How much do we trust Hakim Mirza?

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Friends, the episode yesterday was a filler showing readiness now for war. Most especially, Jalal is now ready for war. There were three main topics that I thought surfaced in the episode yesterday ... but before I go to the topics of focus let me make a small remark on the montage of the serial that has changed as well.

They are now already showing Jalal and Jodha releasing doves in the Angoori Bagh, and as Diksha says, doves are a symbol of peace. So overall, even though there is a war going on, the ultimate message seems to be that of peace and happiness with no misunderstandings between Jodha and Jalal, even if, as one spoiler says Jodha may have to hide her pregnancy from Jalal during the days of the war, and we don't know what Ruq will do when she gets to know of Jodha's pregnancy as well.

I think the overall mood of the immediately forthcoming episodes will be pleasant ... so Ruq may actually help Jodha (see my prediction below about Ruq's ambivalence). There is also this second spoiler that says Jalal after knowing of Jodha's pregnancy may commission Tansen to come and sing and fill the palace with music to keep Jodha and her baby happy.

So whatever happens with Ruq, Jodha and Jalal, I feel pretty sure that there is going to be no immediate MU or MC caused by Ruq.

Now coming to the three main topics of focus of yesterday's episode ...

ONE: THE REASON WHY JALAL DECLARED WAR WAS NOT JODHA OR RUQ ... IT WAS HAMIDA!

When we saw the Friday episode, we thought Jodha's words to Jalal and then Ruq's words to Jalal made him change his mind in the precap and express his readiness for war. But when we saw the actual scene itself in the episode yesterday, we realised that there was a third stronger reason for Jalal joining the war - and that was because his mother spoke on behalf of everyone to him that Nigar was being backed by none other than Begum Mahchuchak! That seemed to make Jalal extremely surprised and annoyed. Further his mother explained that what Begum Mahchuchak had done was no less that "bhagawat" against the Sultanate. Jalal just boiled over and declared, I can put up with a lot but if my stepmother and my sister think they can hoodwink me, they have MY SHAMSHEER TO ANSWER!"

TWO: THERE WAS THE INTERESTING DILEMMA OF HAKIM MIRZA ... WHAT DID HE WANT TO DO?

All the while that this DEK scene was happening, Hakim Mirza was shown squirming with extreme uneasiness. In fact if I look at the episode overall yesterday, it looked it was mostly about Hakim Mirza. There were three instances when his name - or he - surfaced as the object of a question mark.

First, when Atga and Todarmal apprised Hamida of the fact that Begum Mahchuchak had given her army's support to Nigar, Hamida mentioned how this Kabul-based begum was a blot on the memory of Humayun, and despite her son being ever so loving, she had nothing but hatred against both Hamida and Jalal. Subsequently, in the DEK, Hamida told Jalal that Nigar was supported by Mahchuchak, and we saw Hakim Mirza looking very uneasy and displaying some very uncomfortable body language.

Later, the second mention of Hakim Mirza came when Jodha and Salima were sitting in the Angoori Bagh. Both of them were exclaiming at how difficult it must be for Hakim Mirza to handle this situation when his mother was waging war on Jalal on one side, and how Hakim's own loyalties were towards the brother he loved and respected, Jalal! At that moment Jalal himself came to the Angoori Bagh, although he didn't have too much time to spare. Jalal told Jodha that Hakim's choices of warring with his own mother were heavy indeed to make. Jodha reminded Jalal that he too was in the same situation of having to war his mother and sister, but Jalal said "I have no choice I have to bear it as the Shahenshah, but Hakim has to do it from choice."

In the war planning room, as preparations were going on in earnest between Jalal, Todarmal, there was a third instance of Hakim Mirza entering the focus of our vision. Jalal was fully into war preparations when they actually found that they were far shorter in manpower than the enemy. At that moment Hakim Mirza walked in, a bit hesistant whether Jalal would deem him a fit person to include in his army. At first there looked to be some hesitation in Todarmal and Atga about Hakim being likely to join their ranks, but Jalal seemed to not show his own misgivings, if there were any. At any rate Hakim Mirza then said very simply and as honestly as he could "I want to be one of your loyalists, Jalal, and fight for you, even if it's against my mother. What my mother is doing is not right." Todarmal then said "Having Hakim on our side can be useful" and so it happened that Hakim was drafted in not just as an extra hand at war but because he could be "useful" as well by having some knowledge of his mother's tactics and martial strengths as well.

