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Glittersnow

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

i am really thinking, if it was a real life scenario ... even if sid succeds in removing afreen's hatred for india...
showing her d mirror...
if he do not exist...what life it will be for dem. ..vikram can never be happy
sobha afreen and d child will never see his father...how will happiness find dem

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

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@anshvi I am not sure whether Sid will live. But the child will live. Not in hell as he always used to tell whenver Afreen used to bring the topic of child. But in a place that child will be nurtured with love, not poisoned with hatred.

See I had always believed people are so much against love, love marriages is because it kills a lot of perceptions. War keeps the borders, but love kill the borders.

If you see the movie Bombay Mani Ratnam had gone for the same concept. I will never forget the scene in that movie where petrol or kerosene is poured over the kids and question asked " Are you a Hindu or Are you a Muslim". What answer the children will give whose father is a Hindu, Mother is a Muslim. The kids are a mix.

My thoughts are a mix because my parents had a love marriage. It helped me to see two different cultures and critically evaluate them and take what I want from both places and discard what I dont want.

I love Indian mythology and I am a student of science did B-Tech. Science has helped me to take what is good in those stories and discard the myths. Those stories have helped me to manage my thoughts than the physical space which the science asks us to do

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Beautiful post. Hoping with all my heart for a miracle.

But I don't think soldiers dying is a good thing even if there are casualties on the other side because there's a difference between the other side and the side the soldiers belong to. Sid let Jaish terrorists get killed but those were terrorists who oNly wanted destruction. Soldiers are protectors and they get martyred - they have someone like a Naz, Shaira, Salim, Vikram and Shobha waiting for them. The Jaish terrorists also have loved ones but I have zero sympathy for people who support and encourage destruction of a fellow country. And this is why i feel these two sections should not be hyphenated or clubbed together because it draws a false equivalence betweem protectors and destroyers. This is where Gurmeher Kaur erred. She equated India with Pakistan and asked 'both' the countries to stop pretending and stop killing each other and that the war killed her father and not Pakistan. But her father died on the Indian soil, he didn't invade a country, he only was protecting his country from people who wanted to snatch it away from him and Pakistan killed him for that and so many like Gurmeher had to grow up without a father. Hence, I feel soldiers dying is not a good thing even if Sid/Sadiq tries to make it look like it was all for a greater good. If he kills his own soldiers, his buddies as the armed forces like to call their fellow soldiers - I would not be able to forgive him.

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BlueJayFire

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Aahana-
Beautiful post. Hoping with all my heart for a miracle.
But I don't think soldiers dying is a good thing even if there are casualties on the other side because there's a difference between the other side and the side the soldiers belong to. Sid let Jaish terrorists get killed but those were terrorists who oNly wanted destruction. Soldiers are protectors and they get martyred - they have someone like a Naz, Shaira, Salim, Vikram and Shobha waiting for them. The Jaish terrorists also have loved ones but I have zero sympathy for people who support and encourage destruction of a fellow country. And this is why i feel these two sections should not be hyphenated or clubbed together because it draws a false equivalence betweem protectors and destroyers. This is where Gurmeher Kaur erred. She equated India with Pakistan and asked 'both' the countries to stop pretending and stop killing each other and that the war killed her father and not Pakistan. But her father died on the Indian soil, he didn't invade a country, he only was protecting his country from people who wanted to snatch it away from him and Pakistan killed him for that and so many like Gurmeher had to grow up without a father. Hence, I feel soldiers dying is not a good thing even if Sid/Sadiq tries to make it look like it was all for a greater good. If he kills his own soldiers, his buddies as the armed forces like to call their fellow soldiers - I would not be able to forgive him.

@ Bold..Spot on..totally agree..If only people can live at peace in their county.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

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@Aahana in any war casualties will be there. This is where we err. It is ok Jaish die, but our soldiers cannot die. It doesnt happen that way dear. In the war of Kurushetra it was not Kaurava army who died, Pandava army too died. Leave the army. Abhimanyu, Ghatolkach and Panchali's 5 kids died. So you will tell Krishna was bad, you wont forgive him. After all he was with Pandavas. He was holding the rein of Arjun's battle. Whenever you deal with Narayan or if you believe in him first thing you have to know is he is playing on threshold. If you are choosing him, his power is on the other side. To take power from that side some destruction at your side is also necessary. Only actions in his direction without questioning him can get you the power. I mean real power. It's a bit complicated. You have to know grey, the thresholds to understand this concept. Because if you play with black or white it is difficult or near impossible to understand.

