MPTH #2 (ARY) Adnan, Hira Mani, Humayun, Ayeza by Khalil ur Rahman - Page 35

Originally posted by: M.A.K123

Zina is a huge sin .. i am not sure if there is forgiveness for this in Islam ... Both Mehwish and Shawar are guilty of it and both should be punished equally ... Shawar's downfall should start when his wife enters but i doubt Khalil would show his kind being punished

Mateen saab might have had respect but he was not in peace ...maybe his daughter will tell us more about his suffering

Allah has stated in Quran, that everything cluding zina will be forgiven if repentance is done from a pure heart

but keep in mind that doing adultery while you are married is 1000 times worse than for single people

Originally posted by: M.A.K123

Zina is a huge sin .. i am not sure if there is forgiveness for this in Islam ... Both Mehwish and Shawar are guilty of it and both should be punished equally ... Shawar's downfall should start when his wife enters but i doubt Khalil would show his kind being punished

Mateen saab might have had respect but he was not in peace ...maybe his daughter will tell us more about his suffering

I'm not denying zina is a massive sin, but Islamically no sin is too big for forgiveness as long as you sincerely repent.

There's a hadith about an unmarried woman who got pregnant, I read it years ago so I'm not sure how to find it now but from what I remember:

The woman went to the Prophet (pbuh) and confessed her sin and that she's pregnant, she then asked for the hudd punishment (stoning). The Prophet (pbuh) refused and told her to go away and look after herself so her child is born healthy. After she gave birth to the child she came back to the Prophet (pbuh) and said she's given birth to a healthy baby and now can she be punished for her sin. The Prophet (pbuh) sent her away again and told her to look after the baby because it needs a mother's milk. Once the child was too old for breastmilk the woman went to the Prophet (pbuh) again and asked to be punished. At this point, the Prophet (pbuh) had to carry out the punishment because despite sending her away she kept coming back and asking for the punishment.

This woman was given three opportunities to move on with her life, before the punishment was finally given.

Forgiveness is preferred in Islam, we're supposed to allow people the opportunity to fix their mistakes and live a better life.

And yes, Mateen wasn't at peace but that's a personal matter and a personal struggle. Mehwish, as a woman, will not have the luxury to only struggle with her own guilty conscience. She will also have to deal with other people's judgment and their refusal to let her move forward.

Originally posted by: Amara_B

I'm not denying zina is a massive sin, but Islamically no sin is too big for forgiveness as long as you sincerely repent.

There's a hadith about an unmarried woman who got pregnant, I read it years ago so I'm not sure how to find it now but from what I remember:

The woman went to the Prophet (pbuh) and confessed her sin and that she's pregnant, she then asked for the hudd punishment (stoning). The Prophet (pbuh) refused and told her to go away and look after herself so her child is born healthy. After she gave birth to the child she came back to the Prophet (pbuh) and said she's given birth to a healthy baby and now can she be punished for her sin. The Prophet (pbuh) sent her away again and told her to look after the baby because it needs a mother's milk. Once the child was too old for breastmilk the woman went to the Prophet (pbuh) again and asked to be punished. At this point, the Prophet (pbuh) had to carry out the punishment because despite sending her away she kept coming back and asking for the punishment.

This woman was given three opportunities to move on with her life, before the punishment was finally given.

Forgiveness is preferred in Islam, we're supposed to allow people the opportunity to fix their mistakes and live a better life.

And yes, Mateen wasn't at peace but that's a personal matter and a personal struggle. Mehwish, as a woman, will not have the luxury to only struggle with her own guilty conscience. She will also have to deal with other people's judgment and their refusal to let her move forward.

Did she want to be punished in order to repend for her sin and thats why she kept going back? ..or was she punished for her sin (i dont know if i am making sense to you)

Originally posted by: Amara_B

I'm not denying zina is a massive sin, but Islamically no sin is too big for forgiveness as long as you sincerely repent.

There's a hadith about an unmarried woman who got pregnant, I read it years ago so I'm not sure how to find it now but from what I remember:

The woman went to the Prophet (pbuh) and confessed her sin and that she's pregnant, she then asked for the hudd punishment (stoning). The Prophet (pbuh) refused and told her to go away and look after herself so her child is born healthy. After she gave birth to the child she came back to the Prophet (pbuh) and said she's given birth to a healthy baby and now can she be punished for her sin...