THREE: WHAT TO DO WITH THE LADIES ... THE SOLUTION SEEMS IMPORTANT TO THE STORY

Apart from Hakim Mirza being one of the important aspects of yesterday's episode, the issue of what to do with the ladies was a very interesting topic that seems to have an effect on how the story may proceed even after the war..

We first had a glimpse of Adham and his mother Maham discussing whether Adham should fight in the war or not. He was not inclined to because he hated Jalal and didn't want to lift a sword on his behalf in the war and risk his own life. Maham then tells him, "A few people will surely be stationed to guard the palace, so I'll try to see that you are one of them and you don't have to go into the battlefield yourself." Maham was counting on the harem and other parts of the palace needing also to be fortified with some sipahis for their protection.

But later as it happened, Jalal discussed this question of what to do with the harem, and he made up his mind to take the harem ladies with the troops rather than leave them behind in the palace. Hamida, when she heard of this plan remarked that the women would be safer in the palace, woudn't they? But Jalal had a very valid argument. He said "Nigar has been here in the harem for so long that she knows the ins and outs of this place like the back of her hand. There is every chance that while we are all in battle, she will find it easy to take hostage of our women if she knows the palace and harem very well. No, the ladies are safer coming with us than staying behind."

Jalal then assembles the ladies together and apprises them of this plan ... and puts Maham in charge of ferrying the ladies with the troops, perhaps as a group following the soldiers who ride on ahead. Maham gnashes her teeth as her plans for Adham are going for a toss again. Now there would be no need for any palace fortification duty and he'd have to brandish his word in war!

Two important things seemed attached to this decision of Jalal's to take the ladies with him. The storyline may see the following development I feel...

See, the men are all talking a lot about their troops being in lesser numbers than Mahchuchak. Doubtless, the Amer boys will come now and try to swell the ranks of Jalal with their own troops. But even so I feel that if Jalal finds himself short of soldiers, Salima and Ruq and Jodha may have to be drafted in to do their bit of fighting too, at least against Nigar?

At this stage we find in the precap, that the lady hakim declares to Jodha that she is pregnant. Naturally if Jodha knows on the eve of their departure to the battlefield that she is pregnant, she is going to have a big personal dilemma as to when to tell the good news to Jalal. Even yesterday Jalal looked rather distracted the whole day and when Jodha did his aarti and the shamsheer puja and raised war songs for him with her Hindu bandhis, he still looked sombre and preoccupied. Many things must be on the mind of a Shahenshah making last minute preparations for war with a troop far smaller than he would have liked. I am not surprised therefore that the spoilers yesterday said Jodha would decide to tell Jalal about the pregnancy only after the war so as not to distract him.

The spoiler also says that Ruq gets to know this secret of Jodha's and the spoiler asks whether Ruq will betray or help Jodha. I think Ruq owes one favour to Jodha as she had said once in her own words. So my own hunch is that when the time comes for the ladies who know fighting to also perhaps join the war and add their might to the army, Salima will go readily and so will Ruq, but Ruq will ensure that Jodha doesn't go. (That could account for the fact that pictures have come out that show Salima and Ruq in war dress, but not Jodha?)

Nevertheless, I am not sure what to expect here, because very much earlier some spoilers had said that Jalal would refuse to fight Nigar, and therefore Jodha would fight her and win her. Maybe that was the original storyline, but since the Creatives have now decided to introduce this Jodha pregnancy earlier than they planned (as a boost for sliding TRPs), maybe the plan now is that Ruq and Salima will fight but not Jodha?

Regarding Ruq's own ambivalent attitude towards Jodha, I think she will blow hot and cold

I feel that at this stage Ruq may actually be quite friendly to Jodha since the child she may be carrying is actually Jalal's child! So she may actually be protective of Jodha and see that she does not enter the war and risk losing the child. But later, after the war, when Ruq sees Jalal giving Jodha so much attention (like engaging Tansen to sing sweet songs for Jodha etc.), that is when Ruq will start having active jealousies at Jodha and may even try to disrupt her pregnancy ... and this may get Ruq caught and punished especially if Maham knows exactly what Ruq is up to.

