THE OTHERS - Zero Plot & weak characterization (DT Note pg. 5)

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Posted: 8 years ago
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So after the bombshell from Gul & CVs stunned the forum into silence the fireworks & explosions are back. Posts after posts for & against Advay, for & against Chadni...

Got a Dejavu feeling. Made me nostalgic of the heydays of PRATHAM & the FORUM THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED.

Its the same debates all over again.

ASR is a douche. He is an arrogant SOB. FL is a doormat, an idiot, a shrinking violent, a spineless submissive. The show is regressive. The PH & writers are regressive. They are glorifying domestic abuse. This is an insult to women.

I think what the CVs are showing are wrong at multiple levels. The most important flaw in this entire plot is the whole revenge theme revolving around the perceived wrongdoing of an 8 yr old child 16 years ago. Even in Baazigar SRK does not blame Shipa or Kajol. Instead to him they are just pawns in his game of revenge against their father. This is still wrong but the ML is very clear that by hurting his daughters he is hurting the man who ruined his family. Here if Advay had merely used Chandni as a pawn in his revenge against Indrani & Yash the story would ve made better sense. Instead dumping the entire bulk of the blame on the tiny shoulders of a 8 yr old child is plain ridiculous.

Next is his plan for revenge. What we as audience were dying to see was how the intelligent, volatile Advay pits his brains against the cunning, wily Indrani. How does he bring them to the streets. How does he prove that his parents were innocent. How does he restore their good names. How he proves that its the Vashists who are looting the people's money. How he defames the Vashists & restores the pride of his family name. This is what we all signed up for. But what we got was an ML who is clueless on what he wants or does. Only mumbles poems on Chandni's dhokha. This was a man with no clue, no vision or mission.

The only chant was Chadni yeh Chandni woh. Finally when we get to see his so called revenge on Chandni all that we see is a man child who is still stuck in stone age. He calls her characterless & fallen scarlet woman. Really this is a London return business tycoon who obviously must have dated girls. Still this is his thought process.

Worst is Nani with her THIS IS YOUR HOUSE NOW. And all that emotional blackmail forcing her grandson to live with a woman whom he hates. Doesnt she know that now he will torture that girl inside the 4 walls of his room.

Less said about the baby fiasco the better. Apparently birthing & raising a child is similar to having a pet dog. You play with it for some time, realize u dont ve the time for it so simply dump it in a kennel. WOW just WOW. All the characters in this show simply amaze us. And these are the characters we are supposed to sympathize with.

Are you kidding me. Right now I am not sure if you can find 10 people in a 100 Km radius who ll ve even a teaspoon of empathy/sympathy for any of these characters.

Advay is so 1 dimensional. Chandni knows only to cry buckets. Nani knows only to lecture & do emotional blackmail. All look like caricatures.

How are the CVs expecting us to understand the pain & emotions of these characters if the audience are unable to connect with these characters & dont empathize with them.

Now they have started on a clean slate. We are willing to purge our memories of the past 2 mths. Unlike Advay we dont hold grudges for long periods.

So its time for the CVs to really work hard on the characters & make them more relateable & likeable to the audience. We want to cheer for Chandni while she stands up to Advay. We want to cry with Advay when he thinks of his lost family. We want to be hooked when we watch Indrani & her scheming. We want to love the side characters & not just the leads.

CVs your task is cut out & time is ticking. Neither the audience nor STAR has endless patience. So buck up & bring on ur best game.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The new track has potential
I think they will handle it better
Naani wants good for both of them
But Advay and Chandni both will see each other closely
So they may start to understand each other
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Posted: 8 years ago
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So true they had a plot but don't know how to tell it.This is their second chance hope they do some justice to the story and characters and it z high time now to work on chandani's character,give her some spine now.As of now my sympathies with chandani is zero.I think this pinning whole blame on 8 year old girl didn't work with audience.Gul should have hired writers of ek haseena thi for ipk3 instead she took harneet who is very ordinary writer,she writes less fangirls more.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Bang on !!! .. can't agree more

I have one additional issue with editing, that chuk chuk zooming they do like twice in every minute ... the normal flow of the sceen is disturbed with that,
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Posted: 8 years ago
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did you like the first week of the show?did you like chandni during first week? I avoided this show like a plague during its first week but gave in during the second week...though it is only today that I saw some episodes of first week...the reviews were a bit too harsh imo😆...ok it was a bit ott(like why were there girls dancing in the temple on the song "aaja vey maahi tera rasta") and the bahubali scene was dragged but I liked chandni's characterization then,advay's darkness came out the best in these episodes imo...barun acted well and shivani too(then chandni had reasons to panic/cry so shivani too acted well...now her acting is obviously going to deteriorate if in every scene she has to do "hun hun" without any reason.
If the ratings were supportive they would have continued with the quality,intensity level of first week...I am not a barun/shivrun/shivani fan but even I feel the loss that the original track is gone...because trp audience does not like something new we are deprived of new things too...

