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kahiliginger

@kahiliginger

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Posted: 7 years ago

#31

Sorry if my points seem parochial. I did not intend to defend men who cheat on their wives, I was just stating under what circumstances high testosterone men are more likely to cheat.

No matter how modern today's women are, when there are children involved mothers are less likely to cheat as the basis of our value system remains patriarchal. Working women continue to be the primary caregivers for their children. They continue to oversee the domestic tasks traditionally relegated to our gender.

And the term mistress still does not have a masculine equivalent.

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whitewitch

@whitewitch

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Posted: 7 years ago

#32

If mugal emperors and other ancient kings can have harems and cucubines bajirao was not an exception. Arabs still keep four wives even though it is not necessary.
Many kings in history of World has many women.
No one is ram
Even today those who have power and money keep mistess as they want .
And their wives keep mum.
I will never justify bajirao ethically still powr can corrupt you.
Bajirao was powerful and get what ever he wanted
And mastani no exception.
And kashi being devoted wife tolerated her. Without choice

We can sympathyize her. But that is truth

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 7 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: kahiliginger
Sorry if my points seem parochial. I did not intend to defend men who cheat on their wives, I was just stating under what circumstances high testosterone men are more likely to cheat.
No matter how modern today's women are, when there are children involved mothers are less likely to cheat as the basis of our value system remains patriarchal. Working women continue to be the primary caregivers for their children. They continue to oversee the domestic tasks traditionally relegated to our gender.

And the term mistress still does not have a masculine equivalent.

No no...I understood what you meant...😊

But the reason you gave is often a justification provided by many...

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 7 years ago

#34

True women back then never had a voice of their own and though we'd like to boast about women empowerment and all that crap, its a sad fact that women in this country will be treated like objects regardless. Having a concubine/mistress was common practice back then and on many occasions women never protested. This is not to say they felt no anger or pain but it was a casualty. Even to this day men in power have more than one mistress and though the whole world knows about it including their wives they don't protest, especially if the woman is not independent financially.

I guess viewers will not connect with Bajirao Mastani though the world proclaim her to be eternal love coz we can relate more to the pain of a woman who was wronged. My only problem with this show is the lack of apathy in Baji for Kashi. A woman who takes care of his family and waits for him praying for his safe return means little or nothing to him. I wonder what happened to that vow of his that he will come back home no matter how far he goes. He made that vow to dispel her fear of losing him. Didn't he mean he will go back to her? 😕 I remember the scene before the wedding when Radhabai advises him about marital relationships and explains that love would find its way amidst mutual understanding and respect. He had replied that what if he never loves Kashi and now we can see that Does it mean he felt no respect for the woman who took care of his family for a decade leaving behind her own parents? How heartless that sounds

At least in the movie they showed that Bajirao was genuinely guilty for breaking Kashi's heart and no matter how much he loved Mastani, he never ceased to acknowledge Kashi's value in his life. In reality he might never have been guilty but am sure Bajirao never treated his wife as an invalid 😕 I will wait for the epi to air tonight to see if I was wrong about Baji but what with him getting attracted to Mastani without even having some memories with Kashi (as he put it 😛) I wonder if he will feel anything for Kashi at all 🤢

@kahiliginger - loved ur post which put across some facts on the table 👍🏼

Edited by BeyondHorizon - 7 years ago

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kahiliginger

@kahiliginger

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Posted: 7 years ago

#35

@Beyond Horizon, you have it absolutely spot on! To expect a TV series to do justice to history, specially to a neglected character like Kashi is like expecting a snowball to survive in an inferno! The makers will stretch and twist the story based on the TRPs until facts are distorted beyond recognition.

I am writing a historical fiction on Wattpad called "Kashibai Peshwe". Not trying to promote my work but I really want to set the record straight so that people are able to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Books and movies based on the Bajirao Mastani romance lean heavily in favour of that pair, deliberately manipulating facts to generate sympathy for their love story. The Peshwa's family- mother Radhabai, brother Chimaji, Kashi and her son Balaji aka Nana are often demonised and depicted as arch villains.

I started writing Kashibai Peshwe for the very same reason, to show historical events as they actually happened.

Edited by kahiliginger - 7 years ago

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 7 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: kahiliginger
@Beyond Horizon, you have it absolutely spot on! To expect a TV series to do justice to history, specially to a neglected character like Kashi is like expecting a snowball to survive in an inferno! The makers will stretch and twist the story based on the TRPs until facts are distorted beyond recognition.