Apart from all this there were two scenes that I found particularly funny yesterday ...

One, the way Mahchuchak despatched Haider out of the room when she wanted to talk to Nigar and Abul Mali ... and poor Haider (her husband!) had to walk out with his tail between his legs like a scolded puppy dog!

Two, Maham still telling Adham, "Whether Jalal wins the war or not, we are sure to win our ambitions." Haha! On what is she basing this presumption, God knows. Is it because she thinks Chand Begum is in her grasp in the surang next to her bedroom? Has she checked the surang lately? It's my feeling that Chand Begum may have escaped the surang.

Or there's another possibility. ... what is Maham going to do with Chand Begum when the palace has to be vacated of all the ladies there and all of them have to go to the battlefield? I think Chand Begum will also be taken by Maham by disguising her under a chaaddar, and kept hidden from view of the other ladies. But at the battlefield when Nigar is caught as a prisoner, Chand Begum may lose her chaaddar and her pretend-madness and do a bhandaphod of Maham and tell Nigar a few home truths about Jalal being for and not against her, which may make Nigar want to stop the war! If this is likely to happen, I would enjoy the scene very much indeed!

Accha, for those who want a quick gist of the whole episode as it happened, here it is!

The episode opens with Hamida praying for wisdom for Jalal to choose the right path as the Shahenshah who has the protection of his praja in mind. Just then Atga and Todarmal come in and request Hamida's attention. She is startled to see them both so early in the morning. Atga and Todarmal then say that they have found out who is supporting Nigar in this war - it is none other than Begum Mahchuchak! Hamida gets a major shock on hearing this. "I know this woman hates both me and Jalal, " she says "but I never thought she would do this "bhagawat" against the Sultanate. She is a blot on the memory of Humayun!". Todarmal and Atga tell Hamida "Jalal is already showing reluctance to engage in this war against his own sister. But we need your help to tell him to please fight this war, as the issues are too risky now for Jalal's takht if Mahchuchak is behind all this lending her support to Nigar!" Hamida agrees to help.

Later at the DEK, Jalal asks why his mother summoned him to the DEK if she wanted to talk to him alone? Hamida says "I called you here to tell you what I know because I wanted to address you as the Shahenshah and not as my son. The person you have to fight really, the hand behind Nigar, is Begum Mahchuchak, who is sending her armies and acting as the bhaagi here!" Hearing this makes Hakim Mirza squirm uneasily, his whole body and face contorting with discomfort. But meanwhile Jalal looks aghast. If Jodha and Ruq's words were not already acting on him, Hamida's words this morning seals it. He declares with menace "I normally would not put my people at risk of war, but if my own Ammijaan and my sister think they can cross me, THEN MY SHAMSHEER WIL SHOW THEM THEIR PLACE". He almost shouts the last of his words and there is no doubt in anyone that Jalal has declared war! Cries of "Akbar Zindabad!" rise in the DEK, and Jodha looks happy at his decision.

Meanwhile at Kabul, Nigar and Abul mali have come to visit Mahchuchak. To my utter surprise, Mahchuchak then tells her husband Haider to vanish as she wants to speak to Nigar alone. He goes off, seething under the obvious disrespect! Then Mahchuchak congratulates Nigar that she would soon own the Delhi and Agra takhts. She shows Nigar a lot of dripping blood everywhere saying "This is what we do to our enemies!". She then bids Nigar to rest till the next day when they would have to leave for war, and tells Abul Mali that his wife (and her daughter) is waiting for him! After Nigar leaves the room, Mahchuchak self-talks about double-crossing Nigar and taking Jalal's takht for herself!

At Agra, meanwhile, Adham is whining to his mother that he does not want to risk his life and go to war for Jalal, whom he hates. His mother sees his point as she too doesn't want to lose her son to war when they are so close to getting the Delhi takht! "I will see that you are posted as one of the protectors of the palace" she promised. She also licks her lips that no matter whether Jalal lost or won the war, with the trump card Chand Begum in her hands, she and her son would always win their hand!

