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Posted: 7 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Luna99

True. But I think EK made a big mistake by introducing sesha.
She's an ineffective character on the long run.


I think Shesha was introduced as a distraction to keep the audience guessing on who the real Naagin with wanting revenge was. I think few even thought that Shesha will be pursuing revenge and Shivanya will save the family from her. 2 Naagins came as a surprise to the general audience. Later on, they could not figure out what to do with Shesha and they still don't so turned her into Havas ki poojaran. Truthfully I don't see any purpose for her in S3. She barely had one in S1 and S2.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Ekta can't clearly handle the do behenein thing.
It's rashmi sharma's speciality. EK messed up kumkum bhagya and now naagin.
Also indian telly can't handle this thriller thingie.
Ok, every daily soap turns into a suspense thriller and ekta is the queen of cliff hangers. But her decision to introduce sesha was ill-thought. Though I'm watching this show for adaa and she's the star performer, according to me.
The show was fast -paced and a suspense thriller initially. Later it turned into a joke.
Worse than daily soaps.
And about mouni, I really don't have any complaints about her but it's mostly the writing of S2 that can take the blame.
If mouni was to be the face of the franchise, then they should've told us from the very beginning.
Uhm , ok, shivanya married ritik.
But even then, the show never showed us till the end that it will be Mouni Roy's game all along. We always knew it was shivanya-ritik's show.
But then came the disaster know as naagin 2.
And please don't compare with batman.
In batman, different actors play the character of Batman/Bruce Wayne only.
Same with James bond.
Even closer home, anil kapoor played jai singh rathore in 24 with elan. And people even accepted him as the protagonist even though he doesn't deserve to be.
But in S2, he got the script written in such a way that it highlights how awesome he is even in his 60's. And that's when bubble went burst. It definitely showed how despo he is to prove his worthiness and using the opportunity as the producer of the show to do the same. The actor overrode the character. Not at all wanted in tv. This is not bollywood.
And mouni is playing her original character's doppelgangers in the show.
And casting her in the same show in the same role again and again shows that EK is depending on her too much.
Also, definitely mouni really doesn't have the charisma of Christian bale or even ronit roy to pull a show all alone. And ekta with Christopher Nolan? πŸ˜†

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna99

Ekta can't clearly handle the do behenein thing.

It's rashmi sharma's speciality. EK messed up kumkum bhagya and now naagin.
Also indian telly can't handle this thriller thingie.
Ok, every daily soap turns into a suspense thriller and ekta is the queen of cliff hangers. But her decision to introduce sesha was ill-thought. Though I'm watching this show for adaa and she's the star performer, according to me.
The show was fast -paced and a suspense thriller initially. Later it turned into a joke.
Worse than daily soaps.
And about mouni, I really don't have any complaints about her but it's mostly the writing of S2 that can take the blame.
If mouni was to be the face of the franchise, then they should've told us from the very beginning.
Uhm , ok, shivanya married ritik.
But even then, the show never showed us till the end that it will be Mouni Roy's game all along. We always knew it was shivanya-ritik's show.
But then came the disaster know as naagin 2.
And please don't compare with batman.
In batman, different actors play the character of Batman/Bruce Wayne only.
Same with James bond.
Even closer home, anil kapoor played jai singh rathore in 24 with elan. And people even accepted him as the protagonist even though he doesn't deserve to be.
But in S2, he got the script written in such a way that it highlights how awesome he is even in his 60's. And that's when bubble went burst. It definitely showed how despo he is to prove his worthiness and using the opportunity as the producer of the show to do the same. The actor overrode the character. Not at all wanted in tv. This is not bollywood.
And mouni is playing her original character's doppelgangers in the show.
And casting her in the same show in the same role again and again shows that EK is depending on her too much.
Also, definitely mouni really doesn't have the charisma of Christian bale or even ronit roy to pull a show all alone. And ekta with Christopher Nolan? πŸ˜†


We'll have to agree to disagree here about the star performer and Mouni not having the charisma to pull the show alone. If that were true, she would not have been cast as the lead all her career graph and Naagin wouldn't have been so well watched even though the writing sucks. Audience tend to reject a show if the actor cannot pull off the show well. And all actors kind of get type casted in the role they are good at. It happened with Adaa too. She tried the goody two shoes in a few roles but people barely remember those. She is remembered as Amrit though because she really shined in Amrit Manthan as the vamp so she was casted as the same in Naagin1 and Naagin2. I somewhere read your comment about Mouni turning into a real snake if she plays a snake once again. We can say the same about Adaa, that's one of the reasons why I want both of them to say no to S3. Especially Adaa because at least, possibly, Mouni would get to do something new with reincarnation but Adaa will be stuck with the same role she did in S1 and S2.