There's also hadeeth Maiz who committed a sin of zina. And after he got punished the Prophet (pbuh) told sahaba: " Ask forgiveness for Ma'iz b. Malik. They said: May Allah forgive Ma'iz b. Malik. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He (Ma'iz) has made such a repentance that if that were to be divided among a people, it would have been enough for all of them".

It shows that true tauba deserve forhiveness. But this is between man an Allah. Between muslims there is a difference..coz if married ppl kept accepting their unfaithfull spouses back after showing rependance zina will spreed in society.

Also in both hadeeths of Ghamidiya and Maiz they were stoned to death although the made tauba which proves that only Allah forgives in the sins which deserve hadd (punishment) like: zina and stealing .

Originally posted by: awida

There's also hadeeth Maiz who committed a sin of zina. And after he got punished the Prophet (pbuh) told sahaba: " Ask forgiveness for Ma'iz b. Malik. They said: May Allah forgive Ma'iz b. Malik. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He (Ma'iz) has made such a repentance that if that were to be divided among a people, it would have been enough for all of them".

It shows that true tauba deserve forhiveness. But this is between man an Allah. Between muslims there is a difference..coz if married ppl kept accepting their unfaithfull spouses back after showing rependance zina will spreed in society.

Also in both hadeeths of Ghamidiya and Maiz they were stoned to death although the made tauba which proves that only Allah forgives in the sins which deserve hadd (punishment) like: zina and stealing .

So they are forgiven only after they were punished for the sin ?

Originally posted by: awida

There's also hadeeth Maiz who committed a sin of zina. And after he got punished the Prophet (pbuh) told sahaba: " Ask forgiveness for Ma'iz b. Malik. They said: May Allah forgive Ma'iz b. Malik. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He (Ma'iz) has made such a repentance that if that were to be divided among a people, it would have been enough for all of them".

It shows that true tauba deserve forhiveness. But this is between man an Allah. Between muslims there is a difference..coz if married ppl kept accepting their unfaithfull spouses back after showing rependance zina will spreed in society.

Also in both hadeeths of Ghamidiya and Maiz they were stoned to death although the made tauba which proves that only Allah forgives in the sins which deserve hadd (punishment) like: zina and stealing .

I disagree. Of course it's up to Allah to accept people's repentance. But here on earth man can forgive sins if a person is repenting.

Almost all scholars emphasise forgiveness is one of the most important aspects of Islam. If you go on a website like seekersguidance and type in zina, you will see people who have committed this sin writing to scholars about their sins and telling them they're sorry and feel they should be punished. None of the scholars are telling them they should be stoned to death, they're saying make sincere repentance and move on with your life striving never to commit the sin again.

And in reality giving the hadd punishment is almost impossible anyway, because you need three trustworthy witnesses to testify the sin occurred. In what situation will three people have seen such a sin occur? This is Allah's mercy to mankind, it gives people room to sin repent and do better in the future.

Originally posted by: M.A.K123

Did she want to be punished in order to repend for her sin and thats why she kept going back? ..or was she punished for her sin (i dont know if i am making sense to you)

The way I understood the hadith, she kept going back because she was so sorry for what she did she felt she deserved to be punished. But the Prophet (pbuh) could see how sorry she was and so kept sending her away to save her from the hadd punishment.

Originally posted by: M.A.K123

So they are forgiven only after they were punished for the sin ?

No, you don't have to be punished to get forgiveness. The only condition for forgiveness is sincere repentance. If you sincerely repent it's up to Allah to forgive you.

Originally posted by: Amara_B

No, you don't have to be punished to get forgiveness. The only condition for forgiveness is sincere repentance. If you sincerely repent it's up to Allah to forgive you.

But there are amal(sorry i dnt know the full term properly) too ..Allah will forgive our sins but if we wrong a person ...we must seek their forgiveness

Originally posted by: M.A.K123

But there are amal(sorry i dnt know the full term properly) too ..Allah will forgive our sins but if we wrong a person ...we must seek their forgiveness

yeah that's when we wrong somebody else for example stealing from someone, hurting someone etc then we need to ask for their forgiveness first sincerely. In terms of cheating, the both parties who cheated were consenting so the only harm mehwish caused danish was emotional, hence she'd need to ask him forgiveness for causing pain..whereas zina was consenting so that sin is upon her and shehwar. hope I'm making sense.

Rest Allah knows best