I am not at all with Gurmehar. I completely agree with you that with that sentence she implied India was responsible for war. That was her mistake. Because India has not invaded any country. But our problem is that we have extreme defense. No one fear us. We talk of attack, but even under provocation we keep quiet. And that keeping quiet is not good for anyone. That's why we are bleeding. People like Gurmehar and other guy Umar Khalid get away with dialogues bharat ke tukde tukde hoge. Because of our extreme restraint a Kasab gets all legal service and even when he is hanged we have some human right people to protect them. Rapist of Soumya Govindachamy escapes the noose on technicality and asks for a prosthate hand boldy.

Extreme restrain is our bane. At times we have to take action to end things once and for all. Else our coming generations will suffer. We already are suffering the mistakes of Nehru and Indira Gandhi who could have closed the POK issue long back when we had the option. But then decided against it.

Criminals going scott free is our bane because of our extreme defense. Hadh se jyada kuch bhi acha nahin, defense bhi nahin.

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Swetha-Sai

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Posted: 7 years ago

#16

^ Beautiful analysis of the episode by you, Shruthi! ⭐️

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@Aahana in any war casualties will be there. This is where we err. It is ok Jaish die, but our soldiers cannot die. It doesnt happen that way dear. In the war of Kurushetra it was not Kaurava army who died, Pandava army too died. Leave the army. Abhimanyu, Ghatolkach and Panchali's 5 kids died. So you will tell Krishna was bad, you wont forgive him. After all he was with Pandavas. He was holding the rein of Arjun's battle. Whenever you deal with Narayan or if you believe in him first thing you have to know is he is playing on threshold. If you are choosing him, his power is on the other side. To take power from that side some destruction at your side is also necessary. Only actions in his direction without questioning him can get you the power. I mean real power. It's a bit complicated. You have to know grey, the thresholds to understand this concept. Because if you play with black or white it is difficult or near impossible to understand.
I am not at all with Gurmehar. I completely agree with you that with that sentence she implied India was responsible for war. That was her mistake. Because India has not invaded any country. But our problem is that we have extreme defense. No one fear us. We talk of attack, but even under provocation we keep quiet. And that keeping quiet is not good for anyone. That's why we are bleeding. People like Gurmehar and other guy Umar Khalid get away with dialogues bharat ke tukde tukde hoge. Because of our extreme restraint a Kasab gets all legal service and even when he is hanged we have some human right people to protect them. Rapist of Soumya Govindachamy escapes the noose on technicality and asks for a prosthate hand boldy.

Extreme restrain is our bane. At times we have to take action to end things once and for all. Else our coming generations will suffer. We already are suffering the mistakes of Nehru and Indira Gandhi who could have closed the POK issue long back when we had the option. But then decided against it.
Criminals going scott free is our bane because of our extreme defense. Hadh se jyada kuch bhi acha nahin, defense bhi nahin.

Yes, In a war people from both sides die. Don't think there has been any war which has given opposite results but in this context Sid is present and that is where my grouse lies. Its against Sidhanth personally because he has been an Indian army soldier and for him to kill his own collegoues to orchestrate a tamasha and teach the Government a lesson is not done. There are a lot of people in the world today who do hold people hostage just so that the establishment is taught a lesson or to send some message but is that the correct way to do it? We can agree or disagree with the message or the lesson but we can surely condemn the method. No one better than Sid knows how it is to be in a war, stuck, away from the family and what later happens to the family you leave behind. And no Shruthi, I don't think its okay for other people to die but it does matter what those other people are doing. If they are attacking your country, then yes, its okay for them to die at the hands of our soldiers who are trying to protect it. But its NOT ok for innocents to die on either side. Our Indian hearts were full of grief when Peshawar happened. Our parliament passed a resolution expressing grief and condemnation. I remember reading tweets from journalists based in Peshwar and almost couldn't sleep that night for I felt the pain they felt because we Indians know it so well. Even before the world woke up to 9/11 there were the Mumbai bomb blasts and after 9/11 so many more attacks, most infamous one being the 26/11.