I am writing a historical fiction on Wattpad called "Kashibai Peshwe". Not trying to promote my work but I really want to set the record straight so that people are able to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Books and movies based on the Bajirao Mastani romance lean heavily in favour of that pair, deliberately manipulating facts to generate sympathy for their love story. The Peshwa's family- mother Radhabai, brother Chimaji, Kashi and her son Balaji aka Nana are often demonised and depicted as arch villains.

I started writing Kashibai Peshwe for the very same reason, to show historical events as they actually happened.

Wow...that is great to hear.

I too am a writer, working on a novel on some misunderstood characters in India. If you want, you may share the details of your work or PM me...I would really love to read about her. 😊

Thanks to Bhansali, I have fallen in love with Kashi's character.

Kudos to you and also a thousand hugs for picking up this topic. 👏

I absolutely oppose the idea of villifying any character( male or female) beyond recognition with factually incorrect artistic liberty...whether in entertainment serials or books to glorify some other character. Some constructive creative liberty with logical interpretation are great but deliberate villification is something I hate. In this case, the deliberate villification has been done about the Peshwa family.

So looking forward to reading your work...😊

Edited by amritat - 7 years ago

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

Stunner

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Posted: 7 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: kahiliginger
@Beyond Horizon, you have it absolutely spot on! To expect a TV series to do justice to history, specially to a neglected character like Kashi is like expecting a snowball to survive in an inferno! The makers will stretch and twist the story based on the TRPs until facts are distorted beyond recognition.

I am writing a historical fiction on Wattpad called "Kashibai Peshwe". Not trying to promote my work but I really want to set the record straight so that people are able to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Books and movies based on the Bajirao Mastani romance lean heavily in favour of that pair, deliberately manipulating facts to generate sympathy for their love story. The Peshwa's family- mother Radhabai, brother Chimaji, Kashi and her son Balaji aka Nana are often demonised and depicted as arch villains.

I started writing Kashibai Peshwe for the very same reason, to show historical events as they actually happened.

Hey thanks for letting me know 😃 I will surely read it. I write fiction on wattpad as well. My ID is FieryHeart85. They are fanfics but not spin offs or anything. My own stories with my own characterisation with borrowed character names from shows 😆

True. Mastani is unnecessarily glorified and so is Peshwa as a lover. As a warrior he certainly deserves credit but besides that there is nothing noteworthy of him. In the show he is shown to be an idealist but he is far from it. Even in the movie I never liked the way Mastani pursued Bajirao though I dont approve of the things Radhabai n Chimaji did. But their anger was justified too. Just coz of a stupid ritual she assumes herself to be Bajirao's wife. I am pretty sure Bajirao didn't know handing her the dagger meant marrying her. Ur post was actually an eye opener and it makes sense y they disapproved of Mastani.

In the show am worried they will show Kashi as a jealous insecure wife who will try to harm Mastani whereas in reality this woman was generous enough to raise Mastani's son as her own. Am already hating the leap track. Will give it another chance n watch few epi more. If this nonsense continues I will quit watching it.

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kahiliginger

@kahiliginger

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Posted: 7 years ago

#38

@BeyondHorizon @amritat

The way you passionately present your points of view related to the goings on in the serial is commendable. All of us empathise with Kashi because she could have been one of us, an ordinary woman with simple aspirations in her life. Women like her have always been underestimated.

On the other hand Mastani was a stunning beauty and a professionally trained singer and dancer. It is understandable that the Peshwa was mesmerised by her. Few men can overcome such heady temptation. His obsession for her was strong enough to make him ignore the pleas of his mother and brother.

Because of the lack of credible sources of information most people do not know what happened in the Peshwa family between 1729-1740, the period during which Mastani was a part of their lives.

After reading on the subject extensively I have come to the conclusion that every character involved has been grossly misunderstood due to the way they have been presented by popular media. In my book I will take care to stick to facts without trying to vilify either Mastani or anyone from the Peshwa family. Bajirao's growing obsession for Mastani and his recklessness was the real reason for all turmoil.

You are welcome follow this link to my story-

https://www.wattpad.com/story/93017969-kashibai-peshwe

@FieryHeart085 it will be a pleasure to get acquainted with you through Wattpad. Looking forward!

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kahiliginger

@kahiliginger

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Posted: 7 years ago

#39

Here are some more facts bringing out the differences between the movie Bajirao Mastani and the real story.

https://www.quora.com/Bajirao-mastani-What-is-the-difference-between-the-movie-and-reality/answer/Shilpa-M-31

Edited by kahiliginger - 7 years ago

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tanvismile

@tanvismile

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Posted: 7 years ago

#40

First time posting on this forum. Have been watching the show not religiously but I m in touch since everyone at home watching it.Just read comments on this thread I don't think they will make kashi negative considering the actress they took as kashi om the contrary mastani the actress looks a bit vampish. This is just based on first look.

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