Some disappointments. The missing Soch.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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There were few things which made me watch this show - The cast, cinematography and the hope that finally we would for real have 2 female characters who would form the basis of the show.
It is not that desi shows have had no female characters..heck the trp brigade runs on a female template but the "nayi soch" that I was looking for , was in writing of female characters. I am aware in tv medium or otherwise, it's hard to project realism but I was looking for realism in terms of writing especially when the show build the writing as it's USP and which claims to be different from the rest.


Harleen- I would be honest when I say , apart from fab acting, cinematography this was a very common template- a goody , brave Bahu who held the family together..gets betrayed and would rise from the ashes. I have no problems with the template, as long as treatment is decent. Shout-out, the whole Sartaaj PTSD was stupidly handled , comeon for a show looking for being different - therapy session, won't have been a huge logisitical problem . Army does provide it for these cases. Whatever, guess what i am trying to say, the path for both harleen and Sartaaj be simple and straight now. I hope the show handles it well.


Naaz- This is where my interest rested.The nuance and the realism. Unlike Harleen, Naaz is aware of the prison she too was in. She struggled with a dilemma of letting go of her past and taking a new road . The guilt . The need to stay in this marriage for kids, herself- because it still is comfort. The choices she will make . You don't need to pit Salim vs Imaan but all I wanted was to see Naaz making a decision , whatever it might be. It had to be about her "freedom", voice.
Her fear, her guilt, her decisions. The story of her fate MUST be driven by her.

But what has been happening- Imaan vs Salim. Glorification of Imaan. First was the cheating - no effing way was it planned earlier or even if it was , this undermined Naaz beyond. It made her story about the man.

The Nikaah. I am sorry, I am don't see the revolutionary things. The "Good" MIL angle has been working since Tulsi days. Been there, done that. The whole Imaan lying about divorce , moving on ..etc again reflects upon the "Man" being the catalyst of the a woman's story. You have undermined your female character . Naaz has not been a factor of any personal equations around herself. People are taking her decisions. Characters aka Imaan is build up to sort her equation. Like the weird "daddy is best" angle for the daughter..rather than letting the complexities be ..the show has used up Naaz's nuance, dilemma and situation as a catalyst and a plot to built another character aka the more famous, trp-bait, Imaan.

Neither does the token step by Naaz to not choose anyone and reject Imaan impress me. Sorry, many tv youth shows have done that ..meh. Doesn't matter when you handover the sympathy flag to the ML. Thats just tokenism

I have no problems if you want to show Imaan as your central character but if you use him to run the equation of the female character whose nuances you have used in promos and sell it in the name of "nayi soch" , then you are doing what the trp driven shows do.

Again, this is not a bashing post. I am just disappointed to see how Naaz's story is so driven by what Imaan does or represents, the good , the bad and the in-between.

This show is a reflection on millions of Defense wives who live in the uncertainty . It should have been about that wife- who looks at her relationships , decides what her life would be when the uncertainty turns into a reality and the changes it brings to her life. The fears- of who was lost, what will come . The safety of her set-system, people. The apprehension of living with a man she thought would never come. What does she look for in that moment- love, safety, family. Naaz's pendulum should have been about herself not pulled by Imaan, Mrs Khan, Salim or anyone.


Till then I remain disappointed with this show, probably more so because it promised a "Nayi Soch.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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This show is named PoW, Bandi Yuddh Ke. The men who were captured in war, and the women they left behind, trapped in the prison of not knowing. Seventeen years' worth of trauma and uncertainty trapped within the need to survive and move on. I saw all of it in the beginning, in all four protagonists. Still do in Harleen and Sartaaj, even if they were not the compelling pair somehow. But Naaz and Imaan, there was so much complexity there, so much waiting beneath the surface, and now all I see is two men trying to outdo each other at the altar of sacrificial love. I don't see the woman being given the space to express herself, or the ramifications of the dilemma she was supposed to be in after having lived as a "pendulum" all these years. And that's a letdown. If this is supposed to be Naaz's journey towards a freedom of sorts, then I want to see her earning it herself, rather than it being gifted by two heroic men driven by guilt and responsibility. It's the writers' story to tell, and hopefully they'll address this in whatever is coming up.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Both Harleen and Naaz waited for 17 yrs is because there was not closure for them , but right now what Sartaj and Imaan has done I see it as Closure given by both of them so that finally both Harleen and Naaz be no POW .



