Daily Discussion 4 Krishna Chali London. - Page 91

Originally posted by: divine_16

Aneeqa...I somehow had a feeling that Radhey would be brought to play a part in the realisation and ultimate forgiveness . And this thought was pissing me literally. But the worst thing and better say the thing which makes me angry is that BS or Shukla clan is not going to forgive Veer for saving BS's life from death...but they need a dream of Radhey!!!Yup..Veer had been the reason for their son's death but they have tortured him like hell from childhood ...they have been the reason behind his father's death,though indirectly.Still the person will be curing BS....giving back his life..can't that be reason to forgive him??If Veer had turned his back, siting some excuse ...then what would have Shuklas done???Somehow...this thing makes me feel Veer is being punished/demeaned for an incident which was committed by him accidently while BS goes scott free for the numerous crimes he has committed!!

Okay Ishani, please calm down.

Why is it pissing you off? I kind of knew Radhay would be shown eventually. Hell Rani Mukherji was shown in KKHH tu why can't Radhay... We're not sure if its forgiveness, it could also be for Krishna to tell her that he's okay and he's happy that she moved ahead in life... we're still guessing na... For all, we know Radhay might now be the reason for forgiveness at all...

As for torture from childhood - yeh ziada ni hogaya? All Shukla did was refused to help them with money and so the father died. He didn't torture them. And that's the truth. Yes, indirectly he was the cause of the pain they went through but Veer did the same. He was indirectly the cause of the pain Shuklain, Krishna and every member of the Shukla clan went through... if you want to justify this- please go ahead - but the fact is - in this situation - both Shukla and Veer are same.

I am not saying Veer is as evil as Shukla. He is not. He's overall a nice person, he felt guilty and responsible and Shukla did not and here lies the biggest difference between them. Also, Shukla has done plenty of criminal stuff too.

Also, I don't think Shukla would be punished, but I think he will suffer somehow. There will be a change of heart, yes. But there will also be some indirect punishment. We'll have to wait and see to know how Shukla will be made answerable but I'm hopeful that he will be made answerable...

Originally posted by: annx

Okay Ishani, please calm down.

I'm chilled out...buddy😆

Why is it pissing you off? I kind of knew Radhay would be shown eventually. Hell Rani Mukherji was shown in KKHH tu why can't Radhay... We're not sure if its forgiveness, it could also be for Krishna to tell her that he's okay and he's happy that she moved ahead in life... we're still guessing na... For all, we know Radhay might now be the reason for forgiveness at all...

I never wanted Radhey to come back in a dream and be reason of forgiveness.As per Rani Mukherjee ..she came in as a part of realisation to the love but here Krishna doesn't need any realisation as she is already in love with Veer and have moved onn...remember the letter which she wrote to Radhey after marraige.So,here the comparison doesn't stand.I always want that a person's deeds has to be the reason of forgiveness, not a dream!!!

As for torture from childhood - yeh ziada ni hogaya? All Shukla did was refused to help them with money and so the father died. He didn't torture them. And that's the truth. Yes, indirectly he was the cause of the pain they went through but Veer did the same. He was indirectly the cause of the pain Shuklain, Krishna and every member of the Shukla clan went through... if you want to justify this- please go ahead - but the fact is - in this situation - both Shukla and Veer are same.

Aneeqa. ..u may feel that I'm reacting too much...but the childhood is always the base of one's future. And parents ensure the prosperity of their child's future .But unfortunately Veer was robbed off it!!And come onn...have u not seen how Sunaina was always scared like hell, seeing BS??What do u think....why would one be so scared of someone like this???It's only when someone is tortured severely ...that have not been shown in the show explicitly. ..but it can easily be made out.

I am not saying Veer is as evil as Shukla. He is not. He's overall a nice person, he felt guilty and responsible and Shukla did not and here lies the biggest difference between them. Also, Shukla has done plenty of criminal stuff too.

And this is the most disgusting thing!!!The man have no remorse....Veer had saved him twice.If he had not saved him from the fire in the camp.... his photo would have been framed and hung on a wall with garland on .

Also, I don't think Shukla would be punished, but I think he will suffer somehow. There will be a change of heart, yes. But there will also be some indirect punishment. We'll have to wait and see to know how Shukla will be made answerable but I'm hopeful that he will be made answerable...

I don't think he would be answerable anymore...ITV do forget the criminals to get punished!!!All turns into mahan atma ....at the end!!