24 season 2 sucked because the writing did and not because of Anil Kapoor. The man can still act and is in better shape than a few young ones in the indutry..TV and Bollywood.

The Batman example was to make a point about the screenspace and not an comparison of the actors talent or charisma. OK in simpler terms, complaning about Mouni's screenspace as the protagonist is like complaining about Stephen Amells in Arrow or Sarah Michelle Gellar in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Also the reason Batman series have different Batman is because of the contracts and the actors age which is a factor during stunts.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: slippery_chilka


We'll have to agree to disagree here about the star performer and Mouni not having the charisma to pull the show alone. If that were true, she would not have been cast as the lead all her career graph and Naagin wouldn't have been so well watched even though the writing sucks. Audience tend to reject a show if the actor cannot pull off the show well. And all actors kind of get type casted in the role they are good at. It happened with Adaa too. She tried the goody two shoes in a few roles but people barely remember those. She is remembered as Amrit though because she really shined in Amrit Manthan as the vamp so she was casted as the same in Naagin1 and Naagin2. I somewhere read your comment about Mouni turning into a real snake if she plays a snake once again. We can say the same about Adaa, that's one of the reasons why I want both of them to say no to S3. Especially Adaa because at least, possibly, Mouni would get to do something new with reincarnation but Adaa will be stuck with the same role she did in S1 and S2.

24 season 2 sucked because the writing did and not because of Anil Kapoor. The man can still act and is in better shape than a few young ones in the indutry..TV and Bollywood.

The Batman example was to make a point about the screenspace and not an comparison of the actors talent or charisma. OK in simpler terms, complaning about Mouni's screenspace as the protagonist is like complaining about Stephen Amells in Arrow or Sarah Michelle Gellar in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Also the reason Batman series have different Batman is because of the contracts and the actors age which is a factor during stunts.

You haven't understood the thing I wanted to say.
Yes, mouni has worked as leads...But the common thing I have noticed in her career graph is that her other shows are male oriented. Be it dkdm or junoon, she never had much to do.
I can say, nobody played sati better than her.
But was the serial focused on her? No.
Even in her debut work kyunki saas bhi kabhi bahu thi,
She never had much to do.
And the reason people watch Naagin? That's coz they nothing to do and also they hope the plotline might be different from S1.
I had already read an opinion over here that S2 was more about mouni exposure so they're losing on trps.
And I clearly realised it in the Saturday episode. Naagin's nothing without yamini and sesha.
Maybe if arjun or kingshuk had been there, it would've been enjoyable.
But yeah, you've to admit shivangi is boring.
And that snake thing, yeah, it was simply a metaphor.
Like after working in cid for 20 yrs, everybody thinks daya, abhijeet and acp are real cops.
Like that , superstitious people will think that if actresses on tv can change into snakes, then our bahu also can.
Also, when india will finally move towards progressive tv shows, PH won't dare to cast actresses who have made their names by playing a wishful snake in an extremely regressive supernatural show in the fear of backlash.(Naagin is a butt of joke anyways)
So they've to live all throughout their lives being known as snakes.
And no talk about sudha chandran. Her reputation is beyond repair. She'll be stepson killer. Always.
And finally, mouni is a GOOD actress, but she definitely lacks charisma in comparison with smriti irani, sakshi tanwar, shweta tiwari.
Also girls in tv gets typecast easily.
So, I think both adaa and mouni should reject Naagin 3.
PS: you should go to 24 S2 forum and read a post called Paisa=hero to understand my pov.
Sonam kapoor's dad butchered many characters to be the boss and some people don't even want his character to comeback.
Note:all are my opinion. Don't get offended