Jodha and Salima are later sitting in the Angoori bagh and discussing the strange and vexing dilemma that Mirza Hakim must be having, since his own mother was on the other side of the battle. Jalal joins the ladies there but says he doesn't have time for a long chat as he is in the midst of war preparations. But he says "I know Hakim must be going through hell. He is very loyal and loving to me as a brother, and I trust him. But this choice can't be easy." Jodha tells Jalal "But you too are fighting your own mother and sister, aren't you? You too are making the same choice!" Jalal replies "Yes, but I really have no choice for I am the Shahenshah, but Hakim has to make that choice of his own volition!"

In the war planning room, a little later, Jalal, Atga and Todarmal are in deep discussion about their own positions, the enemy positions and the relative strengths they have of troops at their disposal. "We have less troops" Atga says, but Jalal counters "Yes, but it's not the numbers of troops that matter but their fighting smarts." Just then Hakim Mirza walks into the room and says to Jalal "I know that my mother being a bhaagi puts a question mark against me too. But I sincerely want to fight for you Shahenshah, for what my mother is doing is not right!" Todarmal sees the additional merit in taking him on not just as an extra hand in the fight but because having Hakim would be "useful" as he would know the enemy strategies, perhaps. So all in all, Jalal praises Hakim's wafaadaari and says he had no reservations on that score!

While they are thus talking, Jalal also comes to the question of what to do with the harem ladies. He then decides that they should go with the troops and not stay back in the palace. Todarmal questions this decision on account of the risks to the ladies' safety at the battlefront, but Jalal says "Think of this. Nigar knows every inch of the palace and the harem. How safe would they all be here if we leave them behind and Nigar could play havoc with them while we are engaged in war? No, it's better they all come with us!" Todarmal and Atga have to agree.

Jalal also apprises his mother of the same point when he subsequently assembles all the ladies together to tell them that they had better be ready to move immediately. He then looks at Maham and addresses her as "Mahamanga" and says "You will be in charge of leading the ladies behind our troops." Maham accepts but with a gnash of her teeth. Her plans to get Adham posted at the palace as a non-fighting sipahi go for a toss.

As the time for war draws near, Jalal is seen getting dressed. His mood is sombre, his mind is on many different things, no doubt, and he greets Jodha who enters the room with less than full attention. Jodha is carrying an aarti tray and prasad. She gave him some prasad and says she still has to do the "asthra puja" for him. He silently bows his head and accepts her puja. Along with Jodha are all the Hindu bandhis who all then break into a war song of "valour and invincibility and God's blessings upon Jalal" as Jodha does the aarti for Jalal and also for his shamsheer. She then lifts his shamsheer and gives it to him, which he takes with utmost respect. It is by no means a sentimental scene between husband and wife ... but then he is a fighter, a warrior, and she is the daughter of the Rajvanshi tradition of valour. War-readiness must have been uppermost in both minds and sentiment would have to wait for another day!

In the precap, Jodha is seen lying on a bed and a lady hakim examining her says "Congrats, you are to be a mother". Jodha is filled with happiness as is Moti too! I suspect this scene takes place just after the men have left and the women are getting ready to depart as well.

Meanwhile a lot of new pictures are beginning to appear on the forum. I just saw one of Jodha in Mughal livas. I suspect all these are of the current shooting taking place of Tansen and the palace atmosphere of lightness and cheer after the war, maybe even Jodha's godbharayi?

It's a bit confusing what spoilers are part of the war and what are after the war. Let's wait and see!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice analysis Mansi. Will Ruks ever be punished. do u think she will later do something to Jo's baby. If Maham has to expose Ruks it has to happen soon right. even before the Jashan because CB is going to be found soon and Maham will be exposed. if this is the case then RUks truth should come out as well.

To me now it looks like Ruks will never be exposed..how sad
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Basically in article anywhere it wasn't written ruq would 1st get to know abt jo's pregnancy. It has asked just 2 questions 1 is- what will happen to jo,when ruq gets to know this news? 2nd is-will ruq plan against jodha? If Jodha's participation in war isn't happened or ruq helps her not to go in war then wl it not normally question raise why isn't Jodha participating to everyone then automatically the real reason wl b divulged before Ja even before war ending. N the bottom of line is i can't believe in this type of situation ruq wl help her. I have no a little faith on ruq. Ruq listened Jo's advice to convince for doing war,behind the reason of it was the mughal saltana's respect as ruq is a respective member of mughal clan.
Nice analysis.
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Brilliant analysis Mansi. By now, you must have earned a few doctorates in JA studies. In any event, here is an honorary one from us. :)

The series has certainly picked up and I applaud the producers for finally listening to the audience feedback. However, so much damage was already done that it may take some time to repair. I found it interesting that although we have begun to like recent episodes, sudden changes have also produces discontinuities. Moreover, the forum is still yawning and lacks the electricity it had a few months ago.

