What the HELL did I just see !? - Page 5

Originally posted by: anshvi

@RollingStone

I agree that Naaz was there to guide Imaan but conscience plays a very important role as well in showing the right path to the person.

And as we both agree no concrete reason has been given by the makers to justify Sid's transformation.

Also any reason will not justify for anybody let alone a soldier to turn against his own country especially if that reason is given by a terrorist

Siddhant was aware about the fact that Lala was the one who tortured them for 15 years..lala was the leader of Jaish which is terrorist organisation and their aim is to destroy India. Sid is aware about this also

M not sure if any reason can justify Sid supporting a man like Lala.

Yes people do change and CIRCUMSTANCES DO CHANGE PEOPLE.

Sid is also not the same person he was 17 years ago.

Circumstances can change a soldier as he is human too.

But if circumstances can get the better of us and can change us for the worse then I m not sure we are strong enough...If circumstances can force us and bring out the worse in us then it's not vulnerability but a weakness.

Being VULNERABLE AND BEING WRONG ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS...Sid falling in love with Afreen , bonding with Hussain , crying in the prison , feeling sympathetic to a dying Lala shows his VULNERABLE side but showing him turn against his own country shows that he is WRONG

If harsh circumstances can break a soldier and can turn him against his own nation and force him to take a wrong path..I am not sure if this is what I would want to watch and would want to believe.

Soldiers can be vulnerable , they can cry , they can breakdown also but their country will is what triumphs all...their will power is steel like and their life becomes that of the nation as mentioned in the show...nothing comes above nation for them.

I just feel this is what should be highlighted through this show.

There are lots of ways to show the vulnerable side of soldiers (like Imaan ans Sartaj almost agreeing to plant the bomb, Sid falling in love with Afreen etc.)

This show has beautifully shown their vulnerable and human side...they should highlight their patriotism and strong country will.

I will prefer watching this cliche anyday😊

Okay, hear this out without the budding anger at Sid, for just one minute.
So okay Iman had the conscience and everything - true, but the very fact that Sid's conscience exists or not is yet not explored. Trust me it's not. When we thought he turned, he hadn't and then now it's the opposite. So Let's see what happens first and then come to proper full fledged conclusions.
Also see maybe he has turned now (which is all the more thrilling considering if he was all goody two shoes from now itself it wouldn't make POW all that interesting, something the show is known for).
Remember one thing, Siddhant is known for hitting the bulls eye. Remember always, and wait.

Originally posted by: anshvi

@RollingStone

I agree that Naaz was there to guide Imaan but conscience plays a very important role as well in showing the right path to the person.

And as we both agree no concrete reason has been given by the makers to justify Sid's transformation.

Also any reason will not justify for anybody let alone a soldier to turn against his own country especially if that reason is given by a terrorist

Siddhant was aware about the fact that Lala was the one who tortured them for 15 years..lala was the leader of Jaish which is terrorist organisation and their aim is to destroy India. Sid is aware about this also

M not sure if any reason can justify Sid supporting a man like Lala.

Yes people do change and CIRCUMSTANCES DO CHANGE PEOPLE.

Sid is also not the same person he was 17 years ago.

Circumstances can change a soldier as he is human too.

But if circumstances can get the better of us and can change us for the worse then I m not sure we are strong enough...If circumstances can force us and bring out the worse in us then it's not vulnerability but a weakness.

Being VULNERABLE AND BEING WRONG ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS...Sid falling in love with Afreen , bonding with Hussain , crying in the prison , feeling sympathetic to a dying Lala shows his VULNERABLE side but showing him turn against his own country shows that he is WRONG

If harsh circumstances can break a soldier and can turn him against his own nation and force him to take a wrong path..I am not sure if this is what I would want to watch and would want to believe.

Soldiers can be vulnerable , they can cry , they can breakdown also but their country will is what triumphs all...their will power is steel like and their life becomes that of the nation as mentioned in the show...nothing comes above nation for them.

I just feel this is what should be highlighted through this show.

There are lots of ways to show the vulnerable side of soldiers (like Imaan ans Sartaj almost agreeing to plant the bomb, Sid falling in love with Afreen etc.)

This show has beautifully shown their vulnerable and human side...they should highlight their patriotism and strong country will.

I will prefer watching this cliche anyday 😊

Originally posted by: AttractiveAdya

Okay, hear this out without the budding anger at Sid, for just one minute.
So okay Iman had the conscience and everything - true, but the very fact that Sid's conscience exists or not is yet not explored. Trust me it's not. When we thought he turned, he hadn't and then now it's the opposite. So Let's see what happens first and then come to proper full fledged conclusions.
Also see maybe he has turned now (which is all the more thrilling considering if he was all goody two shoes from now itself it wouldn't make POW all that interesting, something the show is known for).
Remember one thing, Siddhant is known for hitting the bulls eye. Remember always, and wait.

