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LiveLife321

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Posted: 9 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: ARCH21

😆😆 ok, so I just vented out my anger on Bookworm's note. Phew!
and totally love your positivity and your reason - 'thinking of the reasons why we held on so long' :)

Dev lets Sona go for his mom
becomes obsessive
Dev lets Sona go for Sona
becomes a recluse
hmmm... Ishwari finally starts seeing the changes in him
Sona is engaged, not married...

hahaha... talk about hope!

You are wonderful and today is a good day 😃

So am with you - holding on till the 12th 😃

Happy Ganesh Chaturthi

I know i may be sounding too optimistic after venting out my anger on makers in n number of replies in diff posts on the recent episodes(esp starting from their break-up ep). I feel this engagement is not going to happen and i am hoping for something good this time that they are gonna end this crap(I know i may be sounding silly even after seeing all this damage to their characters). I just want to say that none of their love is flawless, either its Dev or Sona or Ishwari and there is a lot to learn for these 3 people.

Ishwari's love towards Dev is flawed with her ego, pride, priority, mistrust etc then Dev's love towards Ishwari is flawed with indebtedness and guilt. These 2 always tried to portray or prove themselves as perfect son and mother to each other and never ready to accept any change or imperfectness in the other one.

Dev's love for Sona is intense but there is no respect. He disrespected their love, her value in his life & her emotions with the one sided break-up decision without even asking for her opinion. I have serious complaints about makers on this break-up seq execution since they disappointed me & created such a mess very badly. This is not the break-up seq they have promised in their initial promos. There Dev & Sona are classy and here Dev & Sona are messy.

Sona's love for Dev is pure but there is no trust. Yes. I repeat there is no trust. For her, starting from their confession everything is like a dream. Subconsciously she is always carrying the fear of losing him & their relation in her mind. When he said break-up, all her fears came alive before her eyes and out of her anger she said good-bye and ended their relation then and there. Honestly speaking, both are immature there. One took decision out of guilt & other took decision out of anger. That is not the right place or time to decide/conclude such things because none of them were in senses. She should have left him there and he would have come back to her begging for her apology after coming back to his sense. Sometimes your silence is more powerful than your words. This is exactly what you too felt.

If Dev did a mistake by damaging their relation with break-up then Sona is going to commit even bigger mistake by jumping in to marriage with R. This is not any competition where these 2 will prove to each other that who can destroy how many lives. Marriage is not any kids play and rituals are not any fun. It's a life time commitment.

If we say there is no mistake of Sona towards R wrt marriage since she is honest about her break-up then we need to accept that there is no mistake of Dev towards Sona wrt break-up since he was brutally honest about himself. He told her that he is a complicated man & his life is messed up and asked her whether she is ready for this relation in the start itself. Does this mean he gets a right to play with her life and emotions? Two wrongs can never make a right. and now makers need to set so many things right.

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bookworm123

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Posted: 9 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: aadk

Count me in! The promo was far far away from subtlety and simplicity which have been he forte of this serial. Dev has all the masculinity in him to harass Sona and his family, interfere in their lives , dictating and controlling their lives time and again but becomes a totally spineless man when it come to his own mother. All the so-called passion that's oozing out of the promo is totally meaningless if he can't take a stand for himself in front of his own family. He can create a ruckus in Sona' family while making sure his mom is at peace at home. How ridiculous! I so hope the Dev in the engagement is the one who is there after a confrontation with his mommy dear over she having sent Ritvik' alliance to the Bose family.

@ BOLD - WORD

@ PINK - So sorry to disappoint you, that will not happen else show will end in 2 days. I do not want him to go against his mom (as that is not want we need to do with parents who think differently) but grow up and start talking to her, understand her pov and share his own. That is what kids start doing once they hit puberty!

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bookworm123

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Posted: 9 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: Malvika07

I second this. After watching the promo I was like, is this the guy we're rooting for to end up with sona? I mean let's just assume for one second that this happens in real life. And the guy who turns up drunk at a girl's engagement is not shaheer sheikh. But a guy who broke up with a girl and has been spineless ever since and has done no introspection about what went wrong at all, turns up drunk at her engagement and breaks a glass in his hand and claps loudly and basically creates a hell of a scene.. Will this guy ever be redeemed in our eyes? No matter what he or his pyscho mom does?
I really don't know what to feel anymore. As much as I love Dev and Sonakshi together I just don't understand how Dev can ever come back from this. I know I'm being hasty in making judgements before watching the episode, but this is just what I felt after watching the promo.

