The issue of Marital Rape and its punishment. *plz read*

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well a lot of hue and cry over Raja getting hanged.
Here in the forum people also and even in the show Madhu says she wants to see Raja on fansi...
Well lets just think for once with a cool mind.
I dont even want to get over who is right debate bcz its useless discussing over it when nothing is clear to even the one who did the deed. 😆🤣
So let me bring to notice the fact that what is the punishment for Marital rape in India. Its not 7 yr imprisonment and definitely not hang till death. there is no clear cut punishment in law for this and even there is controvery over recognition of such forced sex in marriage as rape because of the belief that marriage in itself is a consent for such explicit relation.
But still for such cases as far as I have read is an imprisonment for 3 years. But even that is for those couples who have seperated and not living as couple. And for a couple living together there is no proper law. Even the definition of rape in our country clearly excludes marital rape.
So in the end, we cant even say what court procedures they are going to show. And if they get him punished its gonna be for 3 years. And i dont mind having 3 year leap.
But for the sake of the "SOCIAL ISSUE" that MB tried to bring up. I think its a bold and good attempt because its a kind of crime that doesnt even have a recognition in our law.

I also applaud them, specially DD, tht they showed the girl standing with high head and easily using the term "Balatkaar" and not ashaming from it. Though i still believe that standing in that shawl and dishevelled hair was not a good idea and again portrayed victimization. But when Madhu stood in police station and the policeman asking her "apko ye shabd baar baar bolne mei sharam nai aati?" I loved her reply.
The idea that rape happening shouldnt be a guilt over the girl is being beautifully shown here.

its just a discussion over the issue trying to be shown here and not a debate over the serial and character. Not for once am i saying Madhu is right or Raja is right or wrong. Thats all is kept under sheets so i want to wait for what comes out of those. Dont say here that its not BV or something because if they decide to show an issue through the progression of their story its not a bad thing. BV showed the problem of rape and let me say that it was too insensitive way.
Television and cinema is the mirror of our society and those here shouting on top of their voices for punishing Raja and even his family. And pointing his family as janwars. I highly doubt that anybody would look around their own society and see the people. Because Rape is even a tabooed "word" that our families dont even want to say among themselves. And Marital rape is a not understandable issue for a lot of the people specially those who belong to a conservative background. so the reaction of Raja's family is very natural and the mirror image of what happens in our society. I can say this thing as that unfortunately there was such case in my own relatives and nobody was ready to even talk of it. Not that all were just blind to it. Many of us were of the view to take action but those from the earlier generation chose to keep quite. Even the father of that girl decided not to speak up and in turn asked his own daughter to just bear with it. Well anyhow the couple is divorced now. But i saw the reality of our "Progressive Modern Society"

So in the end I applaud the team for their attempt. And using the conservative background that they had created to get out a serious issue which has now become a topic of discussion in this forum and most probably even in families now.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I liked the post for objective view.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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thanks for sharing your thought
and i dont know what they will show us in court 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You have raised some very valid points. However, its onIy on the surface that it looks like a good thing that they have raised this issue and are showing the victim standing up for herself, demanding and prepared to fight for justice and her family (dida) supporting her. Why?
Because this PH and abhinav shukla do not have the backbone or guts to see it through to showing raja punished if he did it.
This whole horrifying issue of sexual violence against women is going to be trivialized by this ass abhinav shukla. 🤢Why? Because he will wriggle this story somehow so it will end with the heroine still falling in love with the "hero". 🤢Remember male lead = hero. It doesn't matter that raja has shown all the blatant characteristics of a villian (even if it turns out that he hasn't raped jm). He had done plenty else to her and others. None of which fall within the catergory of even a "grey person"

Its just a trp stunt. Hope it blows up in his face. As did his forced abortion stunt with rk and madhu. He took a serious issue and then he thought that ppl will just forget everything coz rk cried when she mis-carried. He was dumb enough to think that viewers will forget prior to madhu having a miscarriage he had shown that rk was going to force her to have an abortion. TRP audience do not forget😆.
Shukla knows some audiences will find excuse and justifications, its just that he is daft and overestimates how many there are. Yes, already here on teh forum ppl are posting "wriggle arounds" ...bhanu did it, show it is a dream sequence, etc etc. But does that translate to trp viewers doing that?😆 Emotional, psychological abuse, physical and now sexual violence has been shown to such an extreme in this show, that it seems trp viewers are not prepared to wrongly "rationalise"/excuse all the crap.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Panthera

