Why did only Afreen know?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Okay, so for the past few episodes, everyone in Jaish has been going crazy, because they thought Sadiq had betrayed them. Except Afreen (and Ibrahim. Why is everyone suddenly named Ibrahim?). Why didn't she just tell them from the start that Sadiq was still Sadiq? Why did Lala say that it was something only she could know? Because having Yusuf and the others in on the plan would make sense, wouldn't it? And I'm sure they would be more than willing to play along... Why this secrecy? What good came of it? Was there a reason that I'm missing, aside from keeping quiet so as to not jeopardize the mission? If Sadiq is truly a part of Jaish, why not share his plans instead of warranting hate from the group members?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Sadiq (no point in calling him Sid anymore) seems to have genuinely lost it.He is somehow determined to play God by deciding who is going to live and who isn't.He weeds out everyone he doesn't trust.Frankly speaking i don't think he gives a damn about other members of Jaish .All he wants is his demented wife Afreen and a foolish devoted boy Ibrahim to look after her.He is ready to sacrifice the lives of thousands of his new found militant comarades .Sadiq is unjust and unfair.He somehow thinks that he is the authority that can put a price on the lives of people around him.The guy has turned out to be a delusional and dreadful cold blooded beast.His tenderness and love for one boy and a loco woman doesn't justify this genocide on both sides.Can't believe that he managed to
O brainwash Lala into destroying something he has nutured all his life .He has got someskills but that did not help him from tripping from that big cliff called sanity.
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Originally posted by: AMJflora

Sadiq (no point in calling him Sid anymore) seems to have genuinely lost it.He is somehow determined to play God by deciding who is going to live and who isn't.He weeds out everyone he doesn't trust.Frankly speaking i don't think he gives a damn about other members of Jaish .All he wants is his demented wife Afreen and a foolish devoted boy Ibrahim to look after her.He is ready to sacrifice the lives of thousands of his new found militant comarades .Sadiq is unjust and unfair.He somehow thinks that he is the authority that can put a price on the lives of people around him.The guy has turned out to be a delusional and dreadful cold blooded beast.His tenderness and love for one boy and a loco woman doesn't justify this genocide on both sides.Can't believe that he managed to

O brainwash Lala into destroying something he has nutured all his life .He has got someskills but that did not help him from tripping from that big cliff called sanity.


That's got to be it. I mean, I would think that he's loyal to one side, Jaish. But the only thing he's loyal to is revenge. That's what drives him. He doesn't even see Hussain in Rohan, and instead treats him like an enemy. He attacked one of "his own" camps without warning. In all this craze, he totally lost himself in his own agenda. This is all personal.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheMachine

Okay, so for the past few episodes, everyone in Jaish has been going crazy, because they thought Sadiq had betrayed them. Except Afreen (and Ibrahim. Why is everyone suddenly named Ibrahim?). Why didn't she just tell them from the start that Sadiq was still Sadiq? Why did Lala say that it was something only she could know? Because having Yusuf and the others in on the plan would make sense, wouldn't it? And I'm sure they would be more than willing to play along... Why this secrecy? What good came of it? Was there a reason that I'm missing, aside from keeping quiet so as to not jeopardize the mission? If Sadiq is truly a part of Jaish, why not share his plans instead of warranting hate from the group members?



Still logically speaking it doesn't make any sense...So far Siddhant had been shown as a man who was driven by love and compassion...Even as Sadiq he had immense humanity that he got close to a stranger kid, bonded with him and loved him unconditionally so much so that his death tore him apart..He fell in Love with Afreen.

He is the same man who while in Pakistan asked Ibrahim not to do any bloodshed n said that if Yusuf wants to talk to him then let him come to him directly without any bloodshed.

Yesterday he asked Ibrahim Shaikh not to fire.

He is the same man who told Vikram that humanity is above all.

He is the same man who told Afreen that he doesn't want to bring an innocent life in this horrible world "Yeh Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"

I HAVE NO CLUE why writers showed him this way when they were meant to show him as a heartless terrorist.

If we say that he is driven by revenge then he shouldn't have said or done those things at all..He should have asked Ibrahim to shoot Yusuf or anyone who came in the way, he shouldn't have asked Ibrahim not to fire,He should't have stated that "Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"; he shouldn't have told Vikram that humanity is above all if for him REVENGE is what matters!