And EID mubarrak .... have a blast!!!😃

Originally posted by: divine_16

I'm chilled out...buddy

You don't sound chilled out... Eid h... chill karo enjoy karo... 😆

I never wanted Radhey to come back in a dream and be reason of forgiveness.As per Rani Mukherjee ..she came in as a part of realisation to the love but here Krishna doesn't need any realisation as she is already in love with Veer and have moved onn...remember the letter which she wrote to Radhey after marraige.So,here the comparison doesn't stand.I always want that a person's deeds has to be the reason of forgiveness, not a dream!!!

Yaar we're assuming that Radhay is coming for forgiveness. Maybe he is maybe he isn't. As I said maybe he is coming for Krishna... I know she's not guilty and all but that letter scene was BEFORE she found out that Veer caused Radhay's death... So this time, it's Radhay himself who comes and tells her that he's happy she moved on... Or maybe to Shuklain to tell her that he's okay and happy where he is and that they should let Krishna move on... none this has to do with them forgiving Veer. Also, what deeds has Veer done to be forgiven by Shukla clan - except yes for saving BS's life twice. We know how Shuklain suffered when Radhay died... I don't remember him apologizing to her... Please tell me if you remember him apologizing to her. Veer has only and only been concerned about Krishna and her forgiveness... so please tell me what deeds make them forgive him? Maybe this operation actually causes a change of heart and this 'deed' makes them forgive him... wait a few days to find out...

I know you're a Veer fan. I like him too. I invested A LOT of time and energy into this show and their characters so I am not going to act like a Karthik Naira fan and pretend the character is right even when they're wrong.

I know Rani's analogy doesn't really stand here but she was the only ghost I remembered

Aneeqa. ..u may feel that I'm reacting too much...but the childhood is always the base of one's future. And parents ensure the prosperity of their child's future .But unfortunately Veer was robbed off it!!And come onn...have u not seen how Sunaina was always scared like hell, seeing BS??What do u think....why would one be so scared of someone like this???It's only when someone is tortured severely ...that have not been shown in the show explicitly. ..but it can easily be made out.

Yaar, I honestly don't agree with all of this. Veer still became the best doctor in the world. A super rich guy. Also, Veer was around 17-18 when his father died. He wasn't a child. His childhood wasn't stolen. He was technically an adult or almost one. Most of us were doing our own things at that age. It's not like he couldn't study or whatever. Most of us were or are self-financing our studies or helping our parents financially at this age even when BOTH our parents are alive. Yes, he suffered, yes, he lost his father and must have struggled but he was definitely not robbed of his childhood. Sorry, I don't agree. Itna bechara ni h woh!

And about Sunaina, most of our mothers are like that - scared of powerful men. I know my mum is and my dad is alive (may God give him long life). Sunaina knew who Shukla was and how powerful he was. She was scared, yes. But that didn't scare Veer off. Also, she was scared not because she suffered. That's what you are assuming. I think she was scared because she knew what Shukla was capable of. She has seen others suffered from Shukla's wrath! This is my assumption. That's how I have read the character. We both can be right or wrong.

And this is the most disgusting thing!!!The man have no remorse....Veer had saved him twice.If he had not saved him from the fire in the camp....his photo have been framed and hanging on a wall with garland on .

Let's wait? Maybe after he wakes up from the coma, he actually feels remorse. Maybe he actually feels bad and apologizes when he realizes how his family's and his feelings were played with by this FR? The first time his ego didn't allow him to thank him or accept him. But now he's broken badly. Especially emotionally. I think when he wakes up, he might be a different man.

I don't think he would be answerable anymore...ITV do forget the criminals to get punished!!!All turns into mahan atma ....at the end!!

Actually, I have seen criminals being punished on ITV. He won't be punished because he's also an important family character and not an out and out villain. He's good with his own family though... He'll probably apologize... Chill and enjoy the remaining episodes. They're not that bad! They're nice and still different from most of the crap being shown on TV.

comments in bold since I had to reply to almost everything you wrote

Originally posted by: annx

Yaar we're assuming that Radhay is coming for forgiveness. Maybe he is maybe he isn't. As I said maybe he is coming for Krishna... I know she's not guilty and all but that letter scene was BEFORE she found out that Veer caused Radhay's death... So this time, it's Radhay himself who comes and tells her that he's happy she moved on... Or maybe to Shuklain to tell her that he's okay and happy where he is and that they should let Krishna move on... none this has to do with them forgiving Veer. Also, what deeds has Veer done to be forgiven by Shukla clan - except yes for saving BS's life twice. We know how Shuklain suffered when Radhay died... I don't remember him apologizing to her... Please tell me if you remember him apologizing to her. Veer has only and only been concerned about Krishna and her forgiveness... so please tell me what deeds make them forgive him? Maybe this operation actually causes a change of heart and this 'deed' makes them forgive him... wait a few days to find out...

