. Yes because of what their meaning are said to be. No because something religious way of living is healthy than a degenerate non religious one. Just because I an tolerable towards the good of the religion, doesn't mean I should be towards its bad.

2. Do I have an issue with Zaira's post? Yes. Because with that post, she was trying to imply that the suffering that people got is due to their own sins. And that is in a way victim bashing.

3. Does Zaira have the right to post what she thinks? Yes.

4. Is Zaira being abused by some people good? No.

5. Do people have right to call her out? Yes. Freedom of expression goes both ways.

6. I found you trying to supporting "god's warth" comment by saying their can be a possibility that favourable breeding conditions is due to some higher power.

Forget it.