I would have been okay with Sid's transformation into Sadiq had I not had seen his human side even while he was Sadiq.

It baffles me that writers made this character say something and then do the exact opposite !

What were the writers thinking!

It doesn't make sense to me at all.




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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: anshvi



Still logically speaking it doesn't make any sense...So far Siddhant had been shown as a man who was driven by love and compassion...Even as Sadiq he had immense humanity that he got close to a stranger kid, bonded with him and loved him unconditionally so much so that his death tore him apart..He fell in Love with Afreen.

He is the same man who while in Pakistan asked Ibrahim not to do any bloodshed n said that if Yusuf wants to talk to him then let him come to him directly without any bloodshed.

Yesterday he asked Ibrahim Shaikh not to fire.

He is the same man who told Vikram that humanity is above all.

He is the same man who told Afreen that he doesn't want to bring an innocent life in this horrible world "Yeh Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"

I HAVE NO CLUE why writers showed him this way when they were meant to show him as a heartless terrorist.

If we say that he is driven by revenge then he shouldn't have said or done those things at all..He should have asked Ibrahim to shoot Yusuf or anyone who came in the way, he shouldn't have asked Ibrahim not to fire,He should't have stated that "Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"; he shouldn't have told Vikram that humanity is above all if for him REVENGE is what matters!

I would have been okay with Sid's transformation into Sadiq had I not had seen his human side even while he was Sadiq.

It baffles me that writers made this character say something and then do the exact opposite !

What were the writers thinking!

It doesn't make sense to me at all.





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I am not able to think any thing this show has taken over my mind .
Hope they show logical ending and some happy moments after climax
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: anshvi



Still logically speaking it doesn't make any sense...So far Siddhant had been shown as a man who was driven by love and compassion...Even as Sadiq he had immense humanity that he got close to a stranger kid, bonded with him and loved him unconditionally so much so that his death tore him apart..He fell in Love with Afreen.

He is the same man who while in Pakistan asked Ibrahim not to do any bloodshed n said that if Yusuf wants to talk to him then let him come to him directly without any bloodshed.

Yesterday he asked Ibrahim Shaikh not to fire.

He is the same man who told Vikram that humanity is above all.

He is the same man who told Afreen that he doesn't want to bring an innocent life in this horrible world "Yeh Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"

I HAVE NO CLUE why writers showed him this way when they were meant to show him as a heartless terrorist.

If we say that he is driven by revenge then he shouldn't have said or done those things at all..He should have asked Ibrahim to shoot Yusuf or anyone who came in the way, he shouldn't have asked Ibrahim not to fire,He should't have stated that "Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"; he shouldn't have told Vikram that humanity is above all if for him REVENGE is what matters!

I would have been okay with Sid's transformation into Sadiq had I not had seen his human side even while he was Sadiq.

It baffles me that writers made this character say something and then do the exact opposite !

What were the writers thinking!

It doesn't make sense to me at all.





I see what you're saying, but in the sense that Sadiq has been saying one thing and doing another, I interpreted it very differently. The whole point of having Sadiq's actions and words like this was very deliberate. It shows how he is still driven by the compassion and love we saw in him as Siddhant. However, now we see how his perception of displaying that same compassion and love is a world apart. It shows how one change in his life changed his reasons, not necessarily his drive.

Also, he maintains a bit of rationality, which comes to light when he doesn't want bloodshed, or doesn't kill Yusuf, or tells Ibrahim not to fire. Just because he is motivated by revenge, it doesn't mean he doesn't think before acting, because he knows that he needs to plan in order to be successful. The character described in your post is more like Yusuf, hot-headed, rash, and excited, who is there partly to show the contrast.

While all this doesn't seem rational to us, it is to Sadiq, because he doesn't draw the line the same way we do. To him and us, the previously stated is a correct behavior. However, what he's doing right now, that's putting humanity above all else for him. In his mind, he's doing what's best for humanity, by removing the people who hurt other people. While the similarity between the people who killed Hussain and Sadiq is apparent to us, it's not for Sadiq. They weren't human. He is, and this is why he's getting justice, his way. His methods are different, but morally justified to him. This is the way the rules apply for his situation.

And I would say that there's nothing out of character for him to say the camp is hell for children. Because that's directly a result of Hussain's death.