This Closure was something only Sartaj and Imaan could have given ,they did it ..now the way chosen could be inappropriate . How story is taken from this point is something I want to see , esp how they handle Naaz and Imaan's story . But what's majorly bothering me right now is it's slow pace .
Hoping things are picked up from next weeks ... or else I am almost at the verge of taking break .

Great post CG ... and hello !!!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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This. So. Much.

The last few weeks of the show - ever since Naz announced her decision to stay with Imaan - have been greatly disturbing to me. Imaan is definitely the fan favorite. I will not deny that my own feelings towards him have been rather fangirly! But the truth is, I started watching and following the show because it seemed to be about the two women, most of all. And the way these two women characters (and also Shaira) have been put down for the benefit of the male characters - Imaan, particularly - has been extremely disappointing to me. The cheating track was all kinds of trash to me, and now I am honestly wondering why I should even stick with this show anymore. Unlike a lot of people, I am not at all interested in Vikram's personal life and his equation with his wife and child.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Naaz- This is where my interest rested.The nuance and the realism. Unlike Harleen, Naaz is aware of the prison she too was in. She struggled with a dilemma of letting go of her past and taking a new road . The guilt . The need to stay in this marriage for kids, herself- because it still is comfort. The choices she will make . You don't need to pit Salim vs Imaan but all I wanted was to see Naaz making a decision , whatever it might be. It had to be about her "freedom", voice.

Her fear, her guilt, her decisions. The story of her fate MUST be driven by her.


I found it interesting when she chose Imaan over Salim, not least because I do not believe that she was ever really in love with Salim - but I wanted to see them really explore what the decision meant for her. Will she be happy? She does not want to hurt Imaan, but what about herself? Is it terrifying? Is it confusing? Is it simply numbing? The next time she looks at Salim, will she be able to live with her choice? Did she ever really love Salim or is she guilty because she pities him? The next time she looks at Imaan, will she kind of resent him for making things so difficult all of a sudden? How will she deal with that guilt? But we got none of that and the story shifted to how Shaira was silly for not accepting Imaan as her abbu - when it just wasn't about that?

Originally posted by: charminggenie

But what has been happening- Imaan vs Salim. Glorification of Imaan. First was the cheating - no effing way was it planned earlier or even if it was , this undermined Naaz beyond. It made her story about the man.


Oh God... this entire track has been so so shitty. I also have no doubt that this wasn't planned at all. The only thing I got out of this track was that neither the two brothers nor the narrative really, can show Naz any kind of respect. And by that, I don't mean that it is the cheating alone that I have a problem with (although I do VERY much), it is that these two men have no respect for her agency. Salim will decide what to do with the letter and when - or if at all - she should know the truth, Imaan will decide when she gets to be free of her guilt... I mean, does she have any say at all? The worst part was Imaan and Salim teaming up and deciding that hiding the truth from her was, in fact, the best decision because... it is what is good for Naz, right? She is a delicate, fragile being after all, who must be protected from terrible truths now that all is well in her life! We decide what is good for her. Does Naz ever get to decide what is right for her? When does she get to make her own choice about herself?

Originally posted by: charminggenie


The Nikaah. I am sorry, I am don't see the revolutionary things. The "Good" MIL angle has been working since Tulsi days. Been there, done that. The whole Imaan lying about divorce , moving on ..etc again reflects upon the "Man" being the catalyst of the a woman's story. You have undermined your female character . Naaz has not been a factor of any personal equations around herself. People are taking her decisions. Characters aka Imaan is build up to sort her equation. Like the weird "daddy is best" angle for the daughter..rather than letting the complexities be ..the show has used up Naaz's nuance, dilemma and situation as a catalyst and a plot to built another character aka the more famous, trp-bait, Imaan.