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna99

You haven't understood the thing I wanted to say.
Yes, mouni has worked as leads...But the common thing I have noticed in her career graph is that her other shows are male oriented. Be it dkdm or junoon, she never had much to do.
I can say, nobody played sati better than her.
But was the serial focused on her? No.
Even in her debut work kyunki saas bhi kabhi bahu thi,
She never had much to do.
And the reason people watch Naagin? That's coz they nothing to do and also they hope the plotline might be different from S1.
I had already read an opinion over here that S2 was more about mouni exposure so they're losing on trps.
And I clearly realised it in the Saturday episode. Naagin's nothing without yamini and sesha.
Maybe if arjun or kingshuk had been there, it would've been enjoyable.
But yeah, you've to admit shivangi is boring.
And that snake thing, yeah, it was simply a metaphor.
Like after working in cid for 20 yrs, everybody thinks daya, abhijeet and acp are real cops.
Like that , superstitious people will think that if actresses on tv can change into snakes, then our bahu also can.
Also, when india will finally move towards progressive tv shows, PH won't dare to cast actresses who have made their names by playing a wishful snake in an extremely regressive supernatural show in the fear of backlash.(Naagin is a butt of joke anyways)
So they've to live all throughout their lives being known as snakes.
And no talk about sudha chandran. Her reputation is beyond repair. She'll be stepson killer. Always.
And finally, mouni is a GOOD actress, but she definitely lacks charisma in comparison with smriti irani, sakshi tanwar, shweta tiwari.
Also girls in tv gets typecast easily.
So, I think both adaa and mouni should reject Naagin 3.
PS: you should go to 24 S2 forum and read a post called Paisa=hero to understand my pov.
Sonam kapoor's dad butchered many characters to be the boss and some people don't even want his character to comeback.
Note:all are my opinion. Don't get offended




Nah, I'm not offended. Like I said everyone has their own opinion. You don't think Mouni has the charisma, it's fine. I don't feel the same way. Lets agree to disagree. 😊 BTW Junoon was about the ML and FLs tashan turning into love so I don't think it categorises as male oriented.

Oh and I agree with you 100% about Shivangi being boring and a disaster of a character. Nothing she does makes sense to me. I mean the idiot agreed to marry Rocky in 3 days flat. What kind of a moron does that in this time and age? Not too mention her decision making and plans need some thinking through.

Not just girls..every actor and actress get type casted. It's the norm.
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Originally posted by: slippery_chilka


Nah, I'm not offended. Like I said everyone has their own opinion. You don't think Mouni has the charisma, it's fine. I don't feel the same way. Lets agree to disagree. 😊 BTW Junoon was about the ML and FLs tashan turning into love so I don't think it categorises as male oriented.

Oh and I agree with you 100% about Shivangi being boring and a disaster of a character. Nothing she does makes sense to me. I mean the idiot agreed to marry Rocky in 3 days flat. What kind of a moron does that in this time and age? Not too mention her decision making and plans need some thinking through.

Not just girls..every actor and actress get type casted. It's the norm.

I agree with you completely except the last point.
Rajat tokas is the biggest example of being typecast.
But it's mostly girls that suffer the brunt.
Once a girl, does a negative role , she becomes a VAMP. She can't improve from there on.
But there ARE actors like krip suri who rocked the negative role as rahukaal and then did the male lead in kalash.
Ok his role over there was grey-shaded too.
And I wanna say mouni roy is definitely charismatic, but the script is boring .
Till the show was about a beautiful Naagin taking revenge on her parent's murderers and protecting the naagmani, it was pretty fine.
But the moment the show became more ambitious and from a supernatural family drama with some erotica , it became a global level superhero show with naagmani being the meaning to everything on this earth, it went haywire.
Writers could not clearly keep track of the mission impossible type approach they took in the 2nd season.And also since they didn't have the budget and had to keep all their shooting within one studio with green screen. So it kept switching back and forth from family drama and stupid action thriller and ended up going nowhere.
Mouni roy can definitely pull off an Emily vancamp who married her enemies' son but definitely she can't pull of a flash or batman. She doesn't have the charisma to do a superhero role.

Shivanya was Emily from revenge, maybe a bit stupid.
But shivangi is a bad attempt at creating a female james bond type character, but the writers totally failed.
That's why I said mouni roy doesn't have that kind of charisma .
She can't do a james bond.
And shivangi is james bond of all snakesπŸ˜ƒ
Actually, mouni as shivanya was 1000 times more convincing as Naagin. Adaa is an versatile actress and does negative roles well, but she never convinced me as a good Naagin anyways.
But I love sesha as a character.
Note: my opinion. Please don't take offense
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I Like RS's Shows Far Better Then Ekat's.
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Originally posted by: Luna99

