What is your opinion on keeping open churches, temples, mosques ?
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday said that Pakistan is "an independent nation" while addressing a question regarding the government's decision to continue to keep mosques open even as Muslim countries around the world have decided to keep them closed in view of the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1551093/we-are-an-independent-nation-pm-imran-responds-to-questions-over-keeping-mosques-open
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Criminal idiocy. At most, I would say open air gatherings, where people maintain at least 6 ft of separation, don't touch each other, don't sing or shout loudly (which could carry virus droplets) etc.
Oh ! How can you say that? For me god is the most important. I dont even care about economy. You will open banks and economic activity but prevent me from worshiping my god? ( wink )
One thing I observed is that despite the lockdown India increased in rate of infection and death rate where as Pakistan which had more cases at one point is now fallen behind. Why, under reporting ?
Perhaps,..Pakistan is much smaller than India, their per capita rate is higher. But yes, they may not be testing as much as India or may be deliberately under-reporting.
S. Korea got its act together quite early. That does not mean they are out of the woods yet. We have to be careful of future waves of the virus. Lockdown is not the answer each time a wave comes.
In India we cannot wait to open the economy or lift the lockdown until testing becomes available more widely or all the risks are taken care of. The only thing that might happen is that tax rates might go up to take care of the crisis expenditure. As is the wont of the current regime, they will add another cess on top of already existing ones. How many will accept that?
Rich vs poor people, rich vs poor nations, employed vs unemployed will all have different ways of looking at the lockdown and all right in their own ways. But the following cannot be wrong in India:
1) Rolling lockdowns every time a wave resurfaces is not the solution. Better option is to identify the vulnerable and protect them from death. Infection is a given and will be the new normal to be accepted.
2) GOI (India) should stop engaging in wars with opposition or some communities. Identifying cases due to Tablighi and making the statistic public, propping up media to insult people like Mrs. Gandhi in the midst of such a crisis are not going to contribute to the war in any way. Same goes for opposition. West Bengal should start co-operating, opposition should stop giving soundbites, lip service in the fight and do more meaningful work.
I am not hopeful of the right thing happening. But I will be eagerly waiting to be able to go out and start interviewing to become employed again.
I agree Lockdown punishes the downtrodden disproportionately. However, it is also true if Lockdown was not implemented (in India) again it would have been the downtrodden who would have suffered most casualties and morbidities. The richer would have taken up places in the hospital using their social and financial capital. Even after Lockdown opens up it will be the downtrodden who will be at risk the most. Like I said earlier there are bad answers and worse answers, no good answers - in the short term of a month or two at least.
I understand. Maybe my views are colored by my own situation. Virus, like terrorism, needs us to to be carefree or make a mistake only once. We will not know for sure if the governments are being over-cautious and killed the economy for nothing only after a few months or a couple of years. I hope the governments are being honest and not forcing this situation of suppressing liberties and rights using the pretext of Carona. If it is a genuine mistake (if it indeed is a mistake), then that should be acceptable. Alternatively, it may turnout that lockdown was the only solution and they were right and smart. We will know in 18-24 months.
Well,... perhaps,..
We will never know.
People opposed to govt. will find arguments to say that Govt. made a blunder.
People supporting govt. will go on explaining that it was the only sane decision.
Yess,....we will never know. It will become political football quickly and people will move on. Scientists will publish papers and some truth regarding what really happened will be buried in there and no one will look at it...till another pandemic arrives.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation
^ Somehow this remains the view of Americans even after 48K+ deaths,..
Supports lifting of complete lock downs in favour of using data driven localized decisions!
But they say,...Things have improved a bit overall. Today CA governor sounded that gradual opening up will happen with more testing, contact tracing and isolating trouble areas approach .
If we can get testing to scale up so that contact tracing can be implemented, we can at least have a system in place than blindly opening up and it flaring up again and one more lock down.
I think California needs to take lead in opening up as they tackled issue well for a big state that initially thought to be devastated by this pandemic.
show the rest of US, they way forward Californians!
CA Governor has ordered more testing kits( for both swabs and serology to detect antibodies), more PPE like masks showing that he is open to lifting lockdown gradually and sooner than later. He wants to see results of testing, contact tracing before he commits a date.
Many prefer his pragmatic approach than some Governors announcing in mid April that worst is over.
Yess,...
There are solutions being implemented by countries like Germany and South Korea.
Instead of asking our govts to do the right thing we want to take the easy route of sacrificing lives to build herd immunity.
It has been three months and still the priority is not what needs to be done to do epidemic management the right way.
BTW, if lock down was not implemented in India and god forbid it would have gone the way of NYC or Italy/Spain , we would have a complete chaos with 10s of millions very sick and millions dead.
Unfortunately people do not even know what to ask from their govt and hence only thing that comes to their mind is the old way, where private sector runs the economy and govts does their non stop show business for elections.
BTW, my comment was not even for India. It was for USA where we have enough resources to take care of this problem without sending people in harms way to develop herd immunity. But we got an incompetent federal govt and hence its now falling on state govt who do not have the money.
I still cannot understand why the federal govt is reluctant to do it the right way.
I read somewhere that they are afraid more positive results will make the public think that we are not ready to end lock down and will not participate in economy hence defeating the purpose of the reelection committee.
Its not like we are dealing with a new science, it is well established and proven epidemic management protocol which needs to be followed.
Oh well in future we need a change for emergency situations so that more money can be diverted to states than only the federal govt having access to infinite funds but doing nothing since its being run by a diva, elected by weird election system, with no real responsibility. Past three days, "new cases by day" seems to have increased for CA. Same with "deaths by day". I don't think CA has improved yet.
I think California released a huge backlog of test results over the last 2 days. Something like 165-185K results. The vast majority are negative, but even a very small positive rate skews their number upwards.
Kind of annoying for someone trying to track trends -- in fact, the numbers are so large, they throw off trends for the whole country.
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California's cases went up due to backlog of tests released but still in 9th place in fatalities and deaths/Million population is not high compared to NY/NJ/MA
b-t-w, again talking about India, they say results may go PEAK in mId-May ( Hope not ! )
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/coronavirus-epidemic-could-peak-in-india-by-mid-may-study/articleshow/75283258.cms
Let's wait n' watch,... Let time 2 tell the story, and God over head whom we trust and believe,.. ! Astu.
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