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Posted: 9 years ago
Amrita_12 wrote:

Oh my God! Yes! I am finally meeting someone who has noticed this.
Barun did take a few months to set the character. Not only the voice modulation, even his stares and glares very not the ASR ones in the beginning. But once he did, there was no looking back.

Yes, I suppose it takes time to sink into a role, to 'own' the character. I felt that Ms Irani's voice was higher, more 'young' in the first 5-6 episodes. In the post-production interview with Ms Gul Khan, she spoke of the stress of this early period, of finding the character within her.


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: JalebiJane

Amrita_12 wrote:

Oh my God! Yes! I am finally meeting someone who has noticed this.
Barun did take a few months to set the character. Not only the voice modulation, even his stares and glares very not the ASR ones in the beginning. But once he did, there was no looking back.

Yes, I suppose it takes time to sink into a role, to 'own' the character. I felt that Ms Irani's voice was higher, more 'young' in the first 5-6 episodes. In the post-production interview with Ms Gul Khan, she spoke of the stress of this early period, of finding the character within her.



One thing though he did well as an amateur ASR in early months ... Was to use lesser amount of hair gel. I was eternally happy for that until the last most epis. Probably finished multiple containers in a day.
Edited by MoonBow. - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Maya,

I look forward to your analysis everyday after I come home, I enjoy them immensely yet I really don't have enough time to contribute to this wonderful discussions, I might soon if I get some time during my tiring days.

Moonbow, Maya, N, Anu and others - I love reading your thoughts and perspectives, it was like living IPKKND all over again, the details and everything else - I didn't get to be part of IPKKND journey with others when it was on air but this somehow makes up for it.




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Posted: 9 years ago

IPKKND Nostalgia: Episode 009

Mami, the Saboteur

(Bear with me, Sisters, as I take you down a long path to make a brief point.)

For three days every autumn, members of JASNA (Jane Austen of North America) gather to speak on a particular Jane-topic. This year, the theme is the novel -Emma-. Appropriately. For Emma recently celebrated her 200th birthday. I've been reading a bit of -Emma- at bedtime, just after I enjoy my day's rationing of Khushi. And I want to share an observation about these two heroines.

Austen's novel begins with this description: "Emma Woodhouse, handsome, clever, and rich, with a comfortable home and happy disposition, seemed to unite some of the best blessings of existence; and had lived nearly twenty-one years in the world with very little to distress or vex her." No, that is not exactly Khushi's experience of life. Except for the handsome-clever-happy disposition bit. But as the novel progresses, we notice that though we love Emma, we don't always approve of her. We love Emma because she is bright, witty and charming. But she is also officious and over-zealous. Of course, always with the best of intentions, but nevertheless, intrusive. Sound familiar? History tells us that when Austen began planning this eponymous novel, she wrote, "I am going to take a heroine whom no one but myself will much like."

1. My point is this: it takes a very skilled writer to make us sympathetic to a character who is so often the instrument of her own misery. However well-meaning, in this episode we can understand Buaji's anger and Payal's frustration with Khushi. You know I am devoted to Khushi but she does exasperate at times. (One of my favourite themes to explore in IPKKND-inspired fiction is Arnav in the role of Khushi's mentor. Yes, I agree that Khushi brings much to Arnav's quality of life, but I strongly believe that Arnav has more to teach her than she him.)

2. In this episode, Mami sabotaged Khushi's promising sale because she believed that Khushi understood her to be a servant at Shantivan. Well, I'm not sure what Khushi's belief was, but had Khushi not imposed herself on Mami, then there would be no Phatti-Saree nonsense. I watched the scene twice. Mami is at the bottom of the stairs minding her own business. Khushi elated from her success, assumes Mami is searching for Lakshmi and puts herself forward with unwarranted advice. This is dramatic fiction, so Khushi must behave this way for us to have a story to watch, but in reality, this conduct in a home where one is not even a guest---but a vendor---is inappropriate. And inpolitic too. Had she left Mami alone, Mami might have left Khushi alone.

3. Okay. I've been too critical of Khushi today. But I adore her, which is why I must also discuss her faults. Much like Mr Knightley, when he corrects Emma at Box Hill. He says, "I must once more speak to you as I have been used to do: a privilege rather endured than allowed, perhaps, but I must still use it. I cannot see you acting wrong, without a remonstrance."

4. Oh, but didn't we all love Khushi in that moment when she hears Nani and Anjali mention the name Arnav. Gulp. Oh, Chotte. Relief. Chottu. Whew! In fact I found myself smiling throughout most of this episode. Her "Rukh jao, Arnav Singh Raizada!" dream was Hilarious. Her confrontational language. Her raining countless money notes over Arnav's head. Such a gratifying dream. Payal has the best line: "So now he's entered your dreams as well." Indeed.