A few days ago I fully expected Jalal to have an "Arjun moment" and he did. However, while I had expected Jodha to deliver a Gita like pravachan to him, that role was eventually given to Jodha, Ruq, and HB collectively. In retrospect, it was a good solution.

Jalal's decision to take the harem with him is more brilliant than he can possibly appreciate at present. :) After years of hiding CB first in the surang and now in the palace itself, MA will be forced to take her with the rest of the harem. She can try a few more tricks, but the writing is on the wall. We can hear the rumbling drum roll of time. I too have no idea just what this trump card is that MA keeps talking about, something that will force Jalal to hand over Delhi to AK. We'll see, but delusional thinking would not be a bad guess.

The war environment, besides helping CB get discovered, may play yet another crucial role here. Remember that it was in the confusion and fog of an earlier war that CB lost her daughter and her world fell apart. Could it be that finding herself in the middle of another war will traumatize her enough which, along with Gwalior hakim's treatment she has already received, can bring back her memories?

Re MH, I also don't know. Even if he is not already a grey agent, we can certainly appreciate and sympathize that he is in a genuinely difficult emotional situation. It would be good if he and Jalal had a heart to heart talk on how to handle this. IMO it should be agreed that MH will not directly fight his mother, but others who have come to help her. Fortunately, there is no lack of bad guys here. :) Similarly, to avoid emotional conflicts and burdens, he will not receive any confidential military information. Of course I don't know if the events will actually go this way.


Edited by AKT.JA - 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi,
Very nice post .Well the new montage is very good and it talks about peace amidst war.It reminded me of many pictures, I have seen of Pandit Nehru flying doves for signifying peace.We all know both Jajo want peace,so doves idea was good.
I liked HB yesterday.She behaved like a true queen.See she knew that Mahac never liked her from first and Mahac always wanted takth. So she is practical woman and she has taken Mahac the way she is and never went to sudhrofy her.This kind of practicality Jo should also learn from her MIL.She has to accept that some people won't change and we have to be aware of that.This thing she has to keep in mind while dealing with people like Shenu,Ruku etc.
Yes,Jalal's DEK performance was awesome.He gave us the message,"I am back."The warrior is ready to cut all those who gonna harm his people.How we missed him.
Well ,I doubt Hakim Mirza.I think he is planted there by his very own mother so that she comes to know about the inside stories of Agra.I had discussion about this with Jaya on her thread and she told me Hakim was positive initially. Lets see ,how he changes color.Maybe somebody would cause misunderstanding between him and Jalal later on.
Well as Jodha entering the war,I had already doubted that on Ela's thread as I never saw her pics in war dress.I am totally disappointed as She was a warrior and she fighting the war would have been a sight to see.But this pregnancy! Still she can fight,I feel as it is so early stage.
Ruku won't harm Jo's baby because she knows Jalal is already upset with her and if he comes to know that she has done something like this he will either kill her or throw her out of the palace.Both the cases she can't afford.We know she doesn't have "maaika" like Jo to go if she is thrown out.But I doubt she will help Jo.I don't want Ruku to even help her.Jo is capable to look after herself.Ruku stay away from Jo.
Mahac send Haider out of the room because I think she didn't want Nigar and Abulmali to know about her marriage.
Precap:- It is awesome and Pari gave very good expressions as expectant mother.But what I liked was that new Hakim Sahiba .She was so cute with her chubby cheeks and she was so blushing when she gave the news.All these years,I had always seen on TV or in Films the doctors giving this good news to our hero and heroine with such a disgusting face,for the first time I saw a doc was as happy as patient.
About the spoiler pics of Tansen:- I hated to core when I saw Shenu was alive and a part of the concert.I want her to die baas.😡I think Tansen must have been brought by Mansingh after defeating Ramchandra of Rewa in whose court Tansen works.
Let's see now what happens next. Tommorrow's episode is Badhai ho Badhai for Jo.