You have raised some very valid points. However, its onIy on the surface that it looks like a good thing that they have raised this issue and are showing the victim standing up for herself, demanding and prepared to fight for justice and her family (dida) supporting her. Why?
Because this PH and abhinav shukla do not have the backbone or guts to see it through to showing raja punished if he did it.
This whole horrifying issue of sexual violence against women is going to be trivialized by this ass abhinav shukla. 🤢Why? Because he will wriggle this story somehow so it will end with the heroine still falling in love with the "hero". 🤢Remember male lead = hero. It doesn't matter that raja has shown all the blatant characteristics of a villian (even if it turns out that he hasn't raped jm). He had done plenty else to her and others. None of which fall within the catergory of even a "grey person"

Its just a trp stunt. Hope it blows up in his face. As did his forced abortion stunt with rk and madhu. He took a serious issue and then he thought that ppl will just forget everything coz rk cried when she mis-carried. He was dumb enough to think that viewers will forget prior to madhu having a miscarriage he had shown that rk was going to force her to have an abortion. TRP audience do not forget😆.
Shukla knows some audiences will find excuse and justifications, its just that he is daft and overestimates how many there are. Yes, already here on teh forum ppl are posting "wriggle arounds" ...bhanu did it, show it is a dream sequence, etc etc. But does that translate to trp viewers doing that?😆 Emotional, psychological abuse, physical and now sexual violence has been shown to such an extreme in this show, that it seems trp viewers are not prepared to wrongly "rationalise"/excuse all the crap.



I agree with all that u said. But u know what that is the bitter truth. We are all insensitive to it. Why blame AS when a lot of viewers want to see the lead pair togther. And the miscarriage part was really something disgusting and it was so insensitively dealt with. Even the unwedding part was not given its due redemption. When the redemption was to start they got Sultan and all the viewers and the characters too forgot the unwedding redemption and focused on Sultan getting exit and Madhu ending with RK.
As far as AS is concerened. U know i felt it really unfortunate. Here its still a story where we quite know that Raja woould end up repenting sooner or later. I am not saying he is right and should be forgiven. But still we know that somewhere this Raja would be shown defeated. In BV there was this rape case shown. And the rape was proved after all the court drama being shown. And the family of that rapist was an educated and sophisticated family. But they till the end supported their son. Even after being proved culprit they were shown saying that he did a mistake.(Just a Mistake!!)
And to top it now that rapist is back in the house and free. I dont know what law and CRPc they follow. In a non bailable offence he has gotten bail within say a month.
The whole point is not to discuss BV here but to sayy that our TRPs and audiences work that way. Its unfortunate that when these cvs dont want to take up a stand for what they are showing and can take up a U-turn anytime they want.
At the end of the road its just entertainment and Numbers are all that matter. (Sadly)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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very nice post and replies..
@panthera, completely agree with u..shukla is behind this, he is just, beating a dead horse..these ppl r useless...viewers r fools who expect anything good frm them..when i heard the chappal se maarenge dialogue, i felt like maroing chappal on me for getting hooked to it..i am so fed up..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post K.atrina 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good and a valid post.
I also read an article in the indian express newspapaer, which conducted a survey in pune and said that around 12% of the women mentioned about marital rape.
I agree to your point that in conservative families, the elders of those generation feel that marriage is the license given to the male especially to do anything he wants with his spouse. Why they dont understand marriages are made for companionship of both the individuals. Even when a girl complains about it, the elders are keen in shutting her and never talk a word against their husband.
Nice that they have brought this issue in this popular serial. I too dont want to discuss or take sides of neither of the leads. But it must be made clear that a women is also an individual in a relation and not a toy to play with.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My respose in this

Originally posted by: k.atrina75



I agree with all that u said. But u know what that is the bitter truth. We are all insensitive to it. Why blame AS when a lot of viewers want to see the lead pair togther
Thats just the point! HOW many viewers? WHICH viewers? Who are these viewers who want to see the lead pair togather no matter what? Are they trp viewers? Are a significant number of these trp viewers part of fanhoods who will watch a show regardless of what the character played by their fav actor is doing? Put aside IF member viewers.