Aneeqa...don't u consider saving a man ,that too twice...worthy of forgiveness? ??May be whatever he did was out of concern for Krishna...but he did risk his life.He would have died in that devastating fire.Even Laliya in a scene after the camp, said to Krishna about this.. she clearly mentioned how Veer risked his life when his life was always challenged because of BS!! And Veer was the person who diagnosed Laliya's illness and was hell concerned about her just like Krishna.In the medicine scam...he knew that they had proof of BS and Triloki's involvement...if he wanted he could have made them to rot in jail.Now what more deeds u want from him, to be forgiven??

I know you're a Veer fan. I like him too. I invested A LOT of time and energy into this show and their characters so I am not going to act like a Karthik Naira fan and pretend the character is right even when they're wrong.

I did begin to watch as a Veer fan and eventually became a krishveer fan..but after that misunderstanding.....Krishna's character didn't appeal to me much.And ...well...I'm not a blind fan...I was the one who pointed out Veer's indifference when Veer didn't meet Naini for 5 long years and called her only after he needed to know about FR.I did criticise him in my post...if u remember.I also point out at the things where my fav character faulters.😊

Yaar, I honestly don't agree with all of this. Veer still became the best doctor in the world. A super rich guy. Also, Veer was around 17-18 when his father died. He wasn't a child. His childhood wasn't stolen. He was technically an adult or almost one. Most of us were doing our own things at that age. It's not like he couldn't study or whatever. Most of us were or are self-financing our studies or helping our parents financially at this age even when BOTH our parents are alive. Yes, he suffered, yes, he lost his father and must have struggled but he was definitely not robbed of his childhood. Sorry, I don't agree. Itna bechara ni h woh!

Aneeqa...whatever he achieved was bcoz of his strong will power.But ... u can't defy the fact that parents act as a shelter and do help in shaping out your career apart from self dedication...and will power.He did had to struggle to go thru his academics which would have been little easier if his father would have been alive.I'm using the term 'robbed off'... bcoz at that age he has to get into the shoes of a guardian to both his mother and his sister.He had to take up the responsibilty of both of them....apart from financing his studies...and it's hell of a task!!!The kind of situation they had to go thru at that time...do u think he can afford to carry on with a 'becharapan' attitude???

And about Sunaina, most of our mothers are like that - scared of powerful men. I know my mum is and my dad is alive (may God give him long life). Sunaina knew who Shukla was and how powerful he was. She was scared, yes. But that didn't scare Veer off. Also, she was scared not because she suffered. That's what you are assuming. I think she was scared because she knew what Shukla was capable of. She has seen others suffered from Shukla's wrath! This is my assumption. That's how I have read the character. We both can be right or wrong.

I felt that Sunaina has suffered the wrath of BS and even of Shuklain....which made her scared off them.At the begining Sunaina always used to approach towards Shuklain....to ease the equation between them....but has been insulted everytime .They always demeaned her and Veer and ridiculed them as they were BS's munim's related.He even wanted to destroy Krishveer relation just bcoz Krishna was marrying his munim's son!!

Actually, I have seen criminals being punished on ITV. He won't be punished because he's also an important family character and not an out and out villain. He's good with his own family though... He'll probably apologize... Chill and enjoy the remaining episodes. They're not that bad! They're nice and still different from most of the crap being shown on TV.

I know... now the episodes are not that bad..as the show is nearing to the finale.So...I do watch it....and the strangest part...I'm bearing with even the FR scenes.😆

Originally posted by: divine_16

Aneeqa...don't u consider saving a man ,that too twice...worthy of forgiveness? ??May be whatever he did was out of concern for Krishna...but he did risk his life.He would have died in that devastating fire.Even Laliya in a scene after the camp, said to Krishna about this.. she clearly mentioned how Veer risked his life when his life was always challenged because of BS!! And Veer was the person who diagnosed Laliya's illness and was hell concerned about her just like Krishna.In the medicine scam...he knew that they had proof of BS and Triloki's involvement...if he wanted he could have made them to rot in jail.Now what more deeds u want from him, to be forgiven??

No Ishani, I don't consider saving the man twice is worth forgiving the death of your son. Nothing is worth that. NOTHING. And Laliya wasn't diagnosed by him, he just realized it was resurfacing... everyone knew Laliya had cancer... so that wasn't a very mahan thing either... My point only is that Veer has not done anything mahan according to me. No, you cannot forgive a man who killed your son (unknowingly) only because he saved you - twice. Also, not letting them rot in jail part was Krishna's decision not Veer's. He respected her decision and did not go against it. He knew Krishna would not want that.