Edited by Rashmi81 - 11 years ago
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Lovely Post Mansi...its indeed a very good episode.. have not skipped even a single scene yesterday... I feel war looks interesting and il be successful in getting back to its no 2 position ...

1)thank god jalal agreed to fight against MC & nigar coz of hamida other wise people wud hav bashed either Jo or jalal or jolal or ruklal... finally forum is at peace

2) jalal il never leave a chance to visit jo even in this situation..he himself came in bet salima and jo's conversation and started showing off he cant sit and talk to them as he is busy with the war..

3)Good hakim Is still positive..even in history hakim started turning negative in mid of 1565..that too after his mother MC death..so till then we can see him positive.. its really tough to choose one among step brother and own mother..still he went ahead and supported jalal...

4)jolal nailed the final scene..wen jo was singing one cud see how jalal is in pain to fight against his own sister and step mother..

5)coming to pregnancy we all are sure that Jo il hide her pregnancy.. but I seriously doubt rukku helping Jo in this...rukku never thinks about others..that too for Jo and helping Jo no ways... coz already spoilers were out and yesterday also one spoiler came get ready to see jodha in warrior attire to fight against shenu...though rukku and salima may help jalal..rukku knows only teerandaz...not talwarbazi..she doesn't no ABCD about talwar...not sure about salima and her fighting skills..

in this case I agree with nabii ...both salima and rukku il try to fight but wont be successful as shenu herself is a gud sipahi.. so last moment they il create a situation for Jo to choose one ..either praja or kid...jo il go ahead and fight against shenu and wins the war later on il get unconscious and thus how every one il get to no about her pregnancy..kuch to tension aur interesting honi chahiye.Jo ki preg itni aasani se jalal ko pata chalega naah..kuch to drama banta hai..this is JA show..drama to banta hai...

By gods grace nothing il happen to jo and baby even after fighting against shenu..so every one il praise Jo being pregnant still she travelled ..always stood beside jalal and handled him and fought against shenu and won the war.. again all halo's to jodha..like in todarmal case how every one praised jo for her bravery and helping tendency...this il irk rukku wen every one praises Jo for her bravery and warrior skills and later on this pregnancy ...pehle se hi jalal used to chipkofy jodha..now she is giving him his biggest happiness obviously he wont leave her for a sec..he himself il take care of her..he il pamper her.. HB always says jodha beta..she too il start taking care of jo and pampering her and SB il also ..

so whole mad house and amer clan starts pampering Jo...after seeing the care & love showered by jalal,HB,SB and whole mad house...and now tansen is going to make an entry..jalal is bringing back tansen for jodha..Maham il again instigate rukku saying that jo has everything jalal,his love ,HB,SB,jiji whole mad house family and amer clan's love and now pregnant of jalal's kid and going to get MUZ title most powerful women..jashan for jodha ..no one even bothered to celebrate wen she faked her pregnancy..now its just opposite...this il make rukku more jealous and she il do something and gets caught and loses her last chance given by jalal..and then jalal il punish her in public..

Is me CB and maham ki bandaphod kaise hoti hai..not sure..but for sure shenu il hear secretly abu mali talking to someone about MC plans & how she is using Shenu to get takt ..and jalal being innocent..this may lead shenu turn positive..coz in Jashan shenu is also thr..all got new dresses...including humkum ki tamil hogi atga.. todarmal..i guess old cv's are back..we are getting to see something interesting apart from harem politics..just hope JA get backs to its no 2 position and leads the race...

Edited by Gem12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beautiful post Mansi
Extremely busy on office but I am going to silently read all posts here
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Posted: 11 years ago
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One more thing.Mansi your DP should also have a dove in it.Because your post also comes at a peaceful time of 11.15 pm EDT.When everything is cool and calm outside,your post comes .What a cooling effect it has when some of us are enraged with the episode.Everything so perfectly put forward.Your post is cool as cucumber.