TRP figures show that this show never gained the trps even CLOSE to what they were just before the un-wedding! rk was shown to be redeemed but they showed that he was faking it and did the un-wedding. And THAT audience, the trp audience have been leaving ever since.😆 After the unwedding the trps plummeted and have never going near that level again. Infact after sultan was killed off, its been a steady decline no matter what they have shown rk/raju/raja do or suffer.

Now look at tiwari's current show! He was was the other half of nautanki along with shukla. In his new PH, his male lead, compared to rk, let alone raja, would win awards for insanyiat! BUT no trps!! Why? Because trp audience don't TRUST tiwari😆 just as they don't trust shukla. Now even VD fans don't trust shukla😆

. And the miscarriage part was really something disgusting and it was so insensitively dealt with. Even the unwedding part was not given its due redemption. When the redemption was to start they got Sultan and all the viewers and the characters too forgot the unwedding redemption and focused on Sultan getting exit and Madhu ending with RK.
I think it was just an assumption that there was going to be a redemption. Because a lot of ppl were watching with the pre- set idea in their heads that in a show the male lead is automatically the hero and the hero always gets the heroine. So it was the same situation as now. They just make excuses/rationalise incorrectly whenever the male lead does something that is more like a villian than a hero. The PH added to this and took the audience for a ride, especially the younger section by blaring " hum hai deewane" and eyelocks. Psychological and emotional abuse was glorified as ishq and deewangi. Did the trp audience buy it? Slowly the realised they were being fooled and started leaving!😃 No matter what they did with rk, madhu or rishbala, the trps kept sliding DOWN. Until they had to decide on a leap.

As far as AS being an ass is concerened. U know i felt it really unfortunate. Here its still a story where we quite know that Raja woould end up repenting sooner or later. I am not saying he is right and should be forgiven. But still we know that somewhere this Raja would be shown defeated.
I think shukla burnt his bridges to the trp aunties from day one, when he showed raja set up and murder in cold blood. 😆
In BV there was this rape case shown. And the rape was proved after all the court drama being shown. And the family of that rapist was an educated and sophisticated family. But they till the end supported their son. Even after being proved culprit they were shown saying that he did a mistake.(Just a Mistake!!)
And to top it now that rapist is back in the house and free. I dont know what law and CRPc they follow. In a non bailable offence he has gotten bail within say a month.
The whole point is not to discuss BV here but to sayy that our TRPs and audiences work that way.
Its unfortunate that when these cvs dont want to take up a stand for what they are showing and can take up a U-turn anytime they want.
Im not sure that this is still the case all the time anymore😃 Shukla is an ass because even to copy requires using some intelligence which he is not showing. Unless Im wrong and he does show this thru to the end with raja having raped and jm getting justice. There is a show on LifeOK, getting very decent trps. The heroine walked out and refuses to come back, oh and the hero is veryyy sorry. Is desperately trying to redeem himself. Why did she leave and refuses to come back? He called her "characterless and a loose woman". Heck madhu used to be called that every other day by rk😆..and madhu just ran around after him wimpering rk...rk...rk...and trps were slip sliding away..😆
Even a show with a dragon of a saas...that "light and lamp" show on starplus. Has highest trps I think...the saas throws her own son out of the house and advises the bahu, to stand up if her husband is doing something wrong. Not just meekly follow him and stay silent!


At the end of the road its just entertainment and Numbers are all that matter. (Sadly)
I agree but here shukla has jumped on the "strong woman" bandwagon shown by quite a few other shows and taken it up several knotches to rape! and is going to mess up and lose more trps coz there is only one male lead and...

a) if the male lead is the rapist then shukla has to wriggle the story to show the victim who is the heroine fall in love with her rapist. Not a trp earner!🤔
b) make a mockery of rape and trick the audience and show at the end it was a dream or something. Yup trp audience will like that. Not!😆 Even if the trps go up during the did he do it?/didn't he hungama. Do you think trp audience will trust him with the next track (if there is one) or with his next show? Look whats happening to tiwari uncle!!🤣
Niether is going to get him any trps I don't think. But lets see!!

c) Have the balls to show the male lead not a a hero/grey/anti hero bullcrap but as a villian (already shown as a villian even without the rape) but getting jailed for his crimes. Highly unlikely. I don't think vd will play it.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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YES, this is the truth ! 👏

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