Having said that, how do you know Shukla will not forgive him now? Remember the first time he was saved no one knew that Veer had killed Radhay, and when the fact surface the saving thing was long forgotten. Why would someone sit down and say oh haan itnay mahenay phalay he saved me, let me forgive him... Ishani that's not how it works in real life. No.

And as I said, let's wait for BS to come out of the coma. Who knows he might actually forgive him...

I did begin to watch as a Veer fan and eventually became a krishveer fan..but after that misunderstanding.....Krishna's character didn't appeal to me much.And ...well...I'm not a blind fan...I was the one who pointed out Veer's indifference when Veer didn't meet Naini for 5 long years and called her only after he needed to know about FR.I did criticise him in my post...if u remember.I also point out at the things where my fav character faulters.

That's great then. 😊

Aneeqa...whatever he achieved was bcoz of his strong will power.But ... u can't defy the fact that parents act as a shelter and do help in shaping out your career apart from self dedication...and will power.He did had to struggle to go thru his academics which would have been little easier if his father would have been alive.I'm using the term 'robbed off'... bcoz at that age he has to get into the shoes of a guardian to both his mother and his sister.He had to take up the responsibilty of both of them....apart from financing his studies...and it's hell of a task!!!The kind of situation they had to go thru at that time...do u think he can afford to carry on with a 'becharapan' attitude???

Yaar, I see your point of view and might partially agree with it but I still believe that Veer gave it back when he accidentally killed Radhay. There is a saying that says ulad ka dukh duniya ka sub say bara dukh hota h (Loss of a child is the biggest pain anyone can get). No one, no one in their right mind wishes for that pain even for their worst enemies. When we have kids, even our parents become secondary... that's a fact. Losing your kid is a million times worse than losing a parent... Ask that from someone who has lost a child. So no matter how much he must have struggled, the pain he gave them (unknowingly) is worst.

I rest my case at that.

I felt that Sunaina has suffered the wrath of BS and even of Shuklain....which made her scared off them.At the begining Sunaina always used to approach towards Shuklain....to ease the equation between them....but has been insulted everytime .They always demeaned her and Veer and ridiculed them as they were BS's munim's related.He even wanted to destroy Krishveer relation just bcoz Krishna was marrying his munim's son!!

I don't think being ridiculed is the reason Sunaina is scared of them. She is a weak, easily scared person - something most of you already recognized.

I know... now the episodes are not that bad..as the show is nearing to the finale.So...I do watch it....and the strangest part...I'm bearing with even the FR scenes.

That's good to know

I replied back

Although, Ishani I know you and I have a totally different point of view... I know I shall not be able to see it through your eyes, and you cannot probably see my perspective... which is perfectly fine though. These are two perspectives and probably we're both right in our own ways...

That's the beauty of some characters where every person can look at them the way they want to... Half the world hates Prof Snape and Loki but to me, they're the most interesting characters ever written. I don't see them as evil. Also, I think I am one of the rare few who can see through their bad doings and forgive them... Does not mean I am right, and others wrong in understanding these persons. It only means that I see these characters from a different light. We are all correct in our own way. 😆

Eid Mubarak again Ishani. Have a nice day! 🤗

Originally posted by: annx

I replied back

Although, Ishani I know you and I have a totally different point of view... I know I shall not be able to see it through your eyes, and you cannot probably see my perspective... which is perfectly fine though. These are two perspectives and probably we're both right in our own ways...

That's the beauty of some characters where every person can look at them the way they want to... Half the world hates Prof Snape and Loki but to me, they're the most interesting characters ever written. I don't see them as evil. Also, I think I am one of the rare few who can see through their bad doings and forgive them... Does not mean I am right, and others wrong in understanding these persons. It only means that I see these characters from a different light. We are all correct in our own way. 😆

Eid Mubarak again Ishani. Have a nice day! 🤗

Enjoy EID ...have a nice day...eat healthy and stay fine!!!🤗

Originally posted by: divine_16

I know Aneeqa we are not again agreeing on different parts.And I do agree that ,death of a son though unknowingly ,cannot be forgiven easily.But I do believe...when I would see the same person risking his life ...is going at the threshold of death to save a person..my heart would, really wish to forgive !!! But...anyways...like always we are not on the same page.But..I'm really eager to know.. ... according to you what 'mahan karnama' would Veer have to do, to seek forgivness???