And all the regular members of this thread like Sindhu,Maddy,Gem,Jaya,Diksha,Donjas,Akt.ja,Preet,
Ayushi and I am sorry if I have missed some names, are those who just don't love only Jalal or Jodha but they are the serial lovers.They love this serial no matter what crap it shows.Reading all these posts makes me feel like I am sitting in intellectual discussion.
👏 👏 .I applaud all of u for keeping up the spirit.
Edited by Rashmi81 - 11 years ago
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Mansi, Lovely take 😊.
Yes, yesterday's episode mainly concentrated on Mirza Hakim and the Harem ladies.
The moment TM & Atgah Khan update the Hamida about the person behind Nigar on this war, she was shell shocked. I could relate her facial expressions to that of Mirza's on the previous night when he heard about his mother's hand in the war. Poor kid could not digest the news and at the same time, the elder men were more compassionate on him by not asking or telling anything to him at that moment to give him some time to recover from the shock. But Hamida being the lady who had seen the world more than the little boy could recover instantly and said if MC has joned hands with Nigar, the it is nothing but a revolt against the sultanate and we have to put a stop to it before they cause damage to our people. She was instantly the Rajamata who will care less for family and more for the subjects. But the men had some more news for her that their king was not ready to fight the war against his sister and now with addition of his mother, it will be more difficult for him to decide hence they need HB's support in convincing her son to wage war. This is for what they need ministers in every court (be it a small kingdom or the vast nation). Hamida knew how to tackle her son so she just summoned for a DEK.
All the people were present in the DEK and on his entry Jalal asked his mother why she asked him to come to DEK when she wanted to talk to him, she could have done that alone either in his room or her room. The way things are happening off late have left the bitter taste on his tongue and he was fearing to hear any more bad news. Here comes the dialogue of the day if I can call it so, Hamida got up and said "Yes, I wanted to talk to you but not as your mother to you as my son but as MARRIUM MAKKANI TO SHEHENSHA" Then she proceeded further and said I got to know who is behind Nigar and who is supporting her by providing army etc and it is from a reliable source, so don't have doubts on the news and Jalal had nothing but to ask her who it was and Mirza Hakim was already being uncomfortable in his seat as he knew the name which was about to come out of HB and except foe TM, Atgah & MH, all the others in the DEK were shell shocked to hear the name 'Begum Mahamchuchak'. Jalal felt as if his shoulders were added with the additional weight of few more tons that now he is unable to bear the weight and may collapse anytime. So MM proceeded with her talk and said this is nothing but treachery against the sultanate and will cost lives if not stopped it in the initial stage which clearly said that Jalal had no other option but to fight the war and safeguard his subjects. Just for his family issues, the innocent people of the sultanate should not suffer and if you allow that then you can't be a good Sheheshah and people will not believe you any further.
See whatever Jodha & Ruqu said the previous night to Jalal, they were talking to their husband and Nigar's brother and in private, so it was still a dilemma for Jalal to decide on what he should do and how he can fight his own sister. But here in the DEK, the Shehenshah had to face MM who has higher rights than him and also who can decide on the course of action even without his participation, if needed. So when he saw his peace loving mother advocating the war, he felt the actual need for it and at that moment he steeled his heart of any soft feelings that could deviate his mind from his goal. So he braced himself and waged war and the already ready TM & Atgah Khan were more than relieved to hear his ferocious announcement. One person who could really relate to the inner turmoil of Jalal was his own brother Hakim Mirza. With the announcement, he was drifted more towards self hatredness for being MC's son and was counting the pros & cons of war sequence and his involvement.
The moment Jalal decided to fight, he immediately summoned his senior people to discuss the war strategy and was aghast to know that they have very small army than it required to fight the vast Kabul army along with some more additions. But he didn't lose heart with this revelation but assured others that it doesn't matter even if they have small army but they need to fight strategically and systematically. At this juncture HM entered the scene much with reluctance as he was not sure whether they will accept him with the ever ready open arms as he is MC's son and MC has waged war on the sultanate. But still he offered to fight with Jalal against his mother as his mother is wrong, but added provided you trust my loyalty. The ever dotting brother was ready to console him by saying, it will be difficult for him to fight his mother, so he need not have to decide and he does trust him. That was the much needed assurance for HM and he said he would fight for the sultanate and TM welcomed him with readiness. And if I can count on TM's strategy, he did not expected HM to reveal the secrets of Kabul army but he expected much more than that. As they Kabul army can see Hakim Mirza fighting for Jalal, they will realize their mistake that is if the prince himself is against their queen, then they are fighting for the wrong person and they might change their loyalty from MC to Jalal instantly.