5. I didn't always appreciate Payal but in these early episodes I enjoy her characterization. She is a perfect foil to Khushi's whackiness. Especially wonderful in the scene after Shyam requests a meeting with Khushi. I love how she baulks at the prospect of meeting a stranger in this large metropolis. Khushi's reply is brilliant.

JalebiJane


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: JalebiJane

Amrita_12 wrote:

Oh my God! Yes! I am finally meeting someone who has noticed this.
Barun did take a few months to set the character. Not only the voice modulation, even his stares and glares very not the ASR ones in the beginning. But once he did, there was no looking back.

Yes, I suppose it takes time to sink into a role, to 'own' the character. I felt that Ms Irani's voice was higher, more 'young' in the first 5-6 episodes. In the post-production interview with Ms Gul Khan, she spoke of the stress of this early period, of finding the character within her.



Yes, you are correct. Even Khushi's character wasn't completely set by then.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: MoonBow.


One thing though he did well as an amateur ASR in early months ... Was to use lesser amount of hair gel. I was eternally happy for that until the last most epis. Probably finished multiple containers in a day.


I believe he had started using Aamla ke tel by then. His brown hair had started looking blackish. Aamla ka tel is the only explanation for this if you ask me. It also explains why his face used to look so oily around that time.
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Posted: 9 years ago


Loved it Maya! Middle of the work day but cannot resist dashing off a few thoughts for Khushi Kumari Gupta. yes, she is an interfering busybody at the best of times. Another time that gets her into trouble is when Aakash and Payal are arguing post the kidnapping track about why they kept him in the dark. Khushi had to say her two bits in defense of her sister, instead of leaving husband and wife to resolve this issue on their own. So yes, a little less interference from her side would have garnered her the deal, rendered Mami more favourably disposed towards her, not gained her the epithet of Phatti Saadi for life hat irritates all her fans no end, and in general led to greater bonhomie.

But having said that, minus all that we would not have a show to watch either! So like Emma, and I love those references, Maya, Khushi too must learn through all her mistakes and falls to make a niche of her own in the world. Yes, Arnav teaches her...she definitely changes over time, not always with desired results. But, one could always imagine that in a lifetime together he would have helped transform Khushi Kumari Gupta Singh Raizada into a formidable opponent and competent professional, just as she would have ensured he was a more caring and thoughtful husband and boss. Khushi's dream of settling Arnav's debt and putting him in his place never really materializes, and sadly she only gets more indebted to him over time,...but yes, she puts him in place in other ways. Possibly the only facet of the characters of Arnav and Khushi that remained unchanged from the start to finish of IPKKND is their attitude to money. I remember the second Diwali scene and their fight at the time when I say this. Arnav always took his role as family bread winner too seriously and the authority it gave him. He really did not think Khushi was competent enough to take charge of her financial destiny. Of course when he found she was threatening to get annoyed and do something extreme, he decides to backtrack and offers her a head designer role in an ancillary AR unit, designing wedding dresses. Not because he is convinced, I think, but just to keep Mrs Raizada's smile intact, that is very dear to him! Anyway...that is the discussion for another day!

Good one, girl.

Best,

Anu
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Posted: 9 years ago
Hi Maya
A beautiful comparison drawn from Emma, I loved it. And I love Khushi and Emma too not because of anything else but because of their foolhardy actions at times and their flaws. We are all human and all flawed, ASR was also flawed. But i like it when people KNOW that they lack n need to change rather than those who just quip about it n not change. I am flawed too and I can my life on the fact that I am way better than those arrogant and egoistic souls who feel there is nothing that needs a change in them 😉

Anyway this epi was kind of a filler for me, it did set the stage for the next Arhi meet and I loved the small family interactions that were showed but yet I felt there was something missing. Probably an Arhi meet would have just been perfect 😛

Nevertheless I enjoyed everyone'e take on it.

@Anu 😭😭 Do not remind me of the second Diwali argument Arhi had. I felt daggers twisting in my heart because of what Arnav said. I am a feminist and I hated how he treated her 🤢 The post Arav episodes, with all due respect to Arav 😆, of IPK were something I would never go back to watching. Dont have the heart to sit through the trauma I tel you. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
Amrita_12 wrote:

Whenever I see this episode, I am like Man this Abhaas was so good looking. Wish he hadn't bulked up so much.

I agree, Amrita----I find him quite attractive in these early episodes. And charming too. It'll be interesting to see when that begins to shift for me.

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Posted: 9 years ago
Amrita_12 wrote:

Think they played one of the most convincing looking brother-sister duo. They were believable. Another I think which added to this sense of genuineness is their face cut which is very similar.)


Yes, I agree. A young friend mentioned that the Anjali-Arnav relatonship made her long for a brother like Arnav. In today's Episode 009, I love that moment at the table when Arnav is teasing Anjali and Nani tells him that he could not do without Anjali for a day. Anjali gives a smug smile. And he does not refute Nani's words because they are true.
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