@ Malvika and ARCH

WORD

Even if they want to drag the serial a bit because it is a daily soap, they cannot abandon common sense. The normal reaction everyone expected from Dev was to at least ponder over all the promises he made and feel extreme remorese but, torn since he sees no way out, at least not initially.

As far as redemption is concerned, since they have so many episodes, the recency effect will win us over to some extent if they have a well written track BUT in my experience once the flow of questionable quality episodes start, they rarely end.

P.S. - I am typing as I am watching today's episode Atleast today's Dev seems somewhat restrained and we have been spared the ma bhakt. I do not expect him to go against her as that is not what we need to do with parents who think differently but atleast learn how to navigate relationships such that everyone understands each other's povs. It is no fun doing that in real life as it is a painstaking and iterative process but most of us have to do it at some point to ensure harmony among our loved ones. If his need to be with her is strong, it is disappointing that he resorts to stalking (jealousy is fine) but no introspection. He does not even wonder why his mom does not like Sona or ask Mamaji!

P.S 2 - I liked Ritwik in today's episode. I liked his question to Dev at the end - such tall claims about love, why don't you get married to her? Given that all the characters are saying what we are feeling - Bijoy, Ritwik, Sonakshi etc. we get the feeling that makers are thinking along the same lines but my complaint is that it still does not make dev's current behaviour palatable. It is like they are doing it out of some perverse desire to upset us. I actually liked her insulting him on Friday with that emotionless tone she was putting on because she was guarding her poor heart.

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bookworm123

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Posted: 9 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: ARCH21

Am back with you with the rest of my anger 😃

😃.

What Dev, Sonakshi, Ishwari, Ritwik or any of the other characters do is none of my concern now as these are fictional characters. The characterization, actions, reactions are being scripted by the writers this show employs. They are using the power of their pen to weave a story they want to tell...
So they start with a very familiar premise - Couple cant be together because mother doesn't approve. As they plant the characters, they paint the ground with colors of realism. Realism, Subtlety and a mature love story is what they want to build and they send out teasers to convey the same. We are hooked!

6 months on; the initial promos with a restrained Dev & strong Sonakshi have turned into a Dev that is a mixture of SRK from Darr/Anjaam/Devdas and Sonakshi is of course doing what she is doing - for family. Very much Paro to this Devdas of the TV screen.

So Dev says, 'History has seen many Devdas but Dev Dixit nahi dekha'. Right. So while SRK of Devdas went to Paro in privacy, this Dev Dixit stands in front of his Paro in full public view. That SRK asks Paro not to marry and Paro tells him, 'its too late, she's doing it for family'.
This TV screen Dev transforms from SRK characters to Suniel Shetty from Dhadkan (as Malvika rightly said earlier) and in front of the couple, families & society congratulates his Ms. Bose!
Of course, he can't do anything else, he doesn't have his mom's permission for that !
What is this drama for then? and Why is the promo getting praised? I am sure missing something here...

You, me and many others I am sure. As I was saying in response to Malvika's post on the same thread, he does not have to go against his mom. He has to actually do something tougher - try to work on their relationship sch that they see each other's pov and bring in harmony into his family life. It is an iterative process and takes time to deliver results but all of us have to do that at some point in our lives. Isn't that what this show was about? Even if he does not see how he can do that right now, he has to at least take the first step of feeling remorse thinking over all his promises, wonder what went wrong etc.

He does none of that but creates a scene in her engagement. What is this deewangi? Has he not shown enough of it? I don't want to jump the gun but if they plan to start a new phase in which Dev becomes Dev Dixit of old and angry even with Sonakshi just so they can show their tashan all over again, that is so so unfair to Sona's character.

I bought what they sold me. Praised it. But after they made the sale, they decided to change the product completely. Changes that are diametrically opposed to what they promised. They proudly tell me now that the product is fantastic - what's coming is greater.
It very well might be but this is not what I bought!

I guess that's why their characters are so adept at breaking promises left, right & center!

Thank God I didn't pay money for this. I would have felt very cheated but now I have the remote. Thank God for small mercies!