And about taking Harem along to war field was the instant decision as TM mentioned that a vast portion of their small army has to be left behind in Agra to safe guard the ladies and children. It is not only the fact that Nigar was aware of all the inlet & outlets of palace (as she had been roaming around all the time without rising anyone's attention with her childish behavior) but also the necessity of all the resources to fight the war. So he issued orders to all the harem ladies & children (please enlighten me about the children, I mean floral used here) as I have seen only Rahim in harem so far and does the children include the kids of Bhandis?. And he gave the responsibility of the preparations to Maham and I felt like "asking the thief to provide security to the treasury". It serve 2 purpose, one, she will feel elated that she has some responsibility to fulfill and work towards that (to into good books of Jalal) and the other is since she is in charge of the move, she can't do some treachery to harm anyone as they are her responsibility now. he killed 2 birds in one stone that MA shall not join MC now as she hopes to get into his good books and the other is she will not have any free time left to think evil and do some plans against Jalal & his wives in his absence.
And Maham will not take CB along with her to the war field and she will leave her in the custody of her men as she thinks CB will not try to run away if she mention that she will bring her daughter to meet her if she behaves well. And we have all the reasons to believe CB will escape as the security will be loosened in Maham's absence.
Haider was asked to leave the place as neither Nigar nor Abul Mali are aware of her marriage to him. And if Nigar comes to know about this, she may instantly change her decision to fight with MC as she still feels that MC is mourning for her father Humayun. And the pep talk of MC to Nigar was not just a pep talk but a threat covered with sweet talk. Mc showed the blood stains on the poles of her court and conveyed the message that those stains are from those people who went against her. Anyone change their loyalty from MC will shed their blood here like this. It conveyed the message that if by chance you change your loyalty from me to Jalal, then be assured your blood will stain these walls as well.
But Ione thing I can't understand is the mode of transport these people (Nigar & Abul Mali) is using and how fast they can travel from Agra to Kabul? The previous night they were in Agra doing mock fire at Agra to show their power and intentions and within less than a day's time they are in Kabul. Jalal should buy some horses of that strength and speed so that he will not have to worry on fighting the enemy at Agra but can face them at their own grounds by galloping on such horses.
And about the precap, I mean about Jodha's pregnant news, Jodha might come to know about this after they reach the war field and not at Agra palace. I feel so because, if it were in palace, then there were chances of either Salima or Hamida be present during the Hakima's entry. Second, Jodha might not have time to call the Hakima at that crucial time when the war is on the threshold of Agra. So after travelling, Jodha might feel uneasy and might summon the Hakima and will get to know about her pregnancy. And might ask Hakima to not to reveal this news to any since the time is not good for this. Later when Jalal and troop were fighting in one corner, from the other corner, Nigar and MC might attack the tents of woman folk and Jodha will decide to take sword into her hands and might instantly get herself ready and start the fight. after witnessing Jodha fighting vigorously, the frightened Hakima might inform Ruqu on Jodha's condition and caution her about the mishaps. So Ruqu might join the fight just to ensure Jodha is not overstress herself and affect the fetus.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rashmi81

One more thing.Mansi your DP should also have a dove in it.Because your post also comes at a peaceful time of 11.15 pm EDT.When everything is cool and calm outside,your post comes .What a cooling effect it has when some of us are enraged with the episode.Everything so perfectly put forward.Your post is cool as cucumber.


And all the regular members of this thread like Sindhu,Maddy,Gem,Jaya,Diksha,Donjas,Akt.ja,Preet,
Ayushi and I am sorry if I have missed some names, are those who just don't love only Jalal or Jodha but they are the serial lovers.They love this serial no matter what crap it shows.Reading all these posts makes me feel like I am sitting in intellectual discussion.
👏 👏 .I applaud all of u for keeping up the spirit.

Rashmi, thanks for liking our posts. Since we see it to enjoy, we try to look for reasons to cherish than crib on what was shown. Moreover, since this is a history based serial they have to show the black cat as black cat only. To the maximum, they can change the brightness but not the entire colour. 😆

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