Enjoy EID ...have a nice day...eat healthy and stay fine!!!🤗

Nothing. Nothing can be mahan enough for a parent to forgive the death of their child. Not even saving their own lives. Except for remorse (according to Harry Potter and Dumbledore).

I had always hoped to see Veer ask for forgiveness from at least Shuklain. Cry, beg and accept his mistake. Krishna just lost a husband - Shuklain lost a son she loved so so much...A son she did not bore, but a son she brought up with so much love. A son Shukla loved more than he ever loved Gaj and Tirloki.

All he ever did was apologize from Krishna. All he ever wanted was forgiveness from Krishna. All he ever felt bad about was Krishna. Radhay was not just Krishna's. He was the happiness of Shukla house. Look at the love the FR is being showered with... Real Radhay got a 100 times more love. Yes, there were incidents but they had a back story!

A child's death can never be forgiven unless the parents just decide to forgive him. Not because of some mahan deed but because they feel the person is really sorry for what he did. And he hasn't proven that he's sorry. Not to the parents! And Krishna doesn't count! I'm sorry, she doesn't.

Forgiveness is earned, and when it comes to killing a child, remorse is the only thing that can make a parent's heart melt. Now I think about it, Radhay showing up and helping Shukla and Shuklain to forgive Veer makes total sense. They might have a change of heart but they will still find it very difficult to forgive the killer of their son. Only Radhay's push can make them forgive him.

Although, I really really want to see Veer apologize - at least to Shuklain. Although Shukla also deserves an apology for losing a son but only if Shukla also apologizes for not helping with Veer's dad.

Hello guys em back..Need to catch old episodes..But seems like nothing intresting happened...

Today's episode started with Veer & mohan giving dhamkis to each other & mohan had knife in his hand but ajit entered to he started acting goody goody ..Then sunaina got to know about BS accident & she was scared.

Then Krishana came at Veer's Cabin & mohan was hearing that conversation so they were pretending to fight in between Krishna to I luv u to veer too ..Veer then goes & collected proof against mohan. .

One lawyer came & informed that Radhe real father named his property worth 3 crore to Radhe ..

Veer called Krishna that Mohan pushed BS in front of Truck he sadi I have proof in my pen drive ..Sunaina came to meet BS in hospital ..She heard Veer's convo

Precap - sunina told mohan to run away but he refused ..Sunaina tries to steal Veer's pendrive & Veer saw..

Originally posted by: annx

Nothing. Nothing can be mahan enough for a parent to forgive the death of their child. Not even saving their own lives. Except for remorse (according to Harry Potter and Dumbledore).

I had always hoped to see Veer ask for forgiveness from at least Shuklain. Cry, beg and accept his mistake. Krishna just lost a husband - Shuklain lost a son she loved so so much...A son she did not bore, but a son she brought up with so much love. A son Shukla loved more than he ever loved Gaj and Tirloki.

All he ever did was apologize from Krishna. All he ever wanted was forgiveness from Krishna. All he ever felt bad about was Krishna. Radhay was not just Krishna's. He was the happiness of Shukla house. Look at the love the FR is being showered with... Real Radhay got a 100 times more love. Yes, there were incidents but they had a back story!

A child's death can never be forgiven unless the parents just decide to forgive him. Not because of some mahan deed but because they feel the person is really sorry for what he did. And he hasn't proven that he's sorry. Not to the parents! And Krishna doesn't count! I'm sorry, she doesn't.

Forgiveness is earned, and when it comes to killing a child, remorse is the only thing that can make a parent's heart melt. Now I think about it, Radhay showing up and helping Shukla and Shuklain to forgive Veer makes total sense. They might have a change of heart but they will still find it very difficult to forgive the killer of their son. Only Radhay's push can make them forgive him.

Although, I really really want to see Veer apologize - at least to Shuklain. Although Shukla also deserves an apology for losing a son but only if Shukla also apologizes for not helping with Veer's dad.

Anyways...we do take things and see things in different light...and this is purely my opinion and how I feel!!😊 The debate can go and onn...esp.when we have difference in opinion.

Ssuvii..thanks for the update...and how's your tour going on???

Btw...so finally ,some lovey dovey krishveer scene and saying I Love u to Veer!! Chalo..atleast the makers did pay heed that they have to show some krishveer moments.😆Uff!!Sunaina had to be present in all the crucial moments...and how far this lady will fall!! I think ..Sunaina will still not be caught and she would make some excuse. ..but hope she gets caught.How would she face Veer!!! Mohan in lure of money is digging his own grave...I hope he is parcelled to jail soon!!