Ok! anger vented out... Phew! 😳

Your analogy is great. I will share one of my own because I was thinking about it today.
I can compare the show to a caterer/restaurant that was specializing in healthy home cooked yummy food. While it may seem like a simple concept all of us know there are many many takers for tasty but healthy home cooked food served more appealingly that actual home cooked food.

The restaurant becomes very very popular for this fare and customer base shoots up. The owner feels that the menu is too simple and it must be dressed up to justify the popularity. So they start serving the rich food that is found in every second restaurant. The original clientele for whom the wholesome fare served in an attractive format was a rarity starts looking for other options. Whether they succeed in holding on to the new customers is questionable given there are many others who offer similar food..

Given how desi tv is I try not to build expectations but...

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ARCH21

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Posted: 9 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: bookworm123

Your analogy perfectly captures the situation. I guess the TRP now is 0.3.

The makers had started with a unique proposition even if the basic premise was not new. No one wanted absolute originality but definitely wanted someone in the TV world to respect the intelligence of the audience and make something that makes sense.

They started right. We praised them. They would have done better by focusing on exceling in the niche they were carving but somewhere arrogance seems to have set in. For me, the tweets say a lot. They seem to say that we know what we are doing and we are great at it. We know you are watching and you will continue to do so.

Sony gets low Trps but a 0.5 to 0.7 to 0.3 is bad news.

Sony ranks No.9 in Urban + Rural segments & No.6 in Urban.

But while there is one show from Sony in Top 5 Indian shows. This show doesn't make it even in Top 20.

Show Producer + Channel -

Define your target segment and make a story that speaks to this audience consistently.

Your fantastic set of actors will get you online viewers as they are definitely worth watching but its your story that will take you far in the business world... This is not a web series, its TV.

If you cant beat a Kumkum Bhagya, carve your own niche.

When you cant do either, don't be arrogant.

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Curlyhairdiary

@Curlyhairdiary

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Posted: 9 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: bookworm123

@ Malvika and ARCH

WORD

Even if they want to drag the serial a bit because it is a daily soap, they cannot abandon common sense. The normal reaction everyone expected from Dev was to at least ponder over all the promises he made and feel extreme remorese but, torn since he sees no way out, at least not initially.

As far as redemption is concerned, since they have so many episodes, the recency effect will win us over to some extent if they have a well written track BUT in my experience once the flow of questionable quality episodes start, they rarely end.

P.S. - I am typing as I am watching today's episode Atleast today's Dev seems somewhat restrained and we have been spared the ma bhakt. I do not expect him to go against her as that is not what we need to do with parents who think differently but atleast learn how to navigate relationships such that everyone understands each other's povs. It is no fun doing that in real life as it is a painstaking and iterative process but most of us have to do it at some point to ensure harmony among our loved ones. If his need to be with her is strong, it is disappointing that he resorts to stalking (jealousy is fine) but no introspection. He does not even wonder why his mom does not like Sona or ask Mamaji!

P.S 2 - I liked Ritwik in today's episode. I liked his question to Dev at the end - such tall claims about love, why don't you get married to her? Given that all the characters are saying what we are feeling - Bijoy, Ritwik, Sonakshi etc. we get the feeling that makers are thinking along the same lines but my complaint is that it still does not make dev's current behaviour palatable. It is like they are doing it out of some perverse desire to upset us. I actually liked her insulting him on Friday with that emotionless tone she was putting on because she was guarding her poor heart.

Sorry for the late reply!

Just saw yesterday's episode. I echo your sentiment, as I knew I probably would.

This Dev I can tolerate. His behaviour didn't really appear that bad to me. He behaved in a way a typical jealous ex with a lot of power and money would be expected to behave. His crisp and sarcastic taunts were refreshing to watch. Gave me a break from his breaking things and the same old record of you can't do this to me.

This way, at least he's giving a clear hint that he knows her better than she gives him credit for.

I like how they are clearly stating that Sonakshi is engaging in a rebound relationship. And turning that rebound relationship into marriage would surely prove disastrous for all the parties involved. She's affected by his presence and the dance was proof of the amazing chemistry Shaheer and Erica have. I was reminded of the dance sequence in the initial episodes and how we could feel fireworks when there wasn't even anything going on, whereas this dance felt platonic at best and awkward at worst.

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