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Posted: 11 years ago
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There's definitely a double standard, I won't disagree there. But the situation isn't that simple either.

I don't think she doubts that Parmeet was at fault. She mentioned how it takes two to tango, and in that sentence, she blamed Ishita for the conflict between Parmeet and Ishita. Thus, she thinks that something did happen between them (i.e. molestation). And as for her telling Raman he could've handled it a different way, hmmm. I kind of saw it as her being angry at him for making it such a public event. Raman yelled super loud, beat Parmeet up, and got him publicly arrested. He's not wrong in doing that of course. But it's so insulting. Not only to Parmeet, but also Simmi and she witnessed it all happening. I assumed that she probably wanted Raman and other family members to give a talking to Parmeet and warn him. She's belongs to an older, more close minded generation that favours men over women. Therefore, she probably thought that if Parmeet got a warning of something, he would've been "fixed" and Simmi's marriage would've remained intact. That's why she was upset with Raman because he made it such an insulting public event (and rightfully did so) and kind of ruined any chances of reconciliation.

As for her being angry if somebody molested Simmi or Rinki, its important to keep in mind WHO molested. In Ishita's case, if a stranger had tried to molest her, I'm sure that Toshi would've backed Ishita 100%. But the entire situation is complicated by the fact being its Simmi's husband. Obviously the sane thing to do would be to support the victim. But she's not being sane right now, nor is Simmi. But I don't think she's siding with Parmeet 100% either. Her main priority is to side with her daughter whom she's known the longest and loves the most. And unfortunately, that seemingly puts her on Parmeet's side, relative to Ishita's side.

Also, I'm not quite sure if I agree with the argument that a DIL can never be a daughter. Freaking Ishita has only been in the family for 3 MONTHS. That's a very short stay. Of course she's still at the DIL status. They barely know her that well. Of course a DIL is not going to become a daughter the moment she marries into the family. The way a DIL becomes a daughter, is through time. Time that allows the family and DIL to interact, understand each other, and form a close bonding. 3 Months is barely enough time to do that. Therefore, I don't think that this track is showing how a DIL can never be a daughter. It just doesn't apply to the show yet (with Toshi and Ishita) in my opinion.

But anyways, so yes, while there is a double standard, its not too difficult to imagine her acting out of character. In fact, I think her character's reaction is super realistic and Shahnaz is doing a great job in making it seem authentic.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

There's definitely a double standard, I won't disagree there. But the situation isn't that simple either.

I don't think she doubts that Parmeet was at fault. She mentioned how it takes two to tango, and in that sentence, she blamed Ishita for the conflict between Parmeet and Ishita. Thus, she thinks that something did happen between them (i.e. molestation). And as for her telling Raman he could've handled it a different way, hmmm. I kind of saw it as her being angry at him for making it such a public event. Raman yelled super loud, beat Parmeet up, and got him publicly arrested. He's not wrong in doing that of course. But it's so insulting. Not only to Parmeet, but also Simmi and she witnessed it all happening. I assumed that she probably wanted Raman and other family members to give a talking to Parmeet and warn him. She's belongs to an older, more close minded generation that favours men over women. Therefore, she probably thought that if Parmeet got a warning of something, he would've been "fixed" and Simmi's marriage would've remained intact. That's why she was upset with Raman because he made it such an insulting public event (and rightfully did so) and kind of ruined any chances of reconciliation.

As for her being angry if somebody molested Simmi or Rinki, its important to keep in mind WHO molested. In Ishita's case, if a stranger had tried to molest her, I'm sure that Toshi would've backed Ishita 100%. But the entire situation is complicated by the fact being its Simmi's husband. Obviously the sane thing to do would be to support the victim. But she's not being sane right now, nor is Simmi. But I don't think she's siding with Parmeet 100% either. Her main priority is to side with her daughter whom she's known the longest and loves the most. And unfortunately, that seemingly puts her on Parmeet's side, relative to Ishita's side.

Also, I'm not quite sure if I agree with the argument that a DIL can never be a daughter. Freaking Ishita has only been in the family for 3 MONTHS. That's a very short stay. Of course she's still at the DIL status. They barely know her that well. Of course a DIL is not going to become a daughter the moment she marries into the family. The way a DIL becomes a daughter, is through time. Time that allows the family and DIL to interact, understand each other, and form a close bonding. 3 Months is barely enough time to do that. Therefore, I don't think that this track is showing how a DIL can never be a daughter. It just doesn't apply to the show yet (with Toshi and Ishita) in my opinion.

But anyways, so yes, while there is a double standard, its not too difficult to imagine her acting out of character. In fact, I think her character's reaction is super realistic and Shahnaz is doing a great job in making it seem authentic.