Lastly, I think that "heartless terrorist" is an interesting way to describe him. It seems to work simply because he's resorted to violence like this. But to say that he's heartless may not be entirely true, because while that coldness and detachment to the people from his past is there, his biggest influence is his heart, which doesn't let him let go of Hussain, which needs revenge, which fears for Afreen's safety.

So, in this way, Sadiq's character makes absolute sense.
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I am not able to think any thing this show has taken over my mind .
Hope they show logical ending and some happy moments after climax


Do check out my post above!
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I see what you're saying, but in the sense that Sadiq has been saying one thing and doing another, I interpreted it very differently. The whole point of having Sadiq's actions and words like this was very deliberate. It shows how he is still driven by the compassion and love we saw in him as Siddhant. However, now we see how his perception of displaying that same compassion and love is a world apart. It shows how one change in his life changed his reasons, not necessarily his drive.

Also, he maintains a bit of rationality, which comes to light when he doesn't want bloodshed, or doesn't kill Yusuf, or tells Ibrahim not to fire. Just because he is motivated by revenge, it doesn't mean he doesn't think before acting, because he knows that he needs to plan in order to be successful. The character described in your post is more like Yusuf, hot-headed, rash, and excited, who is there partly to show the contrast.

While all this doesn't seem rational to us, it is to Sadiq, because he doesn't draw the line the same way we do. To him and us, the previously stated is a correct behavior. However, what he's doing right now, that is putting humanity above all else for him. In his mind, he's doing what's best for humanity, by removing the people who hurt other people. His methods are different, but morally justified to him. This is the way the rules apply for his situation.

And I would say that there's nothing out of character for him to say the camp is hell for children. Because that's directly a result of Hussain's death.

Lastly, I think that "heartless terrorist" is an interesting way to describe him. It seems to work simply because he's resorted to violence like this. But to say that he's heartless may not be entirely true, because while that coldness and detachment to the people from his past is there, his biggest influence is his heart, which doesn't let him let go of Hussain, which needs revenge, which fears for Afreen's safety.

So, in this way, Sadiq's character makes absolute sense.



because while that coldness and detachment to the people from his past is there, his biggest influence is his heart, which doesn't let him let go of Hussain, which needs revenge, which fears for Afreen's safety.
See exactly my point...How can a man who is driven by heart can cause a terrorist attack on the hospital...He wants revenge for an innocent's death but doing what killing many innocent lives by attacking the hospital...IS'T HE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING AGAINST WHICH HE IS SEEKING REVENGE ! Taking away innocent lives...Is he sure there no other Hussain who can die in the hospital ?

In his mind, he's doing what's best for humanity, by removing the people who hurt other people. His methods are different, but morally justified to him. This is the way the rules apply for his situation.

If he had kidnapped Minsiter and Thadani and wanted to know the truth then it is justifiable...REMOVING THE PEOPLE WHO HURT OTHER PEOPLE...BUT THE PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL DID NOT HURT ANYONE..THEY ARE LIKE HUSSAIN...INNOCENT...Is Siddhant this dumb that he doesn't get it ?
He is not a brainwashed JEHADI for god's sake...He was shown as man who seeks revenge from those who took away innocent lives..When did he all of a sudden became brainwashed terrorist?

How are his actions even justified to him ? Why this the way rules apply for his situation...He doesn't have a split personality...Sadiq and Sid are within him...there are 2 sides of the same man...So, if he was capable of loving a stranger how come all of a sudden he is not capable of loving his own nephew...Why he did't see Hussain in Rohan...For me writers have messed it up BIG TIME!

In fact what u have stated for Sadiq is rather true for Yusuf...He is a heartless terrorist for him "Eye for an eye is the way to go...For him innocent lives don't matter.. he will not flinch before killing an unborn child. It is expected of him but not from SADIQ/Siddhant

But Sadiq/Sid is NOT THAT HEARTLESS TERRORIST..How could writers show him that...This was YUSUF AND NOT SADIQ...Like you said He is indeed influenced by heart or so the writers showed earlier before making a 360 degree u turn on his character.
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Still logically speaking it doesn't make any sense...So far Siddhant had been shown as a man who was driven by love and compassion...Even as Sadiq he had immense humanity that he got close to a stranger kid, bonded with him and loved him unconditionally so much so that his death tore him apart..He fell in Love with Afreen.