Originally posted by: _barbie

it depends , " asli plan kya hai koi nahi janta" was meant for audiences or for those in the show who were told about the plan of kidnapping thadanis

and , in lala's own words , biggest dushman for pakistani side is govind mehta , so case mission badshah is not the real plan , killing govind mehta can be...

overall those points work both ways

completely agree with ur last line

Originally posted by: AttractiveAdya

Okay, hear this out without the budding anger at Sid, for just one minute.
So okay Iman had the conscience and everything - true, but the very fact that Sid's conscience exists or not is yet not explored. Trust me it's not. When we thought he turned, he hadn't and then now it's the opposite. So Let's see what happens first and then come to proper full fledged conclusions.
Also see maybe he has turned now (which is all the more thrilling considering if he was all goody two shoes from now itself it wouldn't make POW all that interesting, something the show is known for).
Remember one thing, Siddhant is known for hitting the bulls eye. Remember always, and wait.

Originally posted by: anshvi

To say that Sid doesn't have conscience will be unfair...he was the one who broke down coz he had to hit Imaan his fellow soldier , he was the one who asked Sartaj to go ahead and kill him as Jai had to die , he did have conscience and although we don't know the whole picture but I would personally want Sid to be Sid...I would want such clichs if they give us a feeling of patriotism and happiness

As u said that Sid is called bulls eye Sid for a reason , I hope his target is to destroy Jaish completely .

This is what I would personally want to watch

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying too. It's not about cliche, making it clear, what I'm trying to say is that it just won't be fun if he right away gave away as a patriot yaar. Relax! Let's see how him and his entire plan unfolds. 😉

To be honest I'm happy by twist.It would have been too cliched if they would have go to show slodiers don't ever change.Anurag was so brilliant.Sartaj is suspecting him already.I guess they may show how lala type ppl manipulate abt jihad and all.

Originally posted by: anshvi

I don't think it is putting unnessary pressure on the soldiers...nobody judges them...Sartaj planted bomb to protect his family but no one judged him...Imaan even was planning to the same them and we didn't judge him coz we all knew their situation.

Siddhant started reading Quaran coz he was a nastik before but after Hussain gifted him Quran he started reading it then followed it. .which is beautiful I feel.

He fell in love with Afreen but nobody judged him coz we all know he is human and is very natural to fall in love with a person who cares for u even it she happens to be the National enemy's daughter.

He bonded with Hussain and we didn't judge him coz again no where it says that a soldier can't form a bond with a neighbouring nation's kid.

All the above showcase a soldier's human and vulnerable side and it si beautiful to say the least.

But to show that a soldier who believed in these sayings - country above all, ek soldier ki jaan uski Desh ki hoti hai, once a soldier always a soldier , who believed that India is a great country as a thakur , khan and a Jat can eat together in harmony, whom 15 years of torture couldn't break, if now we are shown that the very same soldier who had pledged to protect his nation has turned against his own nation without a single concrete reason - for me this is not a Nayi Soch and doesn't make sense.

Defence people can be the most human people we ever come across but their country will and love for their nation is something which is super strong and that should be showcased through the show as well is what I feel

(Sorry it is just purely my opinion😊)

word 👍🏼 I completely agree with what u said

Originally posted by: anshvi

@RollingStone

I agree that Naaz was there to guide Imaan but conscience plays a very important role as well in showing the right path to the person.

And as we both agree no concrete reason has been given by the makers to justify Sid's transformation.

Also any reason will not justify for anybody let alone a soldier to turn against his own country especially if that reason is given by a terrorist

Siddhant was aware about the fact that Lala was the one who tortured them for 15 years..lala was the leader of Jaish which is terrorist organisation and their aim is to destroy India. Sid is aware about this also

M not sure if any reason can justify Sid supporting a man like Lala.

Yes people do change and CIRCUMSTANCES DO CHANGE PEOPLE.

Sid is also not the same person he was 17 years ago.

Circumstances can change a soldier as he is human too.

But if circumstances can get the better of us and can change us for the worse then I m not sure we are strong enough...If circumstances can force us and bring out the worse in us then it's not vulnerability but a weakness.

Being VULNERABLE AND BEING WRONG ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS...Sid falling in love with Afreen , bonding with Hussain , crying in the prison , feeling sympathetic to a dying Lala shows his VULNERABLE side but showing him turn against his own country shows that he is WRONG

If harsh circumstances can break a soldier and can turn him against his own nation and force him to take a wrong path..I am not sure if this is what I would want to watch and would want to believe.

Soldiers can be vulnerable , they can cry , they can breakdown also but their country will is what triumphs all...their will power is steel like and their life becomes that of the nation as mentioned in the show...nothing comes above nation for them.

I just feel this is what should be highlighted through this show.

There are lots of ways to show the vulnerable side of soldiers (like Imaan ans Sartaj almost agreeing to plant the bomb, Sid falling in love with Afreen etc.)

This show has beautifully shown their vulnerable and human side...they should highlight their patriotism and strong country will.

I will prefer watching this cliche anyday😊

Also do not forget imaan & sartaj did not want to plant the bomb. they were being forced to by their families under threat. here Sid is doing everything willingly. so we cannot even compare both situations

Originally posted by: naq5

Also do not forget imaan & sartaj did not want to plant the bomb. they were being forced to by their families under threat. here Sid is doing everything willingly. so we cannot even compare both situations