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you put it very well.
im also not takiing toshi side but her actions are not completely wrong from her pov.gud news is she now believe param is wrong and not ishita
Edited by lika63 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#13
100% agree with u.Dont knw why toshi is supporting parm so blindly...😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lovely_lady

There's definitely a double standard, I won't disagree there. But the situation isn't that simple either.

I don't think she doubts that Parmeet was at fault. She mentioned how it takes two to tango, and in that sentence, she blamed Ishita for the conflict between Parmeet and Ishita. Thus, she thinks that something did happen between them (i.e. molestation). And as for her telling Raman he could've handled it a different way, hmmm. I kind of saw it as her being angry at him for making it such a public event. Raman yelled super loud, beat Parmeet up, and got him publicly arrested. He's not wrong in doing that of course. But it's so insulting. Not only to Parmeet, but also Simmi and she witnessed it all happening. I assumed that she probably wanted Raman and other family members to give a talking to Parmeet and warn him. She's belongs to an older, more close minded generation that favours men over women. Therefore, she probably thought that if Parmeet got a warning of something, he would've been "fixed" and Simmi's marriage would've remained intact. That's why she was upset with Raman because he made it such an insulting public event (and rightfully did so) and kind of ruined any chances of reconciliation.

As for her being angry if somebody molested Simmi or Rinki, its important to keep in mind WHO molested. In Ishita's case, if a stranger had tried to molest her, I'm sure that Toshi would've backed Ishita 100%. But the entire situation is complicated by the fact being its Simmi's husband. Obviously the sane thing to do would be to support the victim. But she's not being sane right now, nor is Simmi. But I don't think she's siding with Parmeet 100% either. Her main priority is to side with her daughter whom she's known the longest and loves the most. And unfortunately, that seemingly puts her on Parmeet's side, relative to Ishita's side.

Also, I'm not quite sure if I agree with the argument that a DIL can never be a daughter. Freaking Ishita has only been in the family for 3 MONTHS. That's a very short stay. Of course she's still at the DIL status. They barely know her that well. Of course a DIL is not going to become a daughter the moment she marries into the family. The way a DIL becomes a daughter, is through time. Time that allows the family and DIL to interact, understand each other, and form a close bonding. 3 Months is barely enough time to do that. Therefore, I don't think that this track is showing how a DIL can never be a daughter. It just doesn't apply to the show yet (with Toshi and Ishita) in my opinion.

But anyways, so yes, while there is a double standard, its not too difficult to imagine her acting out of character. In fact, I think her character's reaction is super realistic and Shahnaz is doing a great job in making it seem authentic.

Brilliantly written and said. Couldn't agree more
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lovely_lady

There's definitely a double standard, I won't disagree there. But the situation isn't that simple either.

I don't think she doubts that Parmeet was at fault. She mentioned how it takes two to tango, and in that sentence, she blamed Ishita for the conflict between Parmeet and Ishita. Thus, she thinks that something did happen between them (i.e. molestation). And as for her telling Raman he could've handled it a different way, hmmm. I kind of saw it as her being angry at him for making it such a public event. Raman yelled super loud, beat Parmeet up, and got him publicly arrested. He's not wrong in doing that of course. But it's so insulting. Not only to Parmeet, but also Simmi and she witnessed it all happening. I assumed that she probably wanted Raman and other family members to give a talking to Parmeet and warn him. She's belongs to an older, more close minded generation that favours men over women. Therefore, she probably thought that if Parmeet got a warning of something, he would've been "fixed" and Simmi's marriage would've remained intact. That's why she was upset with Raman because he made it such an insulting public event (and rightfully did so) and kind of ruined any chances of reconciliation.

As for her being angry if somebody molested Simmi or Rinki, its important to keep in mind WHO molested. In Ishita's case, if a stranger had tried to molest her, I'm sure that Toshi would've backed Ishita 100%. But the entire situation is complicated by the fact being its Simmi's husband. Obviously the sane thing to do would be to support the victim. But she's not being sane right now, nor is Simmi. But I don't think she's siding with Parmeet 100% either. Her main priority is to side with her daughter whom she's known the longest and loves the most. And unfortunately, that seemingly puts her on Parmeet's side, relative to Ishita's side.

Also, I'm not quite sure if I agree with the argument that a DIL can never be a daughter. Freaking Ishita has only been in the family for 3 MONTHS. That's a very short stay. Of course she's still at the DIL status. They barely know her that well. Of course a DIL is not going to become a daughter the moment she marries into the family. The way a DIL becomes a daughter, is through time. Time that allows the family and DIL to interact, understand each other, and form a close bonding. 3 Months is barely enough time to do that. Therefore, I don't think that this track is showing how a DIL can never be a daughter. It just doesn't apply to the show yet (with Toshi and Ishita) in my opinion.

But anyways, so yes, while there is a double standard, its not too difficult to imagine her acting out of character. In fact, I think her character's reaction is super realistic and Shahnaz is doing a great job in making it seem authentic.