He is the same man who while in Pakistan asked Ibrahim not to do any bloodshed n said that if Yusuf wants to talk to him then let him come to him directly without any bloodshed.

Yesterday he asked Ibrahim Shaikh not to fire.

He is the same man who told Vikram that humanity is above all.

He is the same man who told Afreen that he doesn't want to bring an innocent life in this horrible world "Yeh Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"

I HAVE NO CLUE why writers showed him this way when they were meant to show him as a heartless terrorist.

If we say that he is driven by revenge then he shouldn't have said or done those things at all..He should have asked Ibrahim to shoot Yusuf or anyone who came in the way, he shouldn't have asked Ibrahim not to fire,He should't have stated that "Jagah bacchon ke lie jhannum hai"; he shouldn't have told Vikram that humanity is above all if for him REVENGE is what matters!

I would have been okay with Sid's transformation into Sadiq had I not had seen his human side even while he was Sadiq.

It baffles me that writers made this character say something and then do the exact opposite !

What were the writers thinking!

It doesn't make sense to me at all.


and adding to ur list, when he was in Pakistan he once even stopped Yusuf from firing on common people... " Kisi begunah ko maarne se acha, tu mujhpe goli chala.. ", these were his clear words.. He was ready to die in order to save an innocent life.. Someone whom he didn't know personally or was not even attached to... He was just another person whom he saved from Yusuf when Yusuf was killing people just for fun... 😕

Climax of such a strong script needs to be even more powerful... Dnt know what the writers will show...🥺
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because while that coldness and detachment to the people from his past is there, his biggest influence is his heart, which doesn't let him let go of Hussain, which needs revenge, which fears for Afreen's safety.
See exactly my point...How can a man who is driven by heart can cause a terrorist attack on the hospital...He wants revenge for an innocent's death but doing what killing many innocent lives by attacking the hospital...IS'T HE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING AGAINST WHICH HE IS SEEKING REVENGE ! Taking away innocent lives...Is he sure there no other Hussain who can die in the hospital ?

In his mind, he's doing what's best for humanity, by removing the people who hurt other people. His methods are different, but morally justified to him. This is the way the rules apply for his situation.

If he had kidnapped Minsiter and Thadani and wanted to know the truth then it is justifiable...REMOVING THE PEOPLE WHO HURT OTHER PEOPLE...BUT THE PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL DID NOT HURT ANYONE..THEY ARE LIKE HUSSAIN...INNOCENT...Is Siddhant this dumb that he doesn't get it ?
He is not a brainwashed JEHADI for god's sake...He was shown as man who seeks revenge from those who took away innocent lives..When did he all of a sudden became brainwashed terrorist?

How are his actions even justified to him ? Why this the way rules apply for his situation...He doesn't have a split personality...Sadiq and Sid are within him...there are 2 sides of the same man...So, if he was capable of loving a stranger how come all of a sudden he is not capable of loving his own nephew...Why he did't see Hussain in Rohan...For me writers have messed it up BIG TIME!

In fact what u have stated for Sadiq is rather true for Yusuf...He is a heartless terrorist for him "Eye for an eye is the way to go...For him innocent lives don't matter.. he will not flinch before killing an unborn child. It is expected of him but not from SADIQ/Siddhant

But Sadiq/Sid is NOT THAT HEARTLESS TERRORIST..How could writers show him that...This was YUSUF AND NOT SADIQ...Like you said He is indeed influenced by heart or so the writers showed earlier before making a 360 degree u turn on his character.


Hmm, do we know for certain that Sadiq is in charge of the attack on the hospital at this point? I mean, I don't know who else could he responsible, but I am still hoping that it's not him, or that he was using it just to show what it's like to have innocent people hurt, while not intending to kill them. If this is not the case, then I agree that taking the lives of innocents doesn't fit with my characterization of him.

But I stand by the idea that Sadiq is driven by his heart. Not yours, not mine, but his. He feels differently and acts differently than we would. The place that Afreen and Hussain hold in his heart at this point is miles above the place that his Indian relations hold. That's the point. If his actions were not justified to him, he would not be Sadiq, and he would not be doing what he's doing right now. Taking away his justification removes the entire character.

Also, he is no longer Sid. While pieces of Sid remain, the person we're dealing with right now is Sadiq. So we can't expect him to act like Sid.
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