I agree with you completely except the last point.
Rajat tokas is the biggest example of being typecast.
But it's mostly girls that suffer the brunt.
Once a girl, does a negative role , she becomes a VAMP. She can't improve from there on.
But there ARE actors like krip suri who rocked the negative role as rahukaal and then did the male lead in kalash.
Ok his role over there was grey-shaded too.
And I wanna say mouni roy is definitely charismatic, but the script is boring .
Till the show was about a beautiful Naagin taking revenge on her parent's murderers and protecting the naagmani, it was pretty fine.
But the moment the show became more ambitious and from a supernatural family drama with some erotica , it became a global level superhero show with naagmani being the meaning to everything on this earth, it went haywire.
Writers could not clearly keep track of the mission impossible type approach they took in the 2nd season.And also since they didn't have the budget and had to keep all their shooting within one studio with green screen. So it kept switching back and forth from family drama and stupid action thriller and ended up going nowhere.
Mouni roy can definitely pull off an Emily vancamp who married her enemies' son but definitely she can't pull of a flash or batman. She doesn't have the charisma to do a superhero role.

Shivanya was Emily from revenge, maybe a bit stupid.
But shivangi is a bad attempt at creating a female james bond type character, but the writers totally failed.
That's why I said mouni roy doesn't have that kind of charisma .
She can't do a james bond.
And shivangi is james bond of all snakesπŸ˜ƒ
Actually, mouni as shivanya was 1000 times more convincing as Naagin. Adaa is an versatile actress and does negative roles well, but she never convinced me as a good Naagin anyways.
But I love sesha as a character.
Note: my opinion. Please don't take offense


Um, I am truly sorry but you yourself are contradicting your own points and the discussion no longer makes sense to me. πŸ˜† For example Mouni is not charismatic; but is; but is not.
And when I gave an example of Buffy, Batman and Arrow, I in no way compared Naagin with a superhero. Naagins are motivated by pure personal revenge. They are not Vigilantes fighting crime for the greater good. The reason I mentioned the superheroes was for making a point about SCREENSPACE and because these are the shows and movies I watch; not to compare the charisma of the actors and wonder if Mouni can play a superhero. That actually made me chuckle a bit because actors and actresses can play anything if cast as them. Charisma has nothing to do with it. Its talent to convince the audience that they are what they play. And judging by the audiences reaction Mouni has convinced the audience pretty well of her talent as an actress which contradicts your point of she not being able to pull it off. And unless she tries playing a superhero we cannot judge and assume she will fail. Like Schrodingers cat in a box, you don't know if the cat is alive or dead unless you open the box. Also I disagree that the writers tried to make Shivangi into female James bond. The comparison is ridiculous when we measure the characters and their skillset. Not to mention the genres are different too. Also again Schrodingers cat on whether Mouni can play female James bond or not. FOR EXAMPLE: Batman series fans were against Ben Affleck playing Batman but he surprised everyone by how good he was when they saw the movie. You cannot judge an actor/actresses on your prejudices before seeing them playing the said role. BTW this was just an example and in no way am I saying that Mouni can play Batman or the Flash or the Iron man.πŸ˜†