Thank you for putting your thoughts nicely. Although I would agree to many things you have written, I am still not quite sure about a few. Certainly there is no clear cut right or wrong here but the balance is tipped off towards the wrong is what I feel.

Yes, Toshiji did say it takes two to tango and the fact that Ishita could be involved in instigating Pervmeet. But Ishita was never given a chance to prove herself clean. When she came to talk to the family even before Raman was present, Toshiji had clearly said nothing of that sort would have happened and warned to keep her mouth shut. And right before kicking Ishita out of the house, she refused to believe the fact that Ishita's cell phone was at home. Ishita had even called home to ask Toshiji about that. That had been conveniently forgotten by Toshiji while supporting Simmi. Her thoughts stem from her closed-minded old school thoughts. She had never given Ishita the benefit of doubt at any point of time. And my question here is would she have blindly supported some other family member (say, Simmi's jeejaji) if Simmi came complaining about molestation? I don't think so...

It certainly was insulting from Raman's side but we need to remember it was his wife under scrutiny. She had been insulted in front of everyone in spite of her pleading and ousted out of the house without second thought and Raman couldn't do anything. He needed to get down to the facts and find who was at fault. He did feel torn between his wife and his sister but it wasn't just Ishita but also Sarika. The righteous man in him wouldn't let the guy roam free knowing his dirty character. Plus in the past, his first wife was also under scrutiny. But the fact that Shagun had a hand in with Ashok has impacted him very badly. History repeating itself doubled his anger and the minute he knew only Pervmeet was at fault his frustration burst forth.

But I wouldn't agree with the fact that DIL needs time to become a daughter. When a child is blessed with another sibling, the little one becomes his/her sister with no requirement of "earning that status". Why the difference when the DIL enters that she has to earn the status? Why does someone have to earn the "daughter" status and not become the "daughter" the minute she marries? The groom's family chose the girl. If they cannot see her as a daughter on day one, what difference does it make on day 100? Isn't the girl expected to see her in-laws as her parents and treat them the same way. Would it be okay for the DIL to refuse the duties of her new household just because she still needs to adjust? Did Ishita take time to adjust as a DIL? The minute she walked into the house she took the responsibility of a mother for Ruhi and a daughter for Toshi and Bhalla. She did take time adjusting as a wife but the respect was there in spite of constant bickering. In the past three months she had done everything to Bhallas because they were her family but when she expected favor to be returned by giving her the benefit of doubt, she becomes a DIL still in adjustment status? She could have certainly stuck with being just Ruhi's mother but she extended her hand towards every member of the family. Even going to protect Simmi when she found that her husband was out of job. What else did she have to do to get her "daughter" status?

Shanaz is brilliant at what she is doing. No doubts.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree wid ur every single word...
Last night I was watching show wid my sis.
We both were disgusted at toshi ji's behaviour but at same time we both agreed that they actually showed the true face of our society.
This is really sad but true.
Many galz face the same prob like ishu but they
R not allowed to voice against it. For the heck of so called ghar ki izat...
Really shame on such ladies who provokes men
To stoop so low by not taking any action...
Istead they put all blame on victim...
I so wish sooner or later simmi n toshi ji to fall on their faces. They deserve this.
Hate toshi fr when she said Ishu ko param
Se frank hone ki kya jarurat thi... bullshit
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Amazing Post ! Agree with most of the points Especially all points of Toshiji ...

I was waiting for this post from the moment Toshiji n Simmi behaves like nerds...
Toshiji ---> She was always a women who took sides and very true character and Unfortunately real character of society ... I am not saying few of them exist in our society but most of us are still the same like Toshiji who first think about there blood then who came from outside even if they did anything to them. I really want to ask a question to people like Toshiji ---> What if Mr. Bhalla was like Parmeet what would be her reaction? did she really wants him to be beaten by and thrown out rather then handing over to Police or thought that her SIL gave wrong signals to your hubby and make him run after him? This thought is so disgusting! If one person is giving wrong signals and second one is taking , Isn't he also responsible for the actions? How can he is not characterless?

She should be the strength of her daughter this time rather then blaming her DIL. She is not understanding that your daughter is also a victim by him and after realizing she should help her daughter to look this in a positive way and show her how to move forward . BUT ...

Simmi ---> I can never relax her just because she is blindly trusting her husband. If she did then go out look for the evidences and prove him right . Go check the bank balance and prove wrong that the money Sarika took is not in her hubby's account. Go out and show everyone that my hubbies mobile was getting these dirty messages from my SIL's number . Why she is choosing to sit and blame in the name of TRUST? this is not even blind trust , this is denial and fear as deep down her mind knows that he could be like that But she don't want to look his face in real light .

Edited by smilydear - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree 👍🏼

All she can think about is her daughter!! And not that Bahu who has given so much love to her grand daughter !
Grow up Toshiji!!

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