Word. Allow me to bring up Shaira as well. I thought she was fantastic. Firmly committed to the belief that her mother deserves happiness and that she should choose her happiness. Someone who could see the utter confusion her mother was experiencing since Imaan's return. Someone who isn't unhappy that Imaan is back, no... because she isn't cruel. More like, she saw her mother choose Salim after years and years of utter confusion and misery and now she can see that she is once again in a place where she does not really know what to do.

All of this, all this dilemma, all these thoughts... they tossed out of the window and they have reduced Shaira to a cheerleader because like you said... the weird "Abbu is best" angle, when it was NEVER about that. It wasn't about Imaan. Not in my eyes. It was about Naz. What a way to build a character and then destroy it for the sake of the more popular character.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Neither does the token step by Naaz to not choose anyone and reject Imaan impress me. Sorry, many tv youth shows have done that ..meh. Doesn't matter when you handover the sympathy flag to the ML. Thats just tokenism


I actually really liked that Naz decided that she does not want either of them in her life. My PROBLEM is that they won't show what it means for her, and what it is going to mean for her going forward. Just wait before she finds out that Imaan lied about the divorce thing. That he basically did all this so that she could effectively choose Salim without feeling any kind of guilt. And the spotlight will be on him once again. This is HIS heroic sacrifice. I mean, look at Shaira's reaction already! I am not really sure I am here for that. Where is Naz's role in all of this?


On a broader note, this trend has to stop. This writing of female characters that gives them no agency, no meaning to their thoughts and actions that do not exist solely for the benefit of the male characters, has to stop. Surely, it is time to look at what we are creating and how we are creating?


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Posted: 7 years ago
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@lovetolaugh- I cannot appreciate your comment enough.
It's super annoying when you sell the show in the name of female characters but ultimately they are there to serve the male characters. It needs to be stopped. You can dress the show in any different way but basic template remains the same. This needs to end . Now.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I dont know what I feel about the show right now. It had an interesting premise but it has become so predictable now. That divorce drama was so so predictable. the 3rd angle in Sartaj life is again done and dusted with.
To be frank I am losing the enthu of watching the show and if it doesnt pick up pace in the upcoming episodes I might as well tell goodbye.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Pinjre se udhke bhi yeh zindagi kaid hai hawaon main. That's how even the show is. They started well raw plots and eventually even they just got caught up with trying to facilitate the show as per the standards of what an average soap would be. Naaz's story the promo plot was perhaps the best ever to be shown on tv with a real conflict and no unnecessary factors associated to it just her own conflict the struggle to let go or hold on to her comfort zone. But now its all the same old done and dusted stuff left. Like you rightly pointed out her not choosing any of the men just doesn't make an impact anymore the whole premise behind it beats the whole purpose.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Lookie look who's here ---- welcome aboard CG -- good to see some familiar faces from BBKD forum ---- *😃*
Very valid criticism actually ---- I loved how the show kicked off ---- it was about 4 individuals & how they would come to settle in their respective lives ---- not sure if they sold the show off on the *female leads* since for me it was sold on all 4 -- *going by the initial promos* --- !!!!!!
So I was alright with the way they were handling their storylines until the cheating angle of *Imam* --- it was way too unnecessary ---- I would loved if they continued to explore the *pendulum* angle of Naaz ---- wish her dilemma of choosing between Imam & Salim were the base of their storyline like how it started off ---- so I do agree that her life & her decisions are now the manifestations of Imam's past doing than what was implied initially in the promos & initial episodes --- !!!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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What I don't understand is why another lie. why didn't IMaan read the original letter?
Already he's hurt Naaz and why does everyone wanna hurt her again when the actual truth comes out.

Even Salim is going along with this lie ... again.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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See if he reads the original letter Naaz will forgive him as it was a one time act. Here Mrs Khan played the spoil sport telling Naz had wanted to marry Salim and Salim loves Naz.
Net result Iman told the lie so that Naz is independent. Now Naz doesnt want any man. I would prefer she stays that way
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