BTW I think the writers managed to juggle the romance, revenge and supernatural quite well in S1 but failed miserably in S2.
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I'm definitely not CONTRADICTING myself is saying that mouni is not charismatic and at the same time is charismatic.
You can be charismatic in one role and dull in one.
She's pretty enough to attract viewers .
But I don't think she's the only reason of watching naagin.
May be for male viewers, yes, but I haven't come across a single female viewer in person who is a mouni fan ONLY.
People mostly watch coz of the loud ott drama, yamini's nakhra and sesha's villainous behaviour.
I think mouni is definitely NOT the biggest reason of watching this show.
She plays the part of a serpent maiden well, but if you talk about playing a woman hell bent on taking revenge, then I don't think she's playing that role to T.
I think you should see ek hasina thi starring sanjeeda sheikh.
Now, I was really hopeful of this serial because mouni has played sati perfectly.
But then came the 1st glitch. They introduced a red herring called sesha. Since they had decided to make sesha the negative naagin, her character received the proper shades of grey that a revengeful woman.
But shivanya was always poised to be the pious bahu who would save the family from a snake. Quite similar to the a south indian serial running nowadays called nandini.
But then, the revelation of shivanya as the real revenge-wali naagin shocked the viewers and cemented her position as the main protagonist.
But I never found her motivated for revenge. It was basically sesha forcing shivanya to avenge her parents.
Now,probably the writers intended to write the character like that.But I personally never found her interested in taking revenge that much. She was MORE concerned about her growing love for ritik . She was simply avenging her parents and saving the naagmani coz it was the duty of all naagins. Or may I say, in any tv serial, naagins avenge their parents, so shivanya was also following the same path.
I don't know you've watched it or not, sayantani ghosh's performance in Naagin:waadon ki agnipariksha was a way lot better.She both had the aggression of a woman hell bent on taking revenge and the poise of a seductress.
My grandmom was a big fan of that serial.
Sayantani also portrayed the woman who was torn between her love and revenge quite nicely.
But both I and my grandmom could never relate with shivanya's revenge. Shivanya definitely had the reason, but she was lacking the motivation and aggression . Sesha was the one who was aggressive and motivated shivanya to take the revenge. I remember she was the one to make the plans.
Now , sesha had her own motif and her aggression was rather uncontrolled. Not to mention that adaa did not play the role of an woman who could make ritik fall in love with her coy charm very well.
But,even without reason , it was easier to relate with sesha.
But then came S2. The writers refused to believe that arjun played a MAJOR role in propelling the serial to great heights. Now , they had got rid of arjun. They should've got rid of mouni too. No , they kept her.
Now, shivangi was the Naagin who IS really determined to take revenge for her parents' death as she witnessed that in front of her eyes.She even suspected rocky and felt guilty only when rocky was given a clean chit.
Ok, shivanya too suspected ritik but she always thought ritik can't do this, ritik can't do that.
But shivangi was this aggressive and determined lady with somewhat grayer shades to her character, but not too much to alienate the trp aunties.
There comes the 2nd glitch.
Mouni can't really do aggressive roles very well.
I've seen her in dkdm and a few parts of junoon, she does romantic roles, pretty girl role, damsel-in-distress roles very well, but as a solo aggressive girl, no sorry. I feel a bit off. Even in naagin S1 as shivanya, I always felt that She lacked aggression, but otherwise, it was ok as she did the romance parts very well and her emotions about losing her parents and being divided with her love for ritik and avenging her parents was spot on . It was definitely relatable. But she definitely lacked the determination to take revenge.But mouni made up for it with her emotional capabilities.
But for shivangi, revenge takes more precedence than love or emotions.
Sorry, but I can't relate with shivangi anymore.
Maybe, if the role had been written a little bit nicely, mouni would've performed better.
But since that's theoretical , it would've better been to get another actress to play shivangi.

That's why I said naagin S2 has mouni overdose. Shivangi is the protagonist, so SHE will get screenspace.
But overall in the show, it looks like mouni roy is taking precedence over The characters. People watch the show mostly for the story and characters.
If it would've been rivanya reincarnation, then it would've made sense that mouni is retained.
But for playing a different character and that too which is not quite close to the actor's capabilities, they should take another actor.
That's why many viewers left naagin S2 midway. Now, since sudha maam and adaa are playing their old characters, they HAVE relatibility even after having their characters butchered beyond recognition.
Maybe, colors is playing extremely safe and retaining mouni roy the trps ,but since they already replaced ritik, they should've got another actress to play shivangi.I believe then the trps would've been higher.
Ek tha raja ek thi rani and tu suraj main saanjh piyaji got a completely new couple to run the story and it didn't affect the trps MUCH.
I wanna say that whatever fans mouni have, she has it coz she played shivanya well. Many of them aren't even following shivangi nowadays.
Now do we compare mouni with surbhi jyoti? No.
Both of them have their own charm. But that doesn't mean mouni will be able to play her own doppelgangers in one show.
Even qubool hai dragged after kvb left.
But, Naagin started dragging in latter parts of S1 itself.
Ps: zee tv Naagin was way better in terms of acting and story line.
This one has better romance and presentation. And EK's writers can't write thrillers nicely. Beginning was pretty nice, but they messed up later.


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Contradicting yourself was not just about Mouni. That was just an example. You also said you disagreed that even males face being type casted and then gave a male example of Rajat Tokas. Anyway, I agree with you about Shivangi part and disagree with the Mouni and Shesha part. Unless we have statistics we really can't say if Mouni has failed as Shivangi or not. I just see it as a writing failure because even Shesha and Yamini are at their worse. That doesnot mean the actors are not giving their best..the writing just sucks. I do agree that one of the reasons why S1 was such a huge hit was because of Rivanya and Arni. That chemistry and love is missing in S2.
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