I am deeply attached to Sidhanth's character but in the end I would like to see him handcuffed for holding people hostage and so much destruction of property and also for the injuries people suffered in the hospital. I may disagree or agree with his message but never with the method.

I am okay with giving Kasab a fair trial because later no one can question us but lets not even talk about those human right walas. They only see the accused's human rights and conveniently forget the victims'. They are the hypocrites of the highest level.

Ans yes, totally agree. I loathe the politics thats played with our national security and the lack of firmness when it comes to dealing with hostile neighbors. We don't even declare a state a terrorist state which has bled so many indians to death and whose President once had vowed to bleed our country with a thousand cuts. As you said because of our restrain we are seeing what we are in Kashmir today.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

@Aahana whether I will condemn the method or not depend on what the CVs are going to show me. If I get Afreen firmly on this side, with no causalities to any kids, I am fine with the method. But I prefer he dies. Because everyone has seen Sadiq, let Sid live through the child. No handcuffs for him.

But if we dont get Afreen on this side. Yusuf is not going to harm her, there is no transformation in her. Any child causalities in his so called mission of teaching the government, then some final repentance when Sobha comes in, then CVs have lost it. Nor their intend, neither the method was right.

Because then they are showing India was responsible for Peshawar, which I dont agree to. Second by highlighting some terrorist trial they are bringing up Afsal Guru also. If by any chance they white wash the Jaish as humans, an Indian soldier went there and knew the humane side of Jaish, Afsal was innocent who was hanged, well I would say they lost it completely after such a solid theme.

Why I say so is that they did it in Dahleez. They gave a speech telling if the name of the culprit was a Hindu name he wont be persecuted, only because it was a Muslim name he and his family was persecuted. I would have loved to see how the ego of the female protagonist was put down by showing how her husband played the side role by supporting her, trusting her which the CVs didnt show. For all I loved about Dahleez that concluding speech hurt, because in our country the second minority community gets the utmost protection. To tell it happened because of a Muslim name was really in bad taste. You can always push the envelope, put a better screenplay to get the message across.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#19

I would like to add one thing , civilians did dies in Hospital Blast .

there was a scene shown , where the dead bodies were lying on the floor when Blast happened.

Also I agree with Aahana here , I strongly against death of Civilains or any NSG Commandos .

Yes Commandos die in war situatiins .

But this situation created (IF) by Siddhant is different , he may have a bigger agenda , a noble one but for that if he is ok with People dying then I am sorry , I am very against this agenda of Siddhant .

\Right now He really loooks like a Mad-man , who wants to give his Maqsad - an Anjaam and does not care for people's life .

And this itself is so against his Character .

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Posted: 7 years ago

#20

@Shruthi Don't know how they will be accommodating Afreen on the Indian side. The woman enjoys seeing India and Indians suffering, even if she realizes that India had no role to play in Hussain's death, her sudden transformation from a hater to a supporter of India will be as unbelievable as Sid's has been to Sadiq. She hated India even before the Peshwar attack happened hence kept telling Hussain to stay away from Sid - and for such a deep seated hatred to go away within moments would be a blunder. After all she has been an indirect part of mission Badshah. The child deserves a fair chance but don't know if its possible with his/her mother around.

Haven't seen Dahleez but the humanization of Afzal guru or for that matter even Yakub memon is a terrible path to tread on. Don't think the director will take that risk since these were convicted terrorists. And I don't want Thadani's hand prints anywhere near Peshawar even by mistake. It would be like Ambani funded those terrorists.

This has been a major problem with this show. The characters and events are almost based on real events. The defence minster, Govind mehta if anyone has noticed is exactly like Manohar parrikar. The style of dressing, the moustache and even the specs which open from the middle. The resemblance is uncanny and same goes with Sushma Swaraj's lookalike as the home minister. Thadani is the fictional Ambani and the Peshwar attacks are clearly shown. I hope they are careful while showing anything against these characters for that would mean casting aspersions on the real ones to some extent.

@Rollingstones I am actually confused about the people dying in the hospital. Did they or did they not? Because the top cop said there were no civilian casualties in the hospital or were those early reports and they still need to learn about the deaths? Because its highly unlikely anyone near to that door which exploded would not suffer fatal injuries. Hoping there will be some clarity on this very soon.

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