So did you like it in first week at least?did you not think chandni had potential?did you think the PH was bad with this dark love story even in the first week?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Lovely to see you back again with your gyan.
Will be back later to see this thread turned into a bashing zone. Come one, come all. Last time, you got upset with me. So this time, I will PM you the names of the members who will post here.

Worm-ins (Vermins)...ATTACK!

😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
#7
If you have so much complaints why do you even watch it still and write thesis on it? Move on!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#8
I hope ppl don't attack you personally and respectfully agree or disagree
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angels11

So after the bombshell from Gul & CVs stunned the forum into silence the fireworks & explosions are back. Posts after posts for & against Advay, for & against Chadni...

Got a Dejavu feeling. Made me nostalgic of the heydays of PRATHAM & the FORUM THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED.

Its the same debates all over again.

ASR is a douche. He is an arrogant SOB. FL is a doormat, an idiot, a shrinking violent, a spineless submissive. The show is regressive. The PH & writers are regressive. They are glorifying domestic abuse. This is an insult to women.

I think what the CVs are showing are wrong at multiple levels. The most important flaw in this entire plot is the whole revenge theme revolving around the perceived wrongdoing of an 8 yr old child 16 years ago. Even in Baazigar SRK does not blame Shipa or Kajol. Instead to him they are just pawns in his game of revenge against their father. This is still wrong but the ML is very clear that by hurting his daughters he is hurting the man who ruined his family. Here if Advay had merely used Chandni as a pawn in his revenge against Indrani & Yash the story would ve made better sense. Instead dumping the entire bulk of the blame on the tiny shoulders of a 8 yr old child is plain ridiculous.

Next is his plan for revenge. What we as audience were dying to see was how the intelligent, volatile Advay pits his brains against the cunning, wily Indrani. How does he bring them to the streets. How does he prove that his parents were innocent. How does he restore their good names. How he proves that its the Vashists who are looting the people's money. How he defames the Vashists & restores the pride of his family name. This is what we all signed up for. But what we got was an ML who is clueless on what he wants or does. Only mumbles poems on Chandni's dhokha. This was a man with no clue, no vision or mission.

The only chant was Chadni yeh Chandni woh. Finally when we get to see his so called revenge on Chandni all that we see is a man child who is still stuck in stone age. He calls her characterless & fallen scarlet woman. Really this is a London return business tycoon who obviously must have dated girls. Still this is his thought process.

Worst is Nani with her THIS IS YOUR HOUSE NOW. And all that emotional blackmail forcing her grandson to live with a woman whom he hates. Doesnt she know that now he will torture that girl inside the 4 walls of his room.

Less said about the baby fiasco the better. Apparently birthing & raising a child is similar to having a pet dog. You play with it for some time, realize u dont ve the time for it so simply dump it in a kennel. WOW just WOW. All the characters in this show simply amaze us. And these are the characters we are supposed to sympathize with.

Are you kidding me. Right now I am not sure if you can find 10 people in a 100 Km radius who ll ve even a teaspoon of empathy/sympathy for any of these characters.

Advay is so 1 dimensional. Chandni knows only to cry buckets. Nani knows only to lecture & do emotional blackmail. All look like caricatures.

How are the CVs expecting us to understand the pain & of these characters if theemotions audience are unable to connect with these characters & dont empathize with them.

Now they have started on a clean slate. We are willing to purge our memories of the past 2 mths. Unlike Advay we dont hold grudges for long periods.

So its time for the CVs to really work hard on the characters & make them more relateable & likeable to the audience. We want to cheer for Chandni while she stands up to Advay. We want to cry with Advay when he thinks of his lost family. We want to be hooked when we watch Indrani & her scheming. We want to love the side characters & not just the leads.

CVs your task is cut out & time is ticking. Neither the audience nor STAR has endless patience. So buck up & bring on ur best game.

@bold, agree with this..Frankly you've hit the nail on the head..My issues with this show in a nutshell...Awesome write up...Thou my reasons for hanging on to the show are purely emotional too...It's SOBTI..SOBTI and SOBTI all the way
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Anu ...Just ignore the attack in between...Just don't respond...


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