Why SRK movies don't connect? - Page 20

Originally posted by: Himalaya10

I think, SRK was lucky also at some where for sure,..,.. that unlike, Kaka and Big B who had to do loads of fight sequences in each and every of their movies,... doing disoom-sisoom somewhere with Prem chopra, Shetty, Man mohan, Ranjeet, Shakti kapoor, Amrish puri, Ajeet, K N singh, Punit issar, Amzad khan, and who not,.. and had to learn so many fight master arts, techs, sequences, loads of rehearses, Big B even had even injured himself next to death,... doing such scenes,..etc,..

But in case of SRK, ... Koyla, and very few such movies apart,.. most of the chunk he got musical, geet-sangeet, family life, Shaadi, love-hate with no villain in the movies, sorta movies having no villain in it and hence, he saved the entire hard-work needed in that department,...

Originally posted by: MoonOrchid

Thanks@flipfl0p. 😊

And I agree with the bolded bits..greast ponts on script.. character connection, audience orientation, budget vs delivery.

So the hope is that once SRK gets a good script that can be seen by families there would be a resurgence in Indian BO.

And yes , agreed, budget and price it's sold to distributors have to be taken into consideration.

I think your points are fair.

Regarding what you like and dislike on the movies I agree and not. Fan for me was a fun madcap and I didn;t minf the OTT ness of the 'fan'. Being honest in US people have don e crazier things when it comes to stars they stan for ( there are man y stalking and threatening cases, people breaking in, pretending they have a relationship with the star... so..for me that part didn't look unfeasible).

For SRK, I never liked him in his negative roles,... ( Be it Bazigar, Daar or Anjaam, Duplicate ..etc .) and I still wonder till date every day of my life,... Why and How Bazigar and Daar could be so successful and he got suddenly a sky-rise after those,... I still cannot digest or justify it to myself,...,.. 'Coz there was nthg new or any spectacular that I'd found in the movie,... Perhaps, I did saw those in VHS tapes on a 19 TV ? I was having the whole series of Kaka and Big B of all of their movies,... in my memory,...And Bazigaar and Daar was just a typical, very time-pass, masala, quite ordinary movies to me,... nthg else,...But next day , here, I woke up,,,... n' ppl were awing and amazing for those movies like, it shook the ground ! On My ! I was like,... " Whatt???" scratching my head, all day,... what was there, that I missed,... ! Did the new generation all of a sudden got JUST born, who never had seen any of the Prakash Mehra, Manmohan Desai, Subhash Ghai's, Yash's whole long past stoical action series,.. of Movies. ? Uh !

btw,...Big B in negative roles was a different story,... Be it,.. Deewar, Trishul, Faraar, agnipath, Parwana, aankhein,...or any,... ! He had his patent, his very own, unmatchable styles,... ! In Deewaar or agniptah or Trishul,... he dies and so does the audience mentally n' cries with him,... despite of his negative role, in those...

IMO, Bazigar and Daar were too much hyped,... No idea how and why it happened?

Also,.. in chipmunk kindaa , weirdo movies,... be it Fan or Zero ( have not seen it yet, is on Einthusan and will jump on it, now ) , where science is used to alter the face, height, Mohra,.. and such,... you never know where the acting starts and where the camera trick starts, and waht is ending where and what u R wating,...No idea,...and to give Credits to which factor, actor or masks and make-up art ? ? Movie Paa was also the same ( hate-worthy ) for me,... I hate such, " twisted actor - face and size and shape,.. " movies, personally. Let science art be good and limited till movies like Mowgli , Avatar and Planet of Apes,... do not apply such masks or alter the size, shape and chahera of a skilled actor, to disguise,... ! Let him act, He can do ,.. and need not a youngie looking plaster of Paris, masks ! It just sounds and seems disgusting,... Do it in Circuses with dwarfs,.. not on Silver screen !

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Originally posted by: flipfl0p

On "Fan", It is not that you have "read about" such people. Do you think, "you" can act like Gaurav? That is what is connection.

Consider Baazigar, Sharukh's character even killed the female lead. But still at the end audience were able to sympathise with Sharukh's character (though they accepted the ending). The movie showed a background for his revenge. People could think "If they were to be in his (character's) shoes, they also would have felt the same".

This is the connection.

Did people feel like that with Gaurav in Fan? (If I were in Gaurav's place...).

Did the people feel like that in Zero? (If I was Bauua, ..). In fact, I heard every one calling Buaa Singh as a chutia. (Very similar to Kabhie Alwida Na Kehena. Even that was flop).

I just want Sharukh to do common man's roles. Not totally pious, righteous. But not obvious chutia.

He can play middle aged husband who wants to try out new ventures (cooking, writing poetry) having no basic knowledge. A women in audience can connect with her mad husband. He can be a petty obsessive(/stalkish) father. Any teenager can feel, he is as much nut case as his own parent.

Some simple story like ... a disoriented family with comedy ... some crisis (like job lay off/ fatal disease) ... (no melodramas) .. . people reconnecting with each other ... winning over crisis ... coming out strong ... back to chaos .. relatable characterisation/situation ... is sufficient.

Originally posted by: Hereiamtoo

Honestly, I think that the most important connect to a movie (book) is through the emotions one personally has while watching the movie. The thinking comes later, I guess, when one tries to describe the own emotions/perceptions/reception.

I still (and always will) think that the biggest obstacle to connect to a movie are expectations which already direct / influence the emotions you bring to the movie.

A trailer is - most often than not - an appetizer which doesn't say really much about the meal that will follow. So, when the trailer of Zero was hyped throughout, I always thought that people should be cautious not to believe that they now have already a feeling for the movie...it is just to stir curiosity and being a pleasure in itself.

I remember what people wrote about the teaser...they had been disappointed. I simply thought "well-made VFX, he seems to play a little guy with a lot of chuzpah...look at all the words they give him to characterize him".

When the trailer came out, I got to know about the magic/fancy angle and Bauua's

equation with Babita and Aafia and - in addition with the songs - I got in awe with the VFX-work. I had known that till then, one had worked with real short people and pasted the face of the actor but I saw that this wasn't the case here. I also sensed the kind of humour I would encounter in the movie.

What I didn't get was that the movie would be a blockbuster (I hate the hyperbolic praise)...one simply can't predict the success of such a 'movie out of the box'.

Yes, I am sad that so many people couldn't "connect" to the movie - for whatever reasons. I could - to every moment, every emotion and to the message(s)... I am even sadder about the way the work done had been (and still is) ridiculised and rejected in a demeaning and gleeful manner (I also hated this behaviour relative to ThugsofHindustan...I think I'll always hate it when one talks about other people's hard work